Orkun Kokcu

Euro's. so 35-40 million pounds or something?
Your RB, Geertruida also looks a very interesting prospect. He did superbly well against Roma in a inverted RB role and provided defensive security in defensive transition along with being very secure in possession. And on top of all that, he's physically and athletically gifted, which also helps.
 
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Had the most touches and made most passes of all players with a completion percentage of 87%. Also lost possession 21 times, almost twice as much as any other Feyenoord player. Attempted 2 tackles, both unsuccessful, won 2 of his 8 ground duels, attempted 4 dribbles, only one being successful. I don't think he was that impressive and the numbers paint a similar picture. In general, if we are looking for a reliable passer that offers and enhances our control in terms of possession, I am not convinced it is him.

No doubt he is a good player, but the amount of times he loses possession compared to other players in that regard is worrying. Maybe, if we were to sign him, his role would change and he wouldn't need to be as creative, since he'd probably play alongside Bruno. Then again, he might just be that type of player and similar to Pogba, we'd shoehorn him into a role that isn't his.

Interesting. So what about his long range shooting, is it consistent or rarity? I've seen his goals, most from outside of the box in highlights video.

Does he attempts to shoot a lot in a game, on average?
 
Thats too much. He is not worth that yet.
Well, you're a club that's paid 85 million for Antony, 80 million for Maguire and 40 million for Donny vd Beek so worth it is a bit relative here :p

If we want to make the next step as a club we have to stop selling our players for peanuts. Hell, PSV got 45 million for fecking Noni Madueke who is healthy about 4 games a season.
 
Your RB, Geertruida also looks a very interesting prospect. He did superbly well against Roma in a inverted RB role and provided defensive security in defensive transition along with being very secure in possesion. And on top of all that, he's physically and athletically gifted, which also helps.
Yeah Geertruida has developed tremendously and finally got his much deserved cap. He's a RB, CB hybrid, but he's also played as a DM quite often. On top of that he scores quite a lot of important goals for us. The winner in Amsterdam being the latest example.
 
Well, you're a club that's paid 85 million for Antony, 80 million for Maguire and 40 million for Donny vd Beek so worth it is a bit relative here :p

If we want to make the next step as a club we have to stop selling our players for peanuts. Hell, PSV got 45 million for fecking Noni Madueke who is healthy about 4 games a season.
Well, we dont have to be donkeys every transfer.
 
Interesting. So what about his long range shooting, is it consistent or rarity? I've seen his goals, most from outside of the box in highlights video.

Does he attempts to shoot a lot in a game, on average?

He's in the top 2% in terms of shots and shots on target for all midfielders (compared to other players from men's next 8 competitions that aren't the top 5 leagues, according to fbref). I don't think you can say anything negative about his goal threat or him as a creator.
 
Spurs linked with him because Arne Slot is a rumored candidate for head coach position. We should hijack the deal and get Kokcu for cheap.
 
Spurs linked with him because Arne Slot is a rumored candidate for head coach position. We should hijack the deal and get Kokcu for cheap.

Maybe Kane will actually happen. Slot could get say 80M from us to spend and buy Kokcu as a #10 and a decent young #9 with the money, then their summer spending budget covering the left-side of defence and keeper they need.

Son---------------Richarlison---------Kulusevski
-------------------------Kokcu-----------------------
--Bissouma/Hojberg-Bentancur-
LB---------------LCB-----Romero--------Porro
---------------------------GK----------------------------

feels like a plausible summer even if it is a lot of moves, with Lo Celso and Kane bringing back big fees and a new manager in. A lot more balanced than the current side. at least.
 
Seriously? Someone spare a thought for @KirkDuyt...
I would love Kokcu to go to United. I actually think he might make it too. He has developed an insane amount this season and I trust Ten Hag to utilize him well. Not saying he'd be a strong first eleven player right away, but he could develop into a great asset I'm sure. He's leaving this summer anyway, so might as well go here.

United can have him for cheap, let's say the same amount they bought Donny for, 45 million was it?
 
I would love Kokcu to go to United. I actually think he might make it too. He has developed an insane amount this season and I trust Ten Hag to utilize him well. Not saying he'd be a strong first eleven player right away, but he could develop into a great asset I'm sure. He's leaving this summer anyway, so might as well go here.

United can have him for cheap, let's say the same amount they bought Donny for, 45 million was it?

What kind of midfielder is he and would he be able to work in midfield 2 with Casemiro .
 
What kind of midfielder is he and would he be able to work in midfield 2 with Casemiro .
He's an 8, but for us he's also a playmaker who picks the ball up from the defense and moves it forward. At Feyenoord he's also usually the one to give the decisive pass or dribble into the opponents half. This season he's started scoring and assisting more to really complete his game. I think he can't fill that same all round role yet in the premier league since the tempo is so much higher, but if he develops a few more years I think he could be fantastic. I'd say his biggest strengths are his incisive passing through the lines, rushes forward and endless workrate and his weakness that he's a bit hot tempered and can lose his head a bit sometimes, but he's still young. A common point of criticism here is his amount of turn overs which is high for a playmaker, but that's because of the reason mentioned above that he's also our most important passer in the final third.

In the end though, the step to the Premier League has proven to be huge and I think he might actually be better served by taking the Wijnaldum approach of going to a lower premiership club and acclimatizing there before taking the plunge to the top.
 
He's an 8, but for us he's also a playmaker who picks the ball up from the defense and moves it forward. At Feyenoord he's also usually the one to give the decisive pass or dribble into the opponents half. This season he's started scoring and assisting more to really complete his game. I think he can't fill that same all round role yet in the premier league since the tempo is so much higher, but if he develops a few more years I think he could be fantastic. I'd say his biggest strengths are his incisive passing through the lines, rushes forward and endless workrate and his weakness that he's a bit hot tempered and can lose his head a bit sometimes, but he's still young. A common point of criticism here is his amount of turn overs which is high for a playmaker, but that's because of the reason mentioned above that he's also our most important passer in the final third.

In the end though, the step to the Premier League has proven to be huge and I think he might actually be better served by taking the Wijnaldum approach of going to a lower premiership club and acclimatizing there before taking the plunge to the top.
Thanks for the detailed reply , hopefully we are keeping an eye on him for future .
 
What sort of midfield profile?
Haven't watched him that much, but from reading he seems like a complete midfielder who is a playmaker with great passing skills, good at progressing the ball and against pressure, hardworking and also defensively decent. So basically he ticks all those boxes. He has had amazing stats this season and led his team to the title. Ideal FDJ alternative.
 
I would love Kokcu to go to United. I actually think he might make it too. He has developed an insane amount this season and I trust Ten Hag to utilize him well. Not saying he'd be a strong first eleven player right away, but he could develop into a great asset I'm sure. He's leaving this summer anyway, so might as well go here.

United can have him for cheap, let's say the same amount they bought Donny for, 45 million was it?
Oh, I'm sure you're not too fussed about players leaving; that's the fate of every high performer in the Eredivisie. I rather meant those rumours about Slot. I'm sure it's inevitable that he'll leave for something bigger as well, but you'd hope he stays for another 1-2 seasons minimum.
 
Oh, I'm sure you're not too fussed about players leaving; that's the fate of every high performer in the Eredivisie. I rather meant those rumours about Slot. I'm sure it's inevitable that he'll leave for something bigger as well, but you'd hope he stays for another 1-2 seasons minimum.
Nah he won't. He's very ambitious and quite open about the fact that he's not going to say no if a big club comes along. I'd rather he stay at least 1 year, but if Spurs do come knocking, he is 100% gone.
 
Nah he won't. He's very ambitious and quite open about the fact that he's not going to say no if a big club comes along. I'd rather he stay at least 1 year, but if Spurs do come knocking, he is 100% gone.
You sound pretty resigned to the situation? Not really the right thread, but who would be next if he were to leave this summer? Jansen? Worked well at AZ.
 
You sound pretty resigned to the situation? Not really the right thread, but who would be next if he were to leave this summer? Jansen? Worked well at AZ.
Pascal Jansen is surprisingly unpopular with some of my AZ supporting mates for what he's achieved and I think most of what AZ is doing is still mostly due to Slot. I wouldn't mind Peter Bosz myself, though he's a bit on the naive side in his approach or perhaps Van Bronckhorst with Van Persie as assistant (they handed out the trophy to our squad last week). Honestly I can't think of anyone who would do remotely as well. Slot really is a uniquely great coach which is why I think he should, and will take the plunge. He's taken Feyenoord basically as far as we can go. Of course he can try and get through the CL group stage next season, but with our budget that's an extremely tough proposition and failing to do anything in the CL might damage is international value.
 
Pascal Jansen is surprisingly unpopular with some of my AZ supporting mates for what he's achieved and I think most of what AZ is doing is still mostly due to Slot. I wouldn't mind Peter Bosz myself, though he's a bit on the naive side in his approach or perhaps Van Bronckhorst with Van Persie as assistant (they handed out the trophy to our squad last week). Honestly I can't think of anyone who would do remotely as well. Slot really is a uniquely great coach which is why I think he should, and will take the plunge. He's taken Feyenoord basically as far as we can go. Of course he can try and get through the CL group stage next season, but with our budget that's an extremely tough proposition and failing to do anything in the CL might damage is international value.
I'm surprised about Jansen. He has has some poorer periods, but overall, AZ has done pretty well. I never see them though, and don't see their tactics analysed much either, so it's well possible that it's not the genius of Jansen at work here. But it sounds a little odd; I mean, there's no way AZ's squad is on the level of the big three. (I assume not on Feyenoord's either, but then Slot is obviously the best Eredivisie coach by far, so he'll make anything work anyway.)

Sounds like you're just being very grateful for having had to chance to see Slot at your club and get two years of good play, impressive results, and a title! Nice attitude. :) I'm quite curious how far he can go actually. I just hope he picks the right club; not a Chelsea-like circus. Dortmund might be a good option as well, but then they're not firing Terzic now.

Same for Kökcü btw. Hope he goes somewhere that allows him to develop further, not rot on the bench after the proverbial difficult start.
 
I'm surprised about Jansen. He has has some poorer periods, but overall, AZ has done pretty well. I never see them though, and don't see their tactics analysed much either, so it's well possible that it's not the genius of Jansen at work here. But it sounds a little odd; I mean, there's no way AZ's squad is on the level of the big three. (I assume not on Feyenoord's either, but then Slot is obviously the best Eredivisie coach by far, so he'll make anything work anyway.)

Sounds like you're just being very grateful for having had to chance to see Slot at your club and get two years of good play, impressive results, and a title! Nice attitude. :) I'm quite curious how far he can go actually. I just hope he picks the right club; not a Chelsea-like circus. Dortmund might be a good option as well, but then they're not firing Terzic now.

Same for Kökcü btw. Hope he goes somewhere that allows him to develop further, not rot on the bench after the proverbial difficult start.
This is actually why, while an understandable choice, Spurs wouldn't be a great one. They don't really have the means to mount a title challenge or do anything serious in the CL, but they will still sack you unless you achieve the aforementioned. Chelsea is similar, but at least they actually compete for stuff (normally). Dortmund would indeed be a great club for him, really suits his style of play, but he's stated a few times that he dreams of the Premier League.

As for Kokcu, I think Dortmund would be a good fit for him as well actually (not sure who their CM is, so he might not be needed at all). If he goes to the top of the Premier League right away I think he'll struggle a bit.
 
This is actually why, while an understandable choice, Spurs wouldn't be a great one. They don't really have the means to mount a title challenge or do anything serious in the CL, but they will still sack you unless you achieve the aforementioned. Chelsea is similar, but at least they actually compete for stuff (normally). Dortmund would indeed be a great club for him, really suits his style of play, but he's stated a few times that he dreams of the Premier League.

As for Kokcu, I think Dortmund would be a good fit for him as well actually (not sure who their CM is, so he might not be needed at all). If he goes to the top of the Premier League right away I think he'll struggle a bit.

I think if we would sign him and a different CM like Rabiot/Kone, he would have time to adapt and to understudy Eriksen. How much would he realistically cost?
 
Pretty much confirmed he is off to Benfica for €30M. I suppose we will only give him a look when he costs €100M in two years.
 
Omg and we might sign Mount for the double. I am pretty confident that he would have been the perfect Eriksen replacement. Watch him become the best midfielder in Liga NOS
 
Have to say, considering the options, I have changed my mind about him. I think he would been a good signing.
 
This is sad, very sad. Because the sale process cannot be completed we are to lose a lot of options like this…. Very sad to see us not going for cheap and quality options like these one when we have so many positions to fill but instead (afraid of) see us end up with equally good British players at prices 2-3 times higher
 
30M is a steal for a player with his potential. I dont know why are we not interested on him. Guess will try to buy him from Benfica for 80-90M in a couple of years.
 
30M is a steal for a player with his potential. I dont know why are we not interested on him. Guess will try to buy him from Benfica for 80-90M in a couple of years.

Very disappointing a player from what I've heard can play as an 8 and 10 comfortably. Equivalent to 20M GBP. It's shrewd business from Benfica, unfortunately a term that can be seldom used when United do business.
 
We definitely should've been in for €30m. Watch him tear it up now for Benfica, and we activate his €120m release clause in two years.
 
He will join a top club within 2-3 years for 80+m. Missed a really good chance go buy a really talented FdJ alternative for cheap
 
Then he can play football in Galatasaray for all I care. If you're gonna be a professional footballer playing for a top club, you need to be professional. Refusing to wear an armband to show that you don't support LGBTQ, you're anything but professional.
We definitely should've been in for €30m. Watch him tear it up now for Benfica, and we activate his €120m release clause in two years.
Abandons his vehement support of LGBTQ once the player signs for another club. Never change @zaafi :lol:
 
It's 30 million, but we keep 25% of his transfer rights so I hope they sell him on for 100 million in two years as we would get another 25 :D
 
I only said we should've been in for him, not that I wanted him here! :lol: :nervous:
It's a shame we didn't sign Di Canio. As much as I have expressed how adamantly opposed I am to his right-leaning views, I must admit I am disappointed we didn't try to sign him at such a good price!