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I can't believe England's women's team have picked a wicketkeeper who can catch.
 

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Feels like the Aussies are getting ahead here for the first time in the match. Need a wicket.
 

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Dunkley was struggling there, probably not the worst thing for her to get out.
 

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Looking difficult at the moment this chase.

Edit. I know Capsey loves that shot, but definitely not what England needed!
 
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It's hard work watching this and Wimbledon at te same time. Can't help but think this is looking too big a total to chase - would be nice to be wrong.

- And as I write that Wyatt out...
I think this one is probably done. Australia gave England about 40 runs in no balls and free hits at the beginning of the innings in the last game, plus the extra 20 runs on top. It always going to be tough.

I’m surprised England felt the need to go aerial so soon. Before the Capsey wicket they were ticking along at 5 an over.
 

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Really weird shots from England. Thrown their wickets away from a position where they really didn’t need to take risks.

And now a non review for an LBW that would have been over turned.
 

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I think this one is probably done. Australia gave England about 40 runs in no balls and free hits at the beginning of the innings in the last game, plus the extra 20 runs on top. It always going to be tough.

I’m surprised England felt the need to go aerial so soon. Before the Capsey wicket they were ticking along at 5 an over.
It's felt like a lot of dropped catches again for England as well. Admittedly I've been dipping in and out of the coverage but I was listening to one of the women talking about England's WWC win the other day and how they practiced scoring 8-12 runs/over safely prior to that tournament. I know Aus will have learned from that as well but even so it does feel like we've forgotten something here. Said from the comfort of my sofa obviously...
 

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It's felt like a lot of dropped catches again for England as well. Admittedly I've been dipping in and out of the coverage but I was listening to one of the women talking about England's WWC win the other day and how they practiced scoring 8-12 runs/over safely prior to that tournament. I know Aus will have learned from that as well but even so it does feel like we've forgotten something here. Said from the comfort of my sofa obviously...
I think there was only a couple of drops today. It’s strange as they’re going along nicely again, the increased amount of spin bowling just seemed to cause some unnecessary panic. Capsey is clearly going to go all out each time, she’s so young too so hard to blame her.

That last over for Australia was so crucial as well. Could be a run a ball now.
 

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Glenn needs to throw the bat here. No point protecting her wicket any more.
 

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Really poorly paced chase from England, just needed to get Sciver-Brunt and Beaumont on strike more often. That Dunkley knock up front cost them.
 

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The tactics make no sense to me. Even the last game they won they made so many basic mistakes with the chase. 15 needed of the last over I don’t get why she is taking a single of ball 1
 

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The tactics make no sense to me. Even the last game they won they made so many basic mistakes with the chase. 15 needed of the last over I don’t get why she is taking a single of ball 1
Or why Glenn wasn’t trying to smash the ball out of the park when she was on strike at the end of overs, they had wickets in hand.
 

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Shame. The format of this series seems a bit off. Surely they either need more Tests, or for the Tests to be worth less? England did well to keep the series alive for as long as they did.
 

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Really poorly paced chase from England, just needed to get Sciver-Brunt and Beaumont on strike more often. That Dunkley knock up front cost them.
Nah they paced it well up till the last five overs, considering the situation. They really couldn’t afford to take massive risks five down.

Glenn had to swing way sooner though, although I’m not sure if she really had the ability to do so. She did so well to stick in there but she left it too late.

edit. Dunkley doesn’t seem to be worth using in the power play. I’d put Capsey there.
 

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Nah they paced it well up till the last five overs, considering the situation. They really couldn’t afford to take massive risks five down.

Glenn had to swing way sooner though, although I’m not sure if she really had the ability to do so. She did so well to stick in there but she left it too late.
You’re right that the pacing was acceptable until Jones got out and then even at the end they got it to 38 off 30, which is when they really should have just gone for it. Ended up backing themselves up into 29 off 18 and 15 off 6.

Strike rotation let them down. Just get the in form batter on strike and push harder a little earlier.
 

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What cost England is the 35 runs that Capsey, Knight, Dunkley and Wyatt got thats a poor return from 4 of our 6/7 batters especially Dunkley in the powerplay, Sciver-Brunt did magnificently to get as close as she did
 

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I just think that when you know that in the women’s game people like Glenn will struggle to get singles then why is the main batter taking singles of the first ball. The bowling was completely harmless and NSB didn’t even once look like getting out so why take an early single. Just play 3-4 balls and try to see if you can time one through the gaps.
 

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I just think that when you know that in the women’s game people like Glenn will struggle to get singles then why is the main batter taking singles of the first ball. The bowling was completely harmless and NSB didn’t even once look like getting out so why take an early single. Just play 3-4 balls and try to see if you can time one through the gaps.
Yeah NSB should have strike farmed a tad earlier.
 

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Also the other big issue for England is that this aggressive batting style is difficult to win with when you have a long tail. Ecclestone,Glenn and Cross are decent but nothing special and so the top 7 have to be more sensible.
 

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I just think that when you know that in the women’s game people like Glenn will struggle to get singles then why is the main batter taking singles of the first ball. The bowling was completely harmless and NSB didn’t even once look like getting out so why take an early single. Just play 3-4 balls and try to see if you can time one through the gaps.
I think she knew it as soon as she ran. She must have thought she could get two from it.

There was just a bit too much to do going into that last over as it never really felt like England were going to hit any sixes. Ideally you’d have wanted Glenn swinging at it once they’d got into the 48th over - like Cross did last time. But she just didn’t seem to have the power or technique to lift the ball over the offside. Everything went to a fielder.

Not going to lie, I’m gutted.
 

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You’re right that the pacing was acceptable until Jones got out and then even at the end they got it to 38 off 30, which is when they really should have just gone for it. Ended up backing themselves up into 29 off 18 and 15 off 6.

Strike rotation let them down. Just get the in form batter on strike and push harder a little earlier.
29 off 18 with three wickets left means the tailender needs to start swinging. She did well enough to hit a single mostly, but it was always off the expense of a dot or two. I would have rather she hit one four and got out.
 

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26 off that last Bell over, ouch.

Why are they so reluctant to pick Wong/Filer and their extra pace?
 
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Moeen batting at 3 is just absolutely crazy to me. For a one off chase it made sense but as a regular thing it seems pointless to me
 

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Moeen batting at 3 is just absolutely crazy to me. For a one off chase it made sense but as a regular thing it seems pointless to me
It's a nuts decision. He bats like a number 8 lately, let alone a 3. Anyway hopefully we fluke a 50 out of him.
 

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Moeen batting at 3 is just absolutely crazy to me. For a one off chase it made sense but as a regular thing it seems pointless to me
Who else would you play there? I think it's a damage limitation decision more than anything.

You're guaranteed the same sort of innings from Moeen at 3 as he would play anywhere else, I think pretty much every other viable option misses out on runs at 3.
 

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Who else would you play there? I think it's a damage limitation decision more than anything.

You're guaranteed the same sort of innings from Moeen at 3 as he would play anywhere else, I think pretty much every other viable option misses out on runs at 3.
In order of preference:

Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Lawrence
The ghost of WG Grace

Then I'd consider Moeen at 3.
 

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In order of preference:

Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Lawrence
The ghost of WG Grace

Then I'd consider Moeen at 3.
:lol:

Root in an ideal world but that ship has sailed, Stokes is England's saviour - need him later on, and Bairstow is much of muchness with Moeen right now. Lawrence in an Ashes test would be laughable.
 

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I love Bazball but Stokes needs to learn to make the hard calls. For me the only reason Bairstow is playing here is because they want his batting in the team but then they should make him bat up the order. I don’t see the point of having him stay at 7 and asking someone you picked for their bowling to go bat at 3 in a test match
 

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Getting a bit worried about the weather at OT. Hopefully will change nearer the time, but all of Saturday, Sunday and Monday look like they could see some rain.

Edit: thought it was a Thursday start. Still, hopefully Saturday and Sunday aren’t too affected.
 
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Getting a bit worried about the weather at OT. Hopefully will change nearer the time, but all of Saturday, Sunday and Monday look like they could see some rain.
Test starts Wednesday (just doesn’t feel right does it). That morning looks like the best time to bowl for the first two days, so let’s hope we win another toss.

Should be okay for the first three days, but the weekend looks almost a write off unless it changes. It was always likely to happen at some point.
 

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I love Bazball but Stokes needs to learn to make the hard calls. For me the only reason Bairstow is playing here is because they want his batting in the team but then they should make him bat up the order. I don’t see the point of having him stay at 7 and asking someone you picked for their bowling to go bat at 3 in a test match
He looks unfit anyway, but would be too much keeping and batting at 3.

Agree with your point though, if they're so hell-bent on him playing, bat him at 3 and bring in Foakes to keep... You'd need Stokes able to bowl though or to drop Ali and use Root as the spinner.
 

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In order of preference:

Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Lawrence
The ghost of WG Grace

Then I'd consider Moeen at 3.
You don't really want to move Root out his no.4 comfort zone - especially as he's already struggling a bit. Stokes is better off down the order so he can come in if shit is falling apart (as it often is). Bairstow is the only one, but really, is that much different from putting in Ali at this point? There batting numbers are fairly similar in this series.

Thing with Ali is, you watch him play some shots sometimes and stroke the ball around and you think he can be such a brilliant batter... then he goes and does Moeen things and gets out.

Read a stat the other day that if he gets 23 more runs Moeen will become just the 15th man in Test history to 200 wickets/3000 runs combo. Not bad for a non front line spinner whose most common position in the England order has been TBC
 
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I love Bazball but Stokes needs to learn to make the hard calls. For me the only reason Bairstow is playing here is because they want his batting in the team but then they should make him bat up the order. I don’t see the point of having him stay at 7 and asking someone you picked for their bowling to go bat at 3 in a test match
Stokes’ injury means England have basically gone back to Bayliss-ball. If Stokes could bowl properly I reckon Woakes would drop out for a proper bat or Foakes.

Moeen @ 3 makes me wonder what the England contingency for Pope getting injured was before this summer started. And I know Root is most comfortable at 4 but it reflects a little poorly on him if Moeen is sticking his hand up to bat 3 to protect Brook and he’s not.
 

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Stokes’ injury means England have basically gone back to Bayliss-ball. If Stokes could bowl properly I reckon Woakes would drop out for a proper bat or Foakes.

Moeen @ 3 makes me wonder what the England contingency for Pope getting injured was before this summer started. And I know Root is most comfortable at 4 but it reflects a little poorly on him if Moeen is sticking his hand up to bat 3 to protect Brook and he’s not.
It's ridiculous from Root. When he was Captain I could tolerate it as he had plenty on his plate - but what's the reasoning now?
Likewise Stokes if he can't bowl. Drop him back to 5/6 if we are in a run chase etc.