Adrien Rabiot | signs 1 year deal at Juventus. See you all next year

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Think it might be best for him to stay at Juve and build on the good season he just had.
He is one of those players I like but believe they should not leave their current club.
 

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Think it might be best for him to stay at Juve and build on the good season he just had.
He is one of those players I like but believe they should not leave their current club.
Saw some tweet on an aggregator suggesting he turned down £200k a week offer from us
 

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Yeah does suggest our slowness has cost us this transfer and no excuse when he was free
It's easy to slag off the club but the feedback from the player/agent may have been that they would rather stay put and we'd be let know if not.

On the face of it it's easy to make up scenarios but we don't know the ins and outs and this time I'm giving benefit of the doubt to the club.
 

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If he was to come here would he be happy being a squad player?

And if not would we be happy with him as the starting 8?
Yeah we might offer a higher base salary but if he's at United and we get Mount, he can very easily find himself being a squad option. That won't be good for his chances at the Euros, he may even get more money playing every week for Juve too.

Apparently he has a good relationship with Allegri too. When you factor it all together, you can see why he may want to stay. We are hardly serious PL or CL contenders either.
 

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Money or an old lady. Seems Rabiot went with his mum.
 

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Not a surprise as he is not a guaranteed starter here but is at Juve. He’s just had one of his best ever seasons and is in the French side also.

Coming to a different country for not much financial gain but a lot of risk regarding career and he’s taking the safe option, which is justifiable.
 

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Most reports say we are looking at two midfielders, interested to see who our second midfielder will be after Mason Mount/Caicedo. Quite relieved its not Rabiot.
 

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Most reports say we are looking at two midfielders, interested to see who our second midfielder will be after Mason Mount/Caicedo. Quite relieved its not Rabiot.
I wouldn’t be. We won’t be paying £55 for Mount and then £80 for Caceido.
 

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I wouldn’t be. We won’t be paying £55 for Mount and then £80 for Caceido.
That's not what I said though. I know its a either/or. What I'm saying is we will buy Mount, and then look for a 2nd cheap midfield options. We need numbers if Fred, McT and VdB are leaving.
 

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Tactical fit…. You know better than ETH?
This is a stupid statement to make. Ofcourse none of us here are managers but that doesnt stop us from makin 100s of posts on tactics. When we signed VdB and everyone was questioning how he was gonna fit in, you could have made this exact statement. After following United for so many years, we all know managers have blindspots, and certain times we go for targets that are easier to sign than ones that are a better fit.
 

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That's not what I said though. I know its a either/or. What I'm saying is we will buy Mount, and then look for a 2nd cheap midfield options. We need numbers if Fred, McT and VdB are leaving.
Listen to what you are saying. You are pointing your nose up to a free top tier midfielder and your are happy anticipating a cheap 2nd midfielder. Who exactly do you think we are getting better than Rabiot :lol:

Did you forget Weghorst and Sabitzer.
 

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I’m not upset that we are not signing him but it does annoy me that we do not seem to be targeting/putting in the groundwork with free transfers. Considering our financial position currently why didn’t we push for Guerreiro or Laimer? Both high value free transfers gone to Bayern. Asensio, Inigo Martinez, Skriniar and Thurman for example would all have helped improve our squad for a negligible financial outlay in terms of transfers and would afford us to move on players like Fred, McTominay, DVdB, Telles, Bailly, Martial for transfer fees thus improving our FFP standing.
 

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Listen to what you are saying. You are pointing your nose up to a free top tier midfielder and your are happy anticipating a cheap 2nd midfielder. Who exactly do you think we are getting better than Rabiot :lol:
We need players who will fit our team, are hungry and young. If we had a decent scouting program in place, we wouldnt be struggling to find talented midfielders. Considering our main midfield players are 31, 31 and 28, I'm not too bothered about not adding another middle of the road 28 yr midfielder on high wages. I'd be much happier with a 20M prospect natural defensive mid being understudy to Casemiro, than forcing Rabiot who played his best season as a #8 last year into that role. No more square pegs and round holes please, absolutely sick to death seeing the likes of McT/Fred being asked to play as defensive mids.

This Rabiot or bust mentality is strange.
 

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We need players who will fit our team, are hungry and young. If we had a decent scouting program in place, we wouldnt be struggling to find talented midfielders. Considering our main midfield players are 31, 31 and 28, I'm not too bothered about not adding another middle of the road 28 yr midfielder on high wages. I'd be much happier with a 20M prospect natural defensive mid being understudy to Casemiro, than forcing Rabiot who played his best season as a #8 last year into that role. No more square pegs and round holes please, absolutely sick to death seeing the likes of McT/Fred being asked to play as defensive mids.

This Rabiot or bust mentality is strange.
I thought that the open spot in our midfield was for a #8 which is why Mount has been a target? Someone with Rabiot's profile is on paper perfect because he is able to play a multitude of roles at a high level and his preferred role is the one we are targetting.

Even if you don't want Rabiot himself, his profile or tactical fitness is the last argument against him.
 

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We need players who will fit our team, are hungry and young. If we had a decent scouting program in place, we wouldnt be struggling to find talented midfielders. Considering our main midfield players are 31, 31 and 28, I'm not too bothered about not adding another middle of the road 28 yr midfielder on high wages. I'd be much happier with a 20M prospect natural defensive mid being understudy to Casemiro, than forcing Rabiot who played his best season as a #8 last year into that role. No more square pegs and round holes please, absolutely sick to death seeing the likes of McT/Fred being asked to play as defensive mids.

This Rabiot or bust mentality is strange.
That’s not where we are currently as a team and not how we improve with the aim of challenging next season.

Who is Pep’s young understudy’s at 20m? It’s such an FM flash dream. We have Kobie Mainoo for what you are pointing out.

Rabiot is a top level midfielder who would have been rotated through the season to uphold of level of performance in important league and Champions League games where the squad maybe stretched. Currently we do not have that midfield discipline without Casemiro and if you think some young kid is going to come in and fill them boots… I want what you’re drinking.
 

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This is a stupid statement to make. Ofcourse none of us here are managers but that doesnt stop us from makin 100s of posts on tactics. When we signed VdB and everyone was questioning how he was gonna fit in, you could have made this exact statement. After following United for so many years, we all know managers have blindspots, and certain times we go for targets that are easier to sign than ones that are a better fit.
Why don’t you explain why a player who can play both as an 6 and 8 very well wouldn't be a good tactical fit to replace Fred and McTominay?
 

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Yeah we might offer a higher base salary but if he's at United and we get Mount, he can very easily find himself being a squad option. That won't be good for his chances at the Euros, he may even get more money playing every week for Juve too.

Apparently he has a good relationship with Allegri too. When you factor it all together, you can see why he may want to stay. We are hardly serious PL or CL contenders either.
That's why should have shown we were prioritising him but never did,so can understand him deciding to reject our offer
 

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Not a surprise as he is not a guaranteed starter here but is at Juve. He’s just had one of his best ever seasons and is in the French side also.

Coming to a different country for not much financial gain but a lot of risk regarding career and he’s taking the safe option, which is justifiable.
I dont know how he is not a guaranteed starter given the turdy state of our midfield.
 
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I thought that the open spot in our midfield was for a #8 which is why Mount has been a target? Someone with Rabiot's profile is on paper perfect because he is able to play a multitude of roles at a high level and his preferred role is the one we are targetting.
Why don’t you explain why a player who can play both as an 6 and 8 very well wouldn't be a good tactical fit to replace Fred and McTominay?
If we are already getting Mount who is probably gonna be played as an #8, I think we should target a natural #6. Not a #8 who can do a job as a #6, which is what Rabiot is. There have been reports before of him clashing at PSG because he didnt wanna play as a defensive mid, and even Emery talked about he doesnt like playing there.


That’s not where we are currently as a team and not how we improve with the aim of challenging next season.

Who is Pep’s young understudy’s at 20m? It’s such an FM flash dream. We have Kobie Mainoo for what you are pointing out.

Rabiot is a top level midfielder who would have been rotated through the season to uphold of level of performance in important league and Champions League games where the squad maybe stretched. Currently we do not have that midfield discipline without Casemiro and if you think some young kid is going to come in and fill them boots… I want what you’re drinking.
Nope. We dont need to sign a first choice defensive midfielder, that's Casemiro. Its his partner Eriksen, that needs to be upgraded, and we need to find an eventual replacement/backup for Casemiro. So we basically need a first choice #8(that will improve our team), and a backup #6 that will provide depth. Its in GK and CF where we need to add a huge amount of quality to bridge the gap. Getting Rabiot instead of say Kone is not making United title challengers, even though he maybe a better player currently.

Its crazy you are mentioning Pep, because how he handled the Fernandinho->Rodri transition was great. Rodri was exactly that, the younger understudy. Yeah he wasnt cheap, but its City. Teams do it all the time, hell ETH did the same with Malacia and Shaw. SAF did it with Ferdinand/Smalling etc. Its not a new thing.

Mainoo is not ready. If we can get someone like Kone/Tyler Adams/Amrabat on the cheap, I will not be complaining.
 

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If we are already getting Mount who is probably gonna be played as an #8, I think we should target a natural #6. Not a #8 who can do a job as a #6, which is what Rabiot is. There have been reports before of him clashing at PSG because he didnt wanna play as a defensive mid, and even Emery talked about he doesnt like playing there.
Rabiot has clashed with no one at PSG and Rabiot played there without issue and was good. The only thing is that it's not his preferred role and everyone knows that, we are also talking about a pure 6 not the role that Casemiro has played nor the role that Eriksen had. So we are not talking about Rabiot being primarily a 6, we are not talking about a player that has clashed with anyone about his role and we are talking about a player that is versatile.
 

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This is a stupid statement to make. Ofcourse none of us here are managers but that doesnt stop us from makin 100s of posts on tactics. When we signed VdB and everyone was questioning how he was gonna fit in, you could have made this exact statement. After following United for so many years, we all know managers have blindspots, and certain times we go for targets that are easier to sign than ones that are a better fit.
Specially when we had Weghorst for 6 months, I don't think asking questions should be frowned upon.
 

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Rabiot has clashed with no one at PSG and Rabiot played there without issue and was good. The only thing is that it's not his preferred role and everyone knows that, we are also talking about a pure 6 not the role that Casemiro has played nor the role that Eriksen had. So we are not talking about Rabiot being primarily a 6, we are not talking about a player that has clashed with anyone about his role and we are talking about a player that is versatile.
As a French person you will know better, and I will admit I have not followed Rabiot as much as you have probably. But there are multiple places saying this and this is where I got this from :

It was thanks in part to Rabiot's emergence that PSG were happy to let Matuidi join Juventus in August 2017, yet debate continued to swirl about his best position. Emery wanted to play him as a No. 6 in front of the defence, but Rabiot repeatedly made it clear he would rather player further forward. Thomas Tuchel found himself grappling with the exact same quandary when he took over from Emery last summer.

"Adrien is a very curious player," Tuchel told L'Equipe in September. "He has an attacking mindset and likes to take risks. I like him a lot, but I'm not sure that he has the profile of a No. 6. It's not about his talent—he could do it, without any doubt—but it's not enough to have the physical or technical capacities of a No. 6; you also have to think like a No. 6."
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...rien-rabiot-is-one-of-footballs-great-enigmas

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Instead of doing what’s best for the squad, neither Rabiot or his agent/mother Veronique saw him as the long-term defensive midfielder for PSG. It isn’t a glamorous position, so Rabiot threw a tantrum whenever he was asked to start in that position.
https://psgtalk.com/2018/12/adrien-...ime-with-paris-saint-germain-comes-to-an-end/ [this source is psg talks, probably a disgruntled fan :lol: ]
 

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As a French person you will know better, and I will admit I have not followed Rabiot as much as you have probably. But there are multiple places saying this and this is where I got this from :



https://bleacherreport.com/articles...rien-rabiot-is-one-of-footballs-great-enigmas

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https://psgtalk.com/2018/12/adrien-...ime-with-paris-saint-germain-comes-to-an-end/ [this source is psg talks, probably a disgruntled fan :lol: ]
The Bleacher report article is BS. We literally have the quotes from Emery and Rabiot played as a 6 for Emery without problem let alone these fabled clashes. When asked about Rabiot's best position Emery said that he prefers him as a 6 because it suits Rabiot's qualities, he also added that it is in spite of Rabiot favorite role being as an 8, finally he said that it is why he eventually moved him away from the 8 role to use him as a 6.

Also keep in mind that this the Thiago Motta role, which is totally diffferent to anything ETH has used, Thiago was a metronome but he would barely play in the opposing half. Most DMs with that profile don't even play like that nowadays.

Too many journalists are making a meal out of nothing or talking about things without context. Rabiot has never refused to play as a 6, if you ask him a direct question about his preferred role he will tell you but he has played a lot of different roles and always play to the best of his abilities.
 
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