Agree. The fact football didn't exist before the bloody PL. It is insulting to great footballers and great teams.
Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player
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No matter which way you look at it I do think this shows Bayern are (rightfully) worried about this coming season. Dortmund just about beat them for the title last season and they haven't gotten any weaker, and Leipzig seemed to have made some smart transfers to strengthen their squad. I don't see the coming season being any easier for Bayern but adding Kane may be just enough to give them that competitive edge.
Why would that show any sort of worry compared to previous seasons? I think that it's just a club that wants a top striker, has the money to get one and is seemingly getting one.
Bayern have won the league 11 seasons in a row. 15 out of the past 20 league titles. Dortmund, with two titles in a row, ended up being a feeder club for Bayern. It’s a bit of a distance to the situation in the Premier League, where we have to compete with state funded clubs and even then it’s more competitive than Germany.
The comparison doesn't hold up because while I agree on Crawford being better, Canelo has got the more impressive CV.
A better comparison would be comparing Crawford to Canelo if Canelo had only ever fought bums in a parking lot due to his contract. It wouldn't be Canelo's (Bayern's) fault, and he'd still have the same skills, but his wins would be a lot less meaningful than Crawfords.
Bellingham?
Really sad to see him go. A truly world class baller.
Because Bundesliga clubs, even Bayern aren't know to break the bank to this kind of level. Not for a 30 year old striker with no Bundesliga experience. They got a 25 year old Lewandowski for free.
Yeah I don't disagree he is a huge loss but I feel the squad may be more balanced with a more defensively oriented Nmecha.
Gets to within touching distance of the PL record and then decides to leave having wasted most of his career at spurs….such odd moves knitted together.
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We got that transfer muppetry thing
It's gone up 50% since the last tweet.
Which is the best option here?
1. Leave the PL and join Bayern Munich: You'll be guaranteed a few Bundesliga titles, have a decent shot at the Champions League, but you'll never win the Premier League or get the all-time goalscoring record. You've thrown those 2 things away for good.
2. Leave Spurs and join Manchester United or another PL rival that's currently in a way better position than Spurs: Have similar chances at the CL as you would at Bayern Munich, have a chance of winning the Premier League and basically guarantee the goalscoring record.
3. Stay the Spurs forever: The biggest thing they can realistically win in the next 3-4 years is a domestic cup (which I would value higher than winning the Bundesliga simply because of how much Spurs means to him) and guarantee the goalscoring record.
I don't see how option 2 is not the best option by far here...we've progressed enough as a team that if you put Kane up top we are up there with the best teams in the world. Bayern don't really have significantly better chances than us in Europe if we had Kane in the team.
I wish Kane good luck and hope he wins the CL with the Germans...because he's a great fecking player. If he doesn't win the CL for Bayern this decision will always be in the back of his mind until the day he dies.
1. Leave the PL and join Bayern Munich: You'll be guaranteed a few Bundesliga titles, have a decent shot at the Champions League, but you'll never win the Premier League or get the all-time goalscoring record. You've thrown those 2 things away for good.
2. Leave Spurs and join Manchester United or another PL rival that's currently in a way better position than Spurs: Have similar chances at the CL as you would at Bayern Munich, have a chance of winning the Premier League and basically guarantee the goalscoring record.
3. Stay the Spurs forever: The biggest thing they can realistically win in the next 3-4 years is a domestic cup (which I would value higher than winning the Bundesliga simply because of how much Spurs means to him) and guarantee the goalscoring record.
I don't see how option 2 is not the best option by far here...we've progressed enough as a team that if you put Kane up top we are up there with the best teams in the world. Bayern don't really have significantly better chances than us in Europe if we had Kane in the team.
I wish Kane good luck and hope he wins the CL with the Germans...because he's a great fecking player. If he doesn't win the CL for Bayern this decision will always be in the back of his mind until the day he dies.
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What makes you think that the club that spent 80m cash on a CB wouldn't spend more on a striker, especially when the same team last season spent nearly 70m on an other CB. Started the crazyness of paying large buyout clauses cash(Javi Martinez).
Not only Bayern have no issue spending more than most clubs would, they also have no issue paying large sums upfront and then give massive wages or signing bonuses in the case of Lewandowski. When it comes to generrate or spend money people have completely wrong perception of Bayern. They spend , spend big and often.
"Harry Kane, we'll see you in June".
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Devastated about this. Only Haaland is better striker than him.
.Devastated about this. Only Haaland is better striker than him.
Compared to the rest of the Bundesliga sure, but Bayern spends way less than many of the largest top clubs. Our net spend is about triple of Bayern over the last 10 years. In part because they make fewer large purchases and are much more effective sellers as well.
That's because they actually sign good players. It's the same story than United under SAF, the club would spend when needed but for the most part the team was set and there was no need to spend big on a lot of players every summer. That's also why Real Madrid ended up with a negative net spend in the late 2010s.
All these teams spend/spent when needed and it's completely wrong to assume otherwise and also the rest of the Bundesliga is irrelevant to Bayern spending decisions.
Of course it's #2, I don't think anyone would say otherwise.
It isn't however a very realistic option, considering A) no PL team is willing to pay the amount Spurs want for him (and seemingly Levy isn't willing to sell to a rival) and B) if he decides to stay and leave for free next summer there's a good chance he tarnishes his reputation with Spurs forever.
Who’s gonna break it? You talk as if there is a queue. It’s not easy at all to score 260 goals you know. It would take at least a decade, injury free decade for a player playing in one of the top clubs to break it. I’m not saying it’s not possible but it’s gonna be extremely difficult for anyone.
What’s the media and pundits reaction to this transfer? Are they happy for Kane or bitter that England’s no. 9, their captain and one of the best strikers in the world is leaving the premier league to join the Germans? What’s the narrative?
Generally speaking I can't even believe it's a debate over which one is more attractive.
Just one trophy trumps a record that in reality few even care about. For starters English football didn't start in 1992 and secondly, how many people can honestly say they'd know who the PL record scorer was if Shearer wasn't on MOTD reminding us every week? Anyone actually know who the record scorer is in any other top flight league? I don't know nor care enough to check.
The actual record isn't 260 goals, so you are even more correct that record isn't going to broken any time soon unless Haaland stays a long time at City.
Mixed. Some can understand his desire for trophies, but again why he isn't waiting to go to another PL team on a free. Some are obsessed with this scoring record and in the same breath, the old I don't mean to be disrespectul to the BL, but then go on to be disrespectful to the BL. I think he will be relieved to get away from Daniel Levy.
I was talking specifically about the premier league record not the Jimmy greaves one. Rightly or wrongly the premier league record matters to be honest.
He's leaving about 5 years too late, but good for him.
If Bayern manage to win nothing this season, it will destroy Kane psychologically and we'll see him in MLS in two years
If Bayern manage to win nothing this season, it will destroy Kane psychologically and we'll see him in MLS in two years
Also Jimmy Greaves actually won things.
People would have no clue about the top 3 in France, Delio Onnis, Bernard Lacombe and Hervé Revelli.
I know, the point is that you are specifically talking about a fake record.
PS: It's not aimed at you but at the mention of it as a record by the press.
Number 1 is the best option by far, especially for a player who missed out on CL football way too often for his quality. That's not going to happen again with Bayern. In the Premier League, the only club that guarantees CL football for him has an even better striker.
He can also extend his career in a less physically demanding league (fewer games, winter break, only one domestic cup). And he'll earn loads. And he won't have to piss off Spurs fans.
I'm sure you can at least guess La Liga.
The arrogance about the Prem is genuinely so embarassing but carry on because it's a really boring debate.
That's the one I could make an educated guess, the rest I wouldn't know where to begin.
Never even heard of the Ligue 1 top scorers @JPRouve has just revealed.
I bet it only dawns on him that everyone there speaks German after he lands.
Delio Onnis is an argentine born in Italy from the 60s-80s, he is a Monaco legend. Lacombe was the best french striker in the 80s and a starter for the french team led by Platini, he largely for Lyon and Bordeaux and in the case of Bordeaux we are talking about their great team from the 80s with Giresse and Tigana. Revelli's prime was with the 70s Saint Etienne.
All of them are great players of their time but if we are honest unless you care about Football history there is a fair chance that you won't have a clue about who they are or about their nearly unbeatable records.
To put this in numbers, over the last 10 seasons 10 different teams finished in the top 4 of the Bundesliga while 7 different teams finished in the top 4 of the Premier League. If we expand to top 6 places, 14 different teams finished there over 10 seasons in Bundesliga as opposed to 11 teams in PL.
At the bottom end, a number of big clubs who have played Champions League seasons were relegated during those 10 seasons - HSV, Stuttgart, Hertha, Schalke, Bremen, with Wolfsburg avoiding relegation in the playoffs.
In all areas except the top spot it is rather evident that Bundesliga is more 'competitive'. Not 'better', obviously. In fact, as opposed to all those posters conflating the two phenomenons, it could be argued that it is this very competitiveness from places 2 and downwards that lets Bayern in their consistent superiority run away with it more often than not, and come out top constantly.
But money talks, and it does not help that their competitors constantly get raided for their best players by clubs from Liverpool, London, and Manchester
As for the Kane transfer, I am among those who would never, never, have imagined that Kane would actually move to Bundesliga. Observing from Germany, I thought Bayern's pursuit of him (already in recent seasons) was naive, overbearing, and absurd, typical Bayern. Even until today a part of me eagerly anticipated the egg on their sausage faces when it would become clear they were being rejected, like they were with Mount, Rice, Walker (all of whom were reported to be eager to join Bayern by gullible German media). Now that part of me is stunned like Gary Neville.
It is sad that he could not wait another season and join us as a free agent, assuming we will be offering a real prospect of meaningful success and trophies after another season of progress unter ETH. And with Pep and Klopp fading out. But then it is also kind of understandable he cannot wait any longer with no CL football at Spurs.
What bothers me is that we did or could not persuade him to commit to us and clearly push for a transfer the way he did for Bayern.
Because in the end, notwithstanding Levy's aversion to selling to a rival, the player's will has a lot of weight. If Kane had made it clear that he only, unequivocally, wants to join Man United, this summer or next summer if must be, and we offered the kind of money Bayern was offering this summer, Levy would have had a tough decision to make. But in reality, despite all the fantasizing going, there never was any report or indication we were offering him such a proposition. And that is what's sad about it.
In the short term, there is something to be glad about, as Spurs are significantly weakened as a top 4 competitor.
In the medium term, thinking he might have joined on a free next summer, it is sad that we will be missing out on the perfect player for a couple of seasons, English captain, one of incredibly few world class strikers, a position we still are in dire need. I can't bring myself to be optimistic enough to think Hojlund will reach that level anytime soon, if ever. And that is not meant to shit on the kid who I am confident will be good.
In the long term, it makes no sense to put too much weight on individual players, we are on a good way on the footballing side of things.
Do people here remember Kevin Keagan?
Who is saying the Premier League isn't the best league in the world?
This should help prolong Kane's career. The Bundesliga is weak enough to keep him from overexertion, but strong enough to keep him sharp.
fixed that for you.
I'll tell you what, I'd love it if they remembered.