Lucky old DeaGea.
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Yeah. For some reason I don’t remember much about Henderson only that he made some howlers and is a gobshite. I think I never took him seriously.
What’s he like with ball at feet?
I honestly don't think we need to spend a significant amount of money this season to even upgrade on ddg. We could easily bring in one that could be transitional but still allow us to play the way Eth wants
I really don’t understand why your club has such a hard time improving. You keep doing the same and try absolutely nothing new and yet you still don’t manage to find success.
Don't know, but for us to renew De Gea at 200k over 2-3 years could mean splashing out 30-40 million on wages. It's criminal to think that is what bcould happen. We need to let him go and get our wage structure properly in place and stop rewarding players that are clearly not good enough. De Gea has taken nearly 100 million in the last 5 years with his lucrative contract and that was pure madness for an underperforming 'elite' player. Some cop on is badly needed with our board.
He makes the odd top save but that goes for any keeper. The difference is that during his peak he was a net positive for us. For example, any reluctance he showed in coming for a cross was off-set by several world class saves that on average won us the points. His shot stopping now is at an average level rather than super- human, while his weaknesses are still as pronounced as ever. Therefore what we are left with is a below average Premier League goalkeeper. I'm happy to agree to disagree on him not being scared of physical contact.
Agree on this being a major weakness of his. One of several though and we have blindly allowed this to continue for years on end.
We have several issues. We've been inept with our spending the last ten or so years.
On top of that we seemingly can't negotiate more than one deal at a time and we don't have several targets so if one is too out of bounds we don't move on. We tend to focus on a player for a long period and usually end up overpaying anyway.
Wages is also an issue, given we over pay a lot of them so we have a big squad but not a talented one, and even still we still relied on loans in January to fill up the squad due to a few injuries (we didn't have an injury crisis either)
Schmeichel was basically Neuer (at his best) without the same level of sweeping and passing ability. A supreme all-round keeper that had a significant positive impact on his own team and a negative impact on opposition strikers. He was still better than De Gea at sweeping even back during that period so I expect he'd be fine to increase it further now that it's more encouraged. The actual quality of his passing when bought into the modern game is the one thing I'm really not sure on, but I doubt it'd be any worse than De Gea. His distribution with his throws was also legendary.
So no, I'd say Schmeichel is still closer to the modern ideal of a keeper than De Gea is. Would he reach quite the same level as he did? No, I'm fairly sure the quality of his passing would drop his level a bit, but he was so good at EVERY other aspect of the game I expect he'd still be one of the best in the world. And let's be honest, if he'd grown up in the modern era with that emphasis and training I expect his passing would have improved significantly too.
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Yeah I think I’m in the same place as you now. Let’s release him. I really don’t care what we do instead as long as we’re sensible about it.
How would you guys on here rate the coaching De Gea received through the years? Did the coaches try to improve on his weaknesses or did they allow him to just do what he wants?
That means only one thing, we have given up on playing any good football consistently for another 2 or 3 years.
We'll also likely be looking for a new manager in 2024.
Schmeichel in the modern game would basically be Courtois, and he's doing alright for himself.
They'd have tried but obviously failed
We have at least over the years (mostly unsuccessfully) tried out a bunch of different options (including some failed big money signings) in defence and midfield. This season we have even dropped Maguire, brought in Martinez, had Varane and Shaw in good form, bought Case and are STILL playing one of the deepest defensive lines in the league. And some people still fail to understand why this is the case. Why don’t we for a change also try out something different in terms of our goal keeper position? Yes, it will not change everything, but it will still change a lot.He's noticeably improved on his passing and sweeping this year.
It's like polishing a turd though, the base level is so low that coaching is never going to make it good enough.
If we don't get a CF that scores that'll be happening anyway
Maybe during LVG, they did try to improve him. He got his own coach and friend afterwards under Mourinho which basically meant he spent his peak years doing nothing to be a more well-rounded keeper.
Yeah. We’re only slightly disagreeing I think. The sum of his parts does not add up to a good enough keeper, not for us.
Any optimism is immediately extinguished. We won't get anywhere with him in goal. Why are we so intent on not improving?
May be a controversial take but I don't think it really matters. His deficiencies are so glaring that at this level there's no way to really mask them. Coaching won't help it.
I think his distribution has improved so coaching must be working, but it just highlights how bad he was if he's improved to the current level
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Just remember, we tolerate all the unchallenged crosses, woeful distribution and lack of sweeping because our goalkeeper is so good at stopping shots.
It’s too late for him now. He’s already in the hole.
We’re the worst run big club in football.
Henderson did make about three mistakes to concede goals, but that's really no more than what De Gea has been doing in a similar amount of gametime for five years now. Henderson also had the excuse of being quite young and inexperienced, so you would hope he would have improved in that aspect.
The actual quality of his passing is probably no better than De Gea so he's certainly not ideal. However he's more comfortable at positioning himself to receive passes and at sweeping, plus better at claiming crosses and commanding the defence. I certainly hope for better, but if it's a choice between the two of them I'll take Henderson. His run in the nets is literally the only time in the last five years that we conceded less than a goal a game.
I think how we handle Dave will be a good indicator of what the owners want from the club. If he stays then clearly they're in for top 4 spot, but not really competing for serious against the big boys.
Over the course of the season he is a golden glove winner in the EPL, so that would be logical for the owners that he is good enough for being somewhere around 3rd/4th spot. If the owners want trophies, then there's no chance he should remain first goalkeeper.
Since January I've been arguing that replacing Da Gea is a low hanging fruit. It really isn't that difficult to upgrade on him.
Over the course of the season he is a golden glove winner in the EPL, so that would be logical for the owners that he is good enough for being somewhere around 3rd/4th spot. If the owners want trophies, then there's no chance he should remain first goalkeeper.
Since January I've been arguing that replacing Da Gea is a low hanging fruit. It really isn't that difficult to upgrade on him.
That’s about what I expected. And would explain a lot.
I really don't get it. A goalkeeper was so significant to ETH Ajax build up its surprising to see him not prioritise one
Makes saves no other goalkeeper can though or something.
We will continue to stagnate and have games we are blown away but DDG will remain. A decade of terrible defensive mistakes, multiple centre backs tried and tested, even some world class ones have looked woeful but the main stay of that defence still remains and gets mollycoddled.
De Gea would be the End of Ten Hag at United , with him in goal United are always Vulnerable to hammerings at tough away grounds .
Ten Hag could survive those in his first season but I don't believe he would be so lucky in his second season .
Ten Hag could survive those in his first season but I don't believe he would be so lucky in his second season .
Thanks. I only remember the clangers. I suppose that’s why DDG came back in. Possibly Henderson was unlucky. At this point I’m more than happy to see him get a run.
One thing we have to be a bit careful of is coming to this conclusion that keeper X or Y would have saved this or that shot etc. Keepers make mistakes and one factor is “how many mistakes do they make?” and another is “how do they get affected by their errors?”.
We’ve had keepers who’ve been okay but then start making errors and just can’t get back into form. Not sure if that was starting to happen with Henderson, but it’s easy to look like a good keeper when you’re back-up because you don’t have the cumulative game time and scrutiny to start racking up the errors.
Either way, it’s time for a change.
FECK OFF
My post was based off the recent article that says we are not spending significant amount on a goalkeeper. But yeah prior to the article I was of the opinion we would get someone that can at least displace De Gea
De Gea came back in for two reasons. Firstly because Ole was trying to be nice and letting him be the cup keeper (which likely cost us the Europa League that season), and then at the start of the following season Henderson had a bad case of covid which knocked him around for a few months. By the time he was available again De Gea had actually started that season well (the only time in the last five years where he looked somewhat like his old self), but then despite De Gea's performances dropping right off again he stayed as undisputed #1.
Not 100% certain, but from memory Henderson's mistakes were spread out over his time in goal, rather than all coming together in a clump. Each time he picked himself up and was solid again afterwards.
Judging by his words yesterday he wants to seems like he isn't being allowed to. This has our board written all over it. Less than a week ago he refused to confirm if De Gea was extended if he would be the #1 next season. ETH definitely wants to bring another GK but seems like the board wants to keep De Gea because he's supposedly a club legend, which is only because he's the longest tenured player now.
Pretty much every recent comment that ETH has made on transfers sounded like thinly veiled frustration at the board. Not a good sign.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's protected by the old guard at the club.
Even if it's reducecd by 200k, he'll still be on 175k p/w which is more than any keeper in the PL. He should be on no more than 100k p/w if that but no way he'd drop by nearly 300k.Oh FFS!
These reduced terms better be significantly reduced- 200k less!!!
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