Gives me DeGale vibes. Talented but bit of a bellend and no power.
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Watching a rerun of the Anderson vs Martin fight and Martin looks like such a poor fighter.
Had Anderson hurt but didn't have the fundamentals to finish him. Really poor engine, swings like a pub brawler - no range on his hooks at all, very weird jab, rarely has his hands up, just stands upright making himself an open target.
Had Anderson hurt but didn't have the fundamentals to finish him. Really poor engine, swings like a pub brawler - no range on his hooks at all, very weird jab, rarely has his hands up, just stands upright making himself an open target.
Yeah Martin is a terrible figher, got gifted the IBF belt and then lost it straight away to AJ within a couple of rounds.
There's been a lot of criticism of Anderson after that fight, but I think it will stand him in good stead going forward, it was his toughest opponent to date and he's only 23 so plenty to learn before he can take on the likes of AJ/Fury etc.
Should definitely stand him in good stead as it's given him a dose of reality. He nowhere close to the big boys just yet
Anthony Joshua v Dillian Whyte: Heavyweight rematch to take place on 12 August in London - BBC Sport
I'm very much a bandwagon boxing fan but isn't this another case of going back to the old fights because the top brass are finding it harder and harder to agree on terms?
It seems to be getting rarer and rarer to see the absolute best agreeing fights.
I'm very much a bandwagon boxing fan but isn't this another case of going back to the old fights because the top brass are finding it harder and harder to agree on terms?
It seems to be getting rarer and rarer to see the absolute best agreeing fights.
Thinking the same thing. Joshua needs to fight Fury and Fury needs to fight Usyk.
The whole idea with this is a tune up for AJ with a fair few quid generated but will the "blow off" fight with Fury ever happen or will he keep knocking over has beens/second raters indefinitely until he himself becomes one?
AJ and Fury are getting their mates paid. Both are semi retired imo, just spreading the wealth around before they go
Probably a good fight in fairness. Joshua is fighting Wilder in Saudi in December I think so needs another warm up fight after his last performance.
Whyte needs to prove himself too after his performance against Fury.
Nothing really to get excited about is there? Joshua will probably just fight a careful fight and knock Whyte out. If there's anyone more vulnerable than AJ at the top level it's probably Whyte. I guess it's a good "warm up", as if we needed a warm up in this heavyweight landscape.
Genuinely pathetic how long it takes to get a good fight on in boxing. Waited about a billion years for Spence/Crawford, potentially December before we see anything at heavy after a year of posturing and messing around. It's that demotivating they come round and I'm barely interested because they've spent so long fannying around my interest and energy for that particular fight is then low.
Genuinely pathetic how long it takes to get a good fight on in boxing. Waited about a billion years for Spence/Crawford, potentially December before we see anything at heavy after a year of posturing and messing around. It's that demotivating they come round and I'm barely interested because they've spent so long fannying around my interest and energy for that particular fight is then low.
Yeah you're right, same will happen with Shakur/Haney. They'll fight in 3- 5 years time.
It's unfortunately a vicious cycle, the best avoid hard fights to protect their 0 losses, and then maintain unrealistically perfect records, which then means anyone who does lose that 0 loses a lot of credibility as a top fighter, and thus money, which of course circles back to them doing all they can to protect their records (and income).
If the best boxers are really mandated to fight good opponents, a lot of them lose their perfect records, and it's Ok (like most other sports), they're still recognised as great as their records will still be impressive.
In fact, I feel it will ramp up interest with fans (and income) as fights will generally be more exciting with more jeopardy.
If the best boxers are really mandated to fight good opponents, a lot of them lose their perfect records, and it's Ok (like most other sports), they're still recognised as great as their records will still be impressive.
In fact, I feel it will ramp up interest with fans (and income) as fights will generally be more exciting with more jeopardy.
There's too much money in the sport now. The top talent don't need to fight often. It's one fight a year for most which is ridiculous when comparing to other athletes.
That's why such as Teofimo and Inoue are such breaths of fresh air.
They'll fight anyone at or around their weight for a decent payday unlike the pampered divas at more sexy weight classes.
Only for the select few, though.
Many highly ranked fighters at lighter weights make little money from boxing and leave the sport broken. It's the disparity that I hate.
I see it looks like Fury v Ngannou is going to happen. I told you all a long time ago that Fury is overrated and consistently ducks the toughest fights. He's been like this his whole career, guy is a joke. He's talented but a joke.
I didn’t know Usyk was fighting Dubois…what a weird state Heavyweight boxing is in
Dubois is his mandatory WBA defenceI didn’t know Usyk was fighting Dubois…what a weird state Heavyweight boxing is in
Mayweather wrote the book on how to fleece the boxing public years ago. Fury is just doing the same in his own inimitable style.
Ok, didn’t know that. I’m sort of shocked to see Dubois up against someone of that level
Yeah it is an odd match and even odder when you realise Dubois is the WBA (regular) champion, whatever that means. He beat a Don King fighter in front of about 500 in Miami last year.
When you said he was mandatory I actually had to go to his wiki to see who he’d fought
Last thing I remember was him fighting in what looked like a warehouse on the shittest production ever….think that’s the fight you’re referring to. Mental that he’s now facing Usyk…little bit of a jump up in opposition
The hotel the fight took place in was in a dilapidated state. Dubois had to struggle to get any of his purse from King who tried to con him out if it.
Even at 90 odd he is ripping fighters off still
Fury makes it easy for the likes of Eddie Hearn to say he’s irrational etc. because of his social media stuff but I feel like they’re all at it to a degree.
The Saudi financial package has pretty much knacked it for fights being held elsewhere too.
Matchroom are trying to sell Joshua v Whyte like it’s some sort of grudge match when that ship sailed ages ago. They’ve both regressed and not looked great in the last few years. I’m not sure why anyone would be that bothered. Same with Benn v Eubank now he’s been flattened by Liam Smith.
The current heavyweight division is going to out with a whimper. Who's the next generation ?
Joshua is just a complete fraud imo.
He's just a gimmick fighter who was hyped to the hilt by Matchroom and Sky.
His whole career has been one very clever and lucrative load of BS, he's never fought anyone truly dangerous and in his prime.
At some point he was a very hungry fighter but he has spent way too long with that nauseating promoter of his and then decided to just take the easier options for max money.
Who have been the top 3 most dangerous opponents Joshua could have faced in his career ? .. Fury, Wilder and maybe a prime Ortiz ??
The fact he has gone through his whole career and fought none of these guys is just horrendous and proves what a total fake he is.
I am ignoring Uzyk because he is not a dangerous fighter, he is a very good technical smaller fighter and was never really going to spark out Joshua.
Fair play he's made a ton of money but his boxing legacy is nothing to write home about.
A rematch with Whyte is just so Eddie Hearn with the usual grudge BS thrown in.
It amazes me the UK boxing fans still swallow this crap
He's just a gimmick fighter who was hyped to the hilt by Matchroom and Sky.
His whole career has been one very clever and lucrative load of BS, he's never fought anyone truly dangerous and in his prime.
At some point he was a very hungry fighter but he has spent way too long with that nauseating promoter of his and then decided to just take the easier options for max money.
Who have been the top 3 most dangerous opponents Joshua could have faced in his career ? .. Fury, Wilder and maybe a prime Ortiz ??
The fact he has gone through his whole career and fought none of these guys is just horrendous and proves what a total fake he is.
I am ignoring Uzyk because he is not a dangerous fighter, he is a very good technical smaller fighter and was never really going to spark out Joshua.
Fair play he's made a ton of money but his boxing legacy is nothing to write home about.
A rematch with Whyte is just so Eddie Hearn with the usual grudge BS thrown in.
It amazes me the UK boxing fans still swallow this crap
They're swallowing it in ever decreasing numbers as the air of invincibility he once had has well and truly gone.
A Wembley Stadium filler at one time struggles to get a decent number into the O2 these days.
Weak undercards don't help either.
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no interest in the fight but very happy to see Francis getting paid and one over on Dana
Absolute Joke of a fight. He is supposed to be the heavyweight champion of the world. He fights Chisora, ducks Usyk and now fights Francis. Fury needs to be stripped of his title, but we know that ain't happening.
I like Francis but Fury and Usyk are meant to be the standard bearers of the sport. There’s no reason this couldn’t be a fun, freak match when in retirement
Francis could get badly hurt.
It's just a cash grab, easiest fight for the most money, which is fine I suppose, but don't pretend you not about the money (which Fury does) when you clearly are all about the money.
Not Usyk?
Fury, Usyk, Wilder would be the pick. Folks underestimate Usyk at their own peril.
Whyte is the level below that.
Joshua has struggled to agree fights with 2 of those, and while there's loads of nonsense flying around, Wilder and Fury are probably more at fault for that fight not happening than him. At one point they actively froze him out, despite him having more belts.
Now Joshua is over hyped, don't get me wrong - but he still has a better CV than Fury and Wilder.
Klitschko, Parker, Povetkin, Usyk, Whyte, even Pulev are serious names to have on your CV.
Ortiz was already past his prime by the time Joshua was an established fighter.
Wilder is the biggest joker of all - how many champions has he actually fought? He took on what he thought was a finished Fury and got pulled into a trilogy, apart from that, you're basically scraping the barrel
State of boxing.
Somehow the Misfits shite ends up coming out as relatively good compared to the heavyweight division.
Somehow the Misfits shite ends up coming out as relatively good compared to the heavyweight division.
Probably saved a lot of it living rent free inside your head as well.
Oh how I would love it if Fury got sparked out by big francis! Slim chance, though zzzz
Just a pure money fight for Fury. Very telling that he would rather this than Usyk. He's avoiding Usyk as he never wants to lose his 0. The guy is a not a Hall of famer for this reason. Always trying to find a way out of the biggest fights. He's done this through most of his career. It's why I've never taken to him.
Joshua, despite having more flaws as a fighter has imo always looked to have the big fights. His CV is better than Fury's and he has 3 losses on it! So, I've got a lot of time for him.
His next and last fights are the exception to this but I don't begrudge a warm up fight for Wilder.
Just a pure money fight for Fury. Very telling that he would rather this than Usyk. He's avoiding Usyk as he never wants to lose his 0. The guy is a not a Hall of famer for this reason. Always trying to find a way out of the biggest fights. He's done this through most of his career. It's why I've never taken to him.
Joshua, despite having more flaws as a fighter has imo always looked to have the big fights. His CV is better than Fury's and he has 3 losses on it! So, I've got a lot of time for him.
His next and last fights are the exception to this but I don't begrudge a warm up fight for Wilder.
Calling Joshua a fraud while Fury is out here fighting an MMA guy is a vibe, Joshua has a better CV than Fury and Wilder imo even though he's lost a few, he hasn't fought a bum like Chisora x3 in fact you take out Wilder and Wladimir who on Fury's record has any sort of credibility at the top level, I do think Fury beats Joshua but his record is terrible.
Completely agree with this - it's a really weird claim to call out Joshua for ducking tough fights. You can question his ability as a top tier boxer, but you can't really question his CV compared to the other big names in the heavyweight scene.