We do know why. They are back together so she's no longer giving evidence against him. It's very difficult to secure a conviction if the victim is playing happy families with the alleged abuser.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Sensible and the right approach.
Not referring to that. As plenty of posters have mentioned, there are other unknowns in play like how sponsors / teammates / the women's team would react, as well as level of interest from other clubs.
If the question is "do you want him back?", then how those complexities play out will obviously influence my answer.
That was utterly bizarre.
His partners own Father has also supported him during for some reason too, it's a bit more complex a situation than some people want to admit
I voted yes.
Ive been consistent that If he not convicted he should be reinstated as thats what I would expect to happen to anyone else.
The police and CPS took an age to find anyway to get evidence against him so the fact that it didnt even merit going to trial showed that they didnt have anything despite the media hysteria.
Some of the over the top reactions on here calling people who voted yes sickos etc is beyond belief.
Its ironic that the people who act claim the most morals seem to be the most hate filled.
Ive been consistent that If he not convicted he should be reinstated as thats what I would expect to happen to anyone else.
The police and CPS took an age to find anyway to get evidence against him so the fact that it didnt even merit going to trial showed that they didnt have anything despite the media hysteria.
Some of the over the top reactions on here calling people who voted yes sickos etc is beyond belief.
Its ironic that the people who act claim the most morals seem to be the most hate filled.
It doesn’t work like that in UK.
Charges were dropped by the Police themselves because of new evidence. This is officially what was stated, legally.
But then you’re just sitting on the fence. Stand by your own convictions
Imo, it's fairly simple. Greenwood, was it you on that audio threatening to beat a woman if she doesn't open her legs? If yes, sack him. If not, let him stay.
I agree, yes/no is too black and white
@Raoul is there a quick feature to put 45.8% of Redcafe posters on the Ignore list?
If you would have done something bad you's probably want a second chance as well and prove you made a big mistake.
Problem is the charges were dropped so he might think he didn't set a foot wrong.
Problem is the charges were dropped so he might think he didn't set a foot wrong.
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What’s all this with a potential interview? It’s not a TV show. If he comes back it will be low profile, just a brief statement from the club, no interviews for a long time, etc.
Maybe the whole situation will be a lesson for him and he will change for the better, at least I hope he does.
I am no expert in this matter and I don't know how these people act, react or develop, I'm just thinking it from the footballing point of view from which we really need his talent.
I think a complicating factor for Untied would be how to "bring him back into the fold". It would probably require an extraordinary campaign involving something resembling a public apology (probably with his partner alongside him), followed by a very gradual and protracted program of training with reserves so that the entire narrative of him returning gradually dissolves, at which point he would probably get a few minutes off the bench in a home game. Much would of course also depend on the reaction of the match going fan base over time.
It's not a question of 'cancel culture', there are mitigating circumstances, and frankly we still don't know enough.
In any case, he would have to work extremely hard on his behaviour if the club decided to keep him.
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I definitely don’t want him at the club. But just imagine reading RAWK if he stays and gets a winner at Anfield and then pretends to choke Anthony in celebration. Would almost be worth it just for that.
I’m not conflicted enough to doubt where I stand on this.
He is a footballer and should continue working. My only issue is whether he is talented enough to be our player. If he is good enough we keep him, if not get rid because he is already displayed behavioural flaws not worthy of the hassle.
He is a footballer and should continue working. My only issue is whether he is talented enough to be our player. If he is good enough we keep him, if not get rid because he is already displayed behavioural flaws not worthy of the hassle.
I'm a bit shocked how close the vote is, I definitely wouldn't be comfortable at all with him wearing a United shirt again.
I don't think it will matter anyway, even if the club decide to give it a go I think there will be problems raised from the squad, coaching staff and woman's team, never mind the sponsors.
I don't think it will matter anyway, even if the club decide to give it a go I think there will be problems raised from the squad, coaching staff and woman's team, never mind the sponsors.
Your priorities are wrong.
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Depends how close "almost" is to "never want that to happen my god is that the worst most stupid scenario of all time".
I get that. There is a high bar in criminal cases for rape, hence the low conviction rate. I can see why she withdrew support: she was under pressure from her own family who were defending Mason (imo, for cynical reasons).
The audio and images were enough for me to decide.
Taking the morals aside for a second, his development would have been stunted, he probably will not reach the heights we expected before all of this.
Now, taking everything into consideration, I don't see the point, I don't want him near the club and even if the club decided it, what would be the outcome? A shit ton of controversy, maybe sponsors getting anxious for a player who won't be as good anymore.
Now, taking everything into consideration, I don't see the point, I don't want him near the club and even if the club decided it, what would be the outcome? A shit ton of controversy, maybe sponsors getting anxious for a player who won't be as good anymore.
That poll is depressing to say the least. 45% voted yes fecking hell.
I voted no
We haven’t heard any remorse of any kind by him as yet. Second chances should come with the understanding of what you’ve done wrong.
I feel it’s not the last time we will hear something about this couple
even if he hadn’t been convicted I don’t see how he can continue to play in British football? He’d get grief at every ground.
if they want to kick the can down the road get him a loan abroad. After all he hasnt kicked a ball in nearly 2 years so he’s not going to waltz back in and score 20 goals like
We haven’t heard any remorse of any kind by him as yet. Second chances should come with the understanding of what you’ve done wrong.
I feel it’s not the last time we will hear something about this couple
even if he hadn’t been convicted I don’t see how he can continue to play in British football? He’d get grief at every ground.
if they want to kick the can down the road get him a loan abroad. After all he hasnt kicked a ball in nearly 2 years so he’s not going to waltz back in and score 20 goals like
The police dropping charges isn't a excuse for us to turn off our brains, it doesn't mean nothing happened.
New evidence didn't cause the police to drop the charges. We've all heard the audios (or have we ?), what more do people need ?
It's this statement you are referring to yeah?
I'm not taking issue, I just want to check there isn't a different one I'm unaware of.
Jesus Christ.
I'm 99% sure he is being advised by his legal team as well as the club's, and they are telling him to keep a low profile while they're still investigating.
I voted yes because it's a forum and I love to go on the wind up. I also don't really care, it's gossip column.
I'd be very interested (and almost certainly entirely unsurprised) to see how these results break down by gender.
United have (quite rightly) been making a big deal about the impressive performances of its womens' team since its inception; to my mind, welcoming back Mason Greenwood would absolutely fly in the face of that.
United have (quite rightly) been making a big deal about the impressive performances of its womens' team since its inception; to my mind, welcoming back Mason Greenwood would absolutely fly in the face of that.
We don't know though. We know key witnesses refused to cooperate and we can assume one of them was her but we don't know of there were others nor do we know what new material came to light.
We have a short audio clip. The new material could have been additional audio, video or something else altogether. We just don't know.
I agree. Think we need some more context here.
the human species is fecked up. These people actually exist.That makes no sense. Yes I want him back no matter what and yes I want him back if the club have done a thorough investigation and deemed it right that he comes back are 2 different stances. I should not have to tell you that and I'm sure you know it.
She wasn’t ‘under pressure’ to drop charges, she didn’t bring them to light in the first place. The whole thing stinks of a good-willed confidant leaking the audio & images on behalf of her but from day one, rightly or wrongly, she has been with him.
The police brought charges on behalf of a victim, the little evidence we have is that she didn’t want to cooperate. The victim has been through enough without people claiming things like she was put under pressure to drop charges she didn’t actually make.
I think it’s not related at all
This.
Not only was it investigated extensively, when the case was dropped the police statement said "new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction". We do not yet know what this "new material" is so let's wait and see if more information is made public before we sharpen our pitchforks and belittle any poster who voted 'Yes' on the poll.
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