Wibble strikes again.
Film Christopher Nolan's 'Oppenheimer'
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He's right this time.
Meh
Posters often go through these mid career periods where they occasionally miss the mark. Wibble has also somewhat drifted into this territory.
Dunkirk is incredible. The sound design in that film alone is phenomenal. Great piece of filmmaking.
Think I'm gonna have to see Oppenheimer in IMAX. Seems like a film that's going to demand it.
Think I'm gonna have to see Oppenheimer in IMAX. Seems like a film that's going to demand it.
Never booked 3 weeks in advance. feck it, it's my birthday 21 July. This is what I want to do.
Learned a few things about IMAX filming in here…
I saw Interstellar in 70mm IMAX in the BFI and I'm dying to go see this too, was a phenomenal experience.
Did you see it in IMAX? I watched it at home and wasn't nearly as blown away with it as some of the reviews would have me believe I needed to be.
Dunkirk, yeah. It was extraordinary I thought. I can see it not having the same impact at home on TV, but at the cinema, it was an incredible experience. Haven't watched it in a few years though
It's gonna be shit
Heard the same shit about Dunkirk.
Dunkirk was the best film he directed since Inception.
That's a good list of superlatives but it's the same old, isn't it? Nolan always goes hard on the technological aspects of film making and is a total perfectionist in this sense. But if he hasn't improved his writing then it will be rather pointless. Especially when it's Oppenheimer's story. He can't hide behind scifi elements or superheroes this time. It shouldn't be as action-packed as Dunkirk either.
I'll probably give it a shot and try to watch it in movie theaters, but I'm not overly optimistic.
Sounds like you've already made up your mind.
Nope. And I'd actually counter by saying that having low expectations can be a good thing. I had even lower expectations for Dunkirk and then I was positively surprised. I'm hoping for the same this time around! For better or worse, Nolan is one of the few remaining Hollywood directors who gets to do what he wants and actually tries to do something original with the huge pile of money he is given. I have to root for him because if he fails then it's all Marvel and Disney going forward.
I thought Dunkirk was much better than Inception. Which was a not very smart movie trying way too hard to be clever (a recurring theme with Nolan) Dunkirk at least knew it's limitations. And the only tricksy plot device actually worked very well.
I've heard this criticism for a few films. What defines a film trying to be too clever? For me Tenet would fall into that category i.e. it tried to tell a very complicated story but in the end failed (even though I liked the concept and large parts of the film). For me Inception doesn't fall into that category. As with any film if you want to nit pick certain details you will find them, but it told a more complicated than usual story for a blockbuster and successfully landed it.
Some folks enjoyed Dunkirk. Its all subjective.
I always look at the reviews of critics with a substantial pinch of salt, mainly because there's often a tacit quid pro quo going on between studios and critics, whereby they give them early access to films in exchange for positive reviews, which in turn create more hype leading up to the opening week of release, which is when films make a bulk of their money. If a critic turns in a bad review, they may not be invited to the next one. A bit cynical, but not that far from reality.
That makes sense.
I guess the key is to have a select group of critics that you trust and friends with similar tastes.
Now why would you do that?
Inception and Interstellar. If you’re going to try and build a film around a complex plot then that plot has to hold together. If not, then the whole thing is a big old mess. I haven’t bothered watching Tenet but sounds like it went even further down that path.
Memento, funnily enough, is a good example of a film with a complicated plot that manages to remain watertight. So I’m assuming the more recent muddled messes are victims of big budgets, test audience and all the other stuff that makes blockbusters so often full of horrendous plot holes.
How does the plot of Inception not hold together? Interstellar was a mess but Inception is a masterclass in complex plotting and structuring.
I can’t remember. It was ages ago when I watched it. I do remember it being all over the place though. Wasn’t the whole premise pretty stupid?
No Dunkirk and no TeneT. Even forget about special effects, the retro style cinematography etc. One thing's for sure, the actors will give a performance. On that one criteria, I can definitely watch it and expect something.
Interstellar is the only Nolan film since Prestige that I could, if it was there to watch, be bothered with. The rest is all a bit as the South Park parody of Interception made it: man using physics gimicks to go one better than M Night Shamalyan in terms of aesthetic but not much in terms of character study. Warhorse compared to Dunkirk. There's no competition. Even the technological sde in Warhorse, in terms of filming, is superior. Batman stuff if you like comic book films, the 2005 one is the only one, again, I'd bother with. Seems like he has to reinvent his own wheel every time and usually fails. Tenet or 10-8 (infinity pun) was surely among the worst films ever made.
That's subjective and a different matter. Doesn't mean the plot didn't hold hold together, which I believe it did impressively well considering the complexity.
perfect
Inception came together quite nicely. Any plot holes would be the type of plotholes you would find in any movie whether an oscar winner or popcorn fare. If the issue is having to suspend beliefs then we may as well disregard all sci fi and fantasy films.
Memento itself has plotholes depending on how far down the rabbit hole you would like to go. Interstellar's ending wasn't as good as the previous 2 acts but even that film for a sci fi film had meticulous detail. Tenet is the only one for me of Nolan's film where he clearly went too complex and complicated.
I’ve recently tried watching the prestige and it not only doesn’t hold up but the twist they spend the whole of the movie setting up seems just straight-up dumb.
Yeah I feel pretty much the same way.
It doesn't mean anything. It's just good or bad writing. People saying "it's trying to be too clever" is just a lazy internet trope that amounts to nothing. People who didn't like Inception (for whatever reason) usually say it, but its scenario actually holds up very well, in its own universe - certain films also don't need to be dissected and analysed, Inception (just like Interstellar) are films by a blockbuster director at the top of his powers that work for the 2.5/3h you're immersed in them in the movie theatre (for most people, of course not everyone is going to like it). And that's perfectly fine. It's also what cinema is about.
Most hyped I've been about a film in a while. Despite the other comments I agree with in here about Tenet, I'm a big Nolan fan for the huge and different Hollywood movies which otherwise can be a bit samey, and this looks right up there to potentially be amazing.
Got my IMAX 70mm tickets. Looking forward to seeing Cillian Murphy's wang projected six foot onto the screen.
Fappenheimer
Going to an IMAX viewing on Saturday while she's at work.