Kieran Maguire thinks it’s 60/40 in favour of INEOS and done by the end of the month.
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This is ostensibly not true. The lack of photos of the guy available in English language searches is not reflective of anything.
I completely agree with the process and procedure and by the way, a board meeting was held last week, but the real and only reason the club has not been sold yet is that no party has met the Glazer’s valuation and this is because all the Glazer Siblings, especially Avram and Joel want an additional payment for future commercial and Merchandising revenue.
They are basically saying to both bidders if you want control of our club then compensate us accordingly, The Forbes Valuation only strengthened their resolve.
Many people thought that they would only receive $32-34 per share to sell but that’s not all they want to cede control. The Glazers want more than just a price per share to relinquish control, they want a premium payment added to compensate them then from future Commercial and merchandising revenue, they also tried to say within the requests that the squad should also be considered even though it’s a short term asset and has nothing to do with their shares since the players are employed by Manchester United PLC and the club still owes huge sums in amortised payments.
Now this could all be a convenient way for the Qatar bid to be leaking information as they finally admit defeat but it makes total sense, here we are June 6th and neither you nor I can tell who will own the club and more importantly listening to KIeran Maguire yesterday nor can the Raine Group or the Glazers!
The structure and semantics of the legal procedure are as you indeed say but even yesterday I heard again from KIeran Maguire that the rumour from the Ineos Camp is to move the club from NYSE to London, once again something that I previously predicted and something the Glazers will not want !
I fear this could go on for a long time my friend and please continue with your sensible assessments, I value your logical tone, too often on this forum fans attack each other when all we want is the same thing.
The Glazers Gone !
Listening to the Talk of the Devils podcast, I got an overwhelming feeling that they expect it to be INEOS who win.
Obviously people will believe the sources that they believe, and that's fine.
Obviously people will believe the sources that they believe, and that's fine.
A wide variety of sources also said Jim was going to be announced as the preferred bidder by the end of the week, about a month ago. A wide variety of sources told us it would likely be done before the summer etc.
Sources have been consistently wrong on this, so I wouldn't trust them to know the exact figures of any offers
I dont think any of them have a line to the Qatar side so by default they will rely on where they get information from and have a skewed opinion.
I heard his interview yesterday and I think right now as things stand that’s the case, the only way SJ wins is a new £6bn bid, the 100% is much cleaner than a put and call offer from SJR and much quicker to complete.
Compare it to the takeover of Chelsea and Newcastle.
I was fully expecting an announcement this week. Like a lot of people I thought that it had been agreed but they were waiting until the season finished in case of fan protests.
If it's not announced shortly then that suggests nothing has been agreed so it's still months away from being completed.
Ineos clearly believe that they are going to win/have won. How much stock you put in that is up to you, but they are very confident.
It is only Tuesday morning... an announcement this week is still very much a possibility!
I'm inclined to think Ineos will win too, because it lets the Glazers stay and pocket some money.
Got all excited when I logged on and saw all those pages to read, see you all tomorrow. Ground hog day again! 
He, like the rest of us, have no idea about the bids, details of the bids or numbers involved.
We are all in the same boat. We know feck all
If he thinks it's only 60/40 then that hints that there's still a long way to go. Announced by the end of the month, possibly? Completed by the end of the month, very unlikely unless a breakthrough is made in the next few days.
What does that prove? That the man in photos is probably real, as there are other photos. Info on such an important figure within Qatar is very scarce.
There was an article recently saying that Qatar wouldn't provide info to journalists about him, even including his date of birth. Which is strange because the info is online in one article I've seen, but why be so secretive?
Seems to be the case
I find the whole thing very hard to read. If things were as advanced with Ineos as some seem to suggest, the Qatar side would know and you'd imagine start some damage control.. but they're very quiet and have been for weeks. They might look a bit silly too having done the final "11th hour bid" which still didn't work. Like going to the airport to stop a girl getting on the plane but they get on it anyway.
I still think there will be a twist or two yet
It sure looks like it's going to be INEOS, though. It would seem they have simply offered more money in the end and have a more solid offer all around. It's just me but I think the Qatari didn't take the process seriously enough and just expected they would win by making grand promises to the fans. But the Glazers don't give a feck about this or the fans. They just look at the money Jassim is preparing for investment and think to themselves why that money doesn't end in their pockets instead?
Ineos won it when they offered to get into bed with the Glazers. Has been trending that way for a long time
We aren't getting rid of the Gazers or their debt. What an exciting new era
We aren't getting rid of the Gazers or their debt. What an exciting new era
That's the vital problem with your analysis
Although your theories are interesting, ultimately it's all based on media speculation which has proven to be mostly bollocks for the majority of this takeover process already
Some of the 'reports' are likely to be true but it will be mixed in with smoke and mirrors from all sides feeding stories into the media for their own personal benefit
If that was the case why isn’t it announced?
This is the part why I can't see Jassim winning,doesn't seem to me like they even think he's genuine so looks game over unfortunately
Why? Because the Journalists don't have ties to him?
If that really was the case, this would have been done and dusted when that was first announced. Don't forget there are 6 Glazers here, not just Joel and Avram. The other 4 might want a full sale and their money right away, whereas the other 2 want to hold on just incase they can get more later down the line.
There has to be a compromise between all 6 Glazers i'd imagine. And with INEOS wanting to keep all 6 on board as has been reported, it's very likely that the 4 who want out are resisting that as much as possible. Plus as has been said, there is very very little links to the Qatar side, so we have no real idea whats going on there. I imagine the links to INEOS are quite a bit easier to establish, and of course any source for them are going to paint things in a very positive light whilst not breaking the NDA
Him keeping all 6 has definitely lost me already
Not what you want to hear?!
I think him wanting to keep all 6 is probably going agaisnt what the Glazers want too. The 2 main leeches will likely want the others gone as it could be more for them in the future if the value increases nearer the mandatory buy out, the other 4 will likely want to go straight away as they want the money upfront as it's guaranteed.
Offering the Glazers to stay with a mandatory buyout in the future is just asking for trouble and not something i can see the 4 wanting out now agreeing too
Not sure it's a case of that, i think it's a case of journos have more of a link to INEOS and of course, without breaking NDA, INEOS will be painting the situation in a very positive light for themselvesNot what you want to hear?!
Yeah well done you got what you wanted,perhaps now you will finally see why many people didn't want Ratcliffe to win. Don't say we didn't try to warn you how bad his ownership is gonna be.Not what you want to hear?!
They might as well announce now and we can accept that we still have failed to get rid of these leeches. The 18 year agony continues for this club unfortunately
Or unless it’s done bcd.
Part of me would respect the Glazers if they waited until City's treble to announce the sale - completely overshadow their tainted victory.
But there are also journos connected to Qatar. Keegan, for one. He was very active for a while, but has completely gone silent now.
Can’t be worse than being a state owned sportwashing play thing.
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Isn’t this guy that bloke from Another Level and that crap song with Beckham missus?
He is not considered part of the Royal family, specially after his dad was removed from the state 10 years ago.
…INEOS, you're out of your mind
Avram, you're out of your mind
Lil Joel, you're out of your mind
Jim, you're out of your mind
…This Sheikh’s gonna punish you
Never seen the clips of that song.
Not sure why you're talking as if its INEOS who's insisting (wanting) on keeping all 6. It doesn't matter what INEOS or SJ wants. I'm sure both of them wouldn't want Glazers involved in any form whatsoever given the PR nightmare it brings. But the thing is all that matters is what the Glazers want. Therein lies the problem. All of the Glazers seems to dithering between wanting to sell vs wanting to stay in a minority role; 2 of them more leaning towards staying and 4 more towards selling. Based on that, it seems INEOS are working on various structures to appease all 6.
So how does keeping all 6 on cater for and appeal to the 4 who want to sell and be done with the ownership?
Not sure how that works to be totally honest. The only ones it benefits are Joel and Avram, thats pretty much about it
This is the trap that I said SJR would set which is why it’s not signed yet, they don’t really fancy someone else calling the shots whilst they are in the background waiting for shares to go up in value.
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