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I though Kadyrov likes to lead from the front ? love to see him get a beating.
Big day today.So this is how it ends
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Prigozhin doesn't really need numbers. If he can gain the loyalty of the Russian military leaders through diplomacy, he'll be the de facto president.Does Wagner have the numbers to keep hold of Russia? They might force Putin out but it’s not as if everybody will bow their heads to them.
Arent there some semblance of elections still in Russia?
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My speculation is as bad as anyone's but I don't think toppling Putin and moving into Moscow automatically means succeeding him. There could be others that want that spot.I'm going to assume the Wagner leader if he succeeds in a coup will not be recognised by the majority of the world as Russia's new leader. In which case what happens with them having control of the nuclear arsenal?
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If this is all a play, which I think it is, then there's no reason to escalate just yet. Let them take Rostov.No chance that has been order by Putin.
Just words, obviously they aren't going to call them misunderstood patriots.Reckon reconciliation might be off the table after Putin called Wagner back stabbing traitors
I don't see why it would necessarily be bad for the world? I think there's a much higher chance of Russia getting out of Ukraine with pretty much anyone other than Putin.Putin looks like he might get overthrown by Prigozhin, the head of Wagner Group.
It's trading one madman for an even more cunning and evil man. Could mean a military dictatorship in Russia.
If we can get past the schadenfreude of Putin getting toppled, this is bad for the world.
You saying we should prefer the devil we know?Putin looks like he might get overthrown by Prigozhin, the head of Wagner Group.
It's trading one madman for an even more cunning and evil man. Could mean a military dictatorship in Russia.
If we can get past the schadenfreude of Putin getting toppled, this is bad for the world.
I might have blown my cover!You saying we should prefer the devil we know?
Yeah, because the butcher that sends cannon fodder is a competent strategist.Like I said earlier in this thread, this will be bad for Ukraine. A competent Russian military leadership is not a good result for them.
I'd be willing to bet that this guy won't be long standing in whatever position of power he anoints himself.Putin looks like he might get overthrown by Prigozhin, the head of Wagner Group.
It's trading one madman for an even more cunning and evil man. Could mean a military dictatorship in Russia.
If we can get past the schadenfreude of Putin getting toppled, this is bad for the world.
Yeah, I agree. I think he'll throw the kitchen sink at Ukraine in order to win the war, but then fail as an administrator when running the country.I'd be willing to bet that this guy won't be long standing in whatever position of power he anoints himself.
This is Russia. Power always wins. I don't see any other figure that has some sort of organised support. Putin actually made sure of that.Even if parts of the military support Prighozin, does that automatically mean they support him as president?
Prighozin can only seize Moscow with their support. But once the regime has fallen, I imagine others throw their hats into the ring as well.
But the only successful Russian armed force in this war has basically left the battlefield & moved north.Like I said earlier in this thread, this will be bad for Ukraine. A competent Russian military leadership is not a good result for them.
Making Tiktok videos is a better choice than getting sledgehammered.Seems like Kadyrov's guys are just surrendering at the first opportunity? As evil as Prighozhin is I think he's judged things well. With the brutal reputation they have built up, no one in Russia wants a piece of Wagner.
I think he prefers to lead from TikTok.I though Kadyrov likes to lead from the front ? love to see him get a beating.
The front of a camera. No chance he'd be anywhere near any actual fighting.I though Kadyrov likes to lead from the front ? love to see him get a beating.
Yes but Putin had the intelligence community to keep his power. What does the Prig have to control that vast country?This is Russia. Power always wins.
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He counts on the support of the regular army I suppose.Yes but Putin had the intelligence community to ascertain his power. What does the Prig have to control that vast country?
They will start asking where is the West, why aren't they stopping this?I wonder on which side the pro-Russiam fraction in the West amd particularly the US is. Russia interfered with the election but it was Prighozin who was in charge of the troll army. A divorce is always nasty for the children.
Wasn't that Clooney ?Seen this movie, hadn't we, now that nukes are potentially in play?
Denzel saves the day.
I mean yea, Putin is a cnut but he kept the other cnuts in line. With the boss gone, the struggle for power within a nuclear state could have dire consequences.You saying we should prefer the devil we know?
Exactly Putin's cronies are allies of convenience. His empire is a house of cards. Prigozhin is out-Putining Putin.Seems like Kadyrov's guys are just surrendering at the first opportunity? As evil as Prighozhin is I think he's judged things well. With the brutal reputation they have built up, no one in Russia wants a piece of Wagner.
Going by the videos it doesnt sound like that Wagner cook is fond of the special military operation.Like I said earlier in this thread, this will be bad for Ukraine. A competent Russian military leadership is not a good result for them.
If he actually manages to overthrow Putin, Russia will be in administational chaos for weeks and months. No way they could continue the war under these circumstances and would be forced to retreat.Like I said earlier in this thread, this will be bad for Ukraine. A competent Russian military leadership is not a good result for them.
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