If you want to win the lot in the modern times you either need ridiculous luck or a big squad, or both.
Liverpool are a mess
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
They won't even get top 4.
It's mostly about prioritising. Klopp isn't going to go gung-ho in the EL at the cost of the league.
Liverpool's focus next season is going to be on the league games, where his key players will almost exclusively play. Then he'll see how far the luck of the draw and his peripheral players take him in the cup competitions, before he has to start playing his key players in the late knockout games then. For example, Salah played 2 FA cup games and 1 League Cup game the year Liverpool won the two trophies.
On top of that, Guardiola is the only manager around who's actually capable of managing a big squad. The rest of them fail miserably and end up with unhappy players on the bench.
think they still need another defender, someone better than Gomez to cover cb/rb
He actually doesn't keep that big of a squad but his ability to utilize same players effectively in different roles gives illusion of squad being bigger than it actually is .
Agreed. It's actually quite a compact squad, but the players are utilised effectively. You'll seldom see a first team player ride the bench all season (Phillips is an exception). Even the likes of Fabian Delph managed to play a key role in his team.
Some fans are overly obsessed with what other clubs do rather than looking at what their own club is trying to build.
You have to say, with that midfield, plus the number of attacking players they have and having klopp as a manager, they'll be up there challenging City
This is all with the assumption that one of them get injured. Szoboszlai has already had one major injury in his career, though I don't think MacAllister and Caicedo have, but that does not mean one or more of them could be out for an extended period and then you're having a big drop off in quality (assuming Thiago is also injured).
It's ofcourse not easy having to manage multiple star players, but that isn't what's required. You can have decent players to fill the bench and be reliable, for us Fred would be a great player to have on the bench, similarly someone like Sabitzer.
Some managers, too. Klopp when Pogba signed for United from Juve:
“If you bring one player in for £100million or whatever and he gets injured then it all goes through the chimney. The day that this is football, I’m not in a job any more, because the game is about playing together."
"That is how everybody in football understands it. You always want to have the best, but building the group is necessary to be successful."
"Other clubs can go out and spend more money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money."
"You can win championships, you can win titles, but there is a manner in which you want it."
The fact that he now (will have) has the most expensive midfielder, one of the most expensive centre backs, the second most expensive goalie, and one of the most expensive strikers in the PL is a little damning for Klopp and his **** followers. Apparantly, he's this managerial wizard that never spends money and is still able to compete with the oil clubs. Well, it's hard to argue his case when it comes to that any longer.
Also, he will have some sort of silly excuse to why that quote no longer applies.
Sharing the Klopp quotes with liverpool fans has been such a satisfying use of my time this morning. The typical bitter reaction has ensued after
Klopp likes to imagine himself as some plucky underdog who goes up against the big guns and succeeds in the face of all the odds, which is also a narrative Liverpool fans live by in their day to day lives. It’s a shame it completely falls down when you present some pretty basic facts.
Still does it today after achieving the CL and PL. It's a really baffling attribute of his, and it rubs off on the fanbase. I have 3 Scouse mates and they all speak the same way as him, as if the world is against them all the time.
Tbf he's not excusing it. He's held his hand up and admitted he was wrong back then. Plus this transfer shows that the failure to get Bellingham was never about the transfer money. He just didn't want to go there and play in EL.
"oh oh oh that was 7 years ago"
Weird how Klopp has spunked £850m on players. That Coutinho Net Spend argument gets inflated every year to the point where his fee was probably £400m
Yeah it’s not surprise Klopp and Liverpool found each other, he couldn’t manage a top team that expects to win everything all the time, he couldn’t handle the pressure, we’ve seen how he reacts when people question him.
I guess it’s the same with United though, we want a manager to come in a take total control and enforce ownership while antagonising as many of our rivals as possible. Certain personalities just fit a certain fanbases culture.
I wish that transfer never happened. They’ve lived off that deal for the entire time Klopp has been at Pool. They use it to paper over every single summer.
This is almost word for word the response I got from someone!
Another responded that ETH has spent more already than Klopp in his entire tenure. The delusion is strong.
In Liverpool's defence, they still have about £100m left of the Coutinho money to spend...
Yeah, but that is net spend in Scouse terms, so it’s actually much more.
Do you have a quote?
And that was the correction they had to make straight after. I feel like you lot are reading my whatsapp messages
. That, or this is the standard liverpool fan response.You shouldn't be planning for major injuries. They happen and you have to deal with them as and when they do. Suspensions and minor injuries sure, you need players capable of dropping in for a few weeks and to also rest players in peripheral competitions but Liverpool have that in the form of Elliot and Bajcetic.
If on the 1st of September Caicedo is all of a sudden out for the season, you just put that down to bad luck. Navigate through till January with the players you have, and then re-evaluate whether you need to use the loan market to help you out till the end of the season.
Are they back to being in a mess again yet?
Games aren't won on paper, let's see how they react to Liverpool and the pressure. I'm still not convinced by them. They're still massively reliant on Salah.
Op don’t gone and fecked up
How. Many. Times?!
Thread was created last season at a point they WERE in a mess!
Wow they’ve completely fecked it all up haven’t they
Southampton must be delighted. They’ll come running back with their tail between their legs I hope they are now asking for 60m minimum knowing Liverpool have a 111m kitty
Southampton must be delighted. They’ll come running back with their tail between their legs I hope they are now asking for 60m minimum knowing Liverpool have a 111m kitty
Very much...a mess
Exactly. When you factor in Liverpool's desperation following this public humiliation, Saints should be considering lumping an additional 50% on their original asking price when the scousers come crawling back.Wow they’ve completely fecked it all up haven’t they
Southampton must be delighted. They’ll come running back with their tail between their legs I hope they are now asking for 60m minimum knowing Liverpool have a 111m kitty
How embarrassing for them.
First it was Mount, then Amrabat and now Caicedo. Snubbed 3 times in the same window, ouch!!
they wanted amrabat ?
The smugness from the fanbase saying 48m was their evaluation of the player and they’ve now moved on . How can they go back now at 48m?Wow they’ve completely fecked it all up haven’t they
Southampton must be delighted. They’ll come running back with their tail between their legs I hope they are now asking for 60m minimum knowing Liverpool have a 111m kitty
This could not have gone worse for them.
From Liverpool are a mess to Liverpool are title contenders and back to Liverpool are a mess in space of less than 24 hours.
Really embarrassing for them but they're now going to spend that £111m on something, they will have to.
They were linked with him previously but there were reports going round a few weeks ago saying he snubbed them and only wants to join us after it became known ETH wanted him. Whether it’s true or not I’m not sure but I’ll choose to believe it as it makes Liverpool look like mugs! Not that they need any extra help doing that.
Tbf they’re in a mess right now with Caicedo mugging them off
Klopp has spent 750m