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I really don't blame him for recognising that he'll never make this kind of money again and that he's approaching his twilight years. It's smart for him to dig his heels and stay put just as it was for Jones.

The blame lies with people like Ed Woodward and the other clowns handing out contracts at this club.
 

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He is apparently on 200k a week at United. If WHU are offering him 150k a week, the delta over the 3 years left on his contract would be about 7.5mil.
He is on 190k.
No way WHU will give him 150k. That will make him highest paid guy or 2nd guy at the club. So no chance.
He has 2 years left on contract. 3rd year is a +1.
 

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If he doesn't want to leave to go to West Ham then just say it. He is wasting West Ham and United's time...just say you are not interested in a move to West Ham. The End.
We would take it, but it seems he wants the pay off from United as he would be walking away from a much bigger salary.

I would do exactly the same, if i was him.
 

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Express your disdain for the player if you want but please try to stay away from vitriolic things like calling a player cancer, calling them a cnut or asking fans to go to a players house to hound them out of the club. Be civilized normal people please. Thank you.
 

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not sure what people are expecting? He has a contract and every right to negotiate what is owed if he doesn't want to leave

he's just doing what anyone in his position would do, and will likely get a good settlement
 

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De Jong wasn’t wanted at Barcelona. He refused to leave because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference? (other than one being a very good footballer)
 
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I don't understand why we don't pay him. He is a limited player with no use, no ambition and bad mentality (by rejecting WH, he just accepts his demotion and don't want to fight for his career).

I m sure his agent advised him to stay on his contract. He will be semi retired in 2 years with no football and I doubt he will be able to find a contract over 20k. Does he believe that the Saudis will give him a grant contract?
 

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He's a proper grifter but we also deserve the blame for paying him much more than any other club would have and effectively inflating his ego by naming him captain after a a few weeks to get him to the point where he can't see himself earning less at other smaller clubs.
 

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De Jong wouldn’t leave Barca for Utd because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference?
Because he was owed that in deferred wages. Maguire is just being a greedy little git thinking he's entitled to millions to leave because no other club would be stupid enough to give him the ridiculous wages we have (thanks Ed).
 

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He is on 190k.
No way WHU will give him 150k. That will make him highest paid guy or 2nd guy at the club. So no chance.
He has 2 years left on contract. 3rd year is a +1.
I was working on the report that he was asking for 7mil pay off.

We don't know for sure, but for there to even be a conversation, WHU would need to make him one of the highest paid players at the club.

If as you say, West Ham are offering him less than 150k, then it is even more reason for him to drag his heels.
 

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I really don't blame him for recognising that he'll never make this kind of money again and that he's approaching his twilight years. It's smart for him to dig his heels and stay put just as it was for Jones.

The blame lies with people like Ed Woodward and the other clowns handing out contracts at this club.
The club and ten Hag need to cut their losses of the mistakes in the Woodward era. Pay him off and use the net amounts to get a replacement. It’s as simple as that but unfortunately ten Hag’s recent comments and putting him on the bench yesterday have opened the door for Maguire to stay.
 

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not sure what people are expecting? He has a contract and every right to negotiate what is owed if he doesn't want to leave

he's just doing what anyone in his position would do, and will likely get a good settlement
see i hate that argument, because players cant have it both ways. There are many times when a player wants a move away, but they are still under contract. It goes both ways. So for me both sides need to be realistic, but i really dont get maguire as a realistic guy. Still remember him celebrating some little nothing goal against one of the euro trash minnows as if he had just vindicated himself or something
 

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You really think someone's going to give him a big contract at age 32 and after 3 seasons of largely warming the bench? And that's he's necessarily on the plane to the Euros next summer if he hardly plays for United?
He's not getting a big contract again regardless. This is his last big contract. Will someone give him a moderate contract at 32? Yes. With that in mind, it doesn't make sense for him to shortchange himself by leaving money on the table. Get your owed monies now.

And yes. The only way he doesn't make it, is if a younger crop of CBs force the issue for Southgate. It's less than a year to the Euros. Southgate isn't a manager who goes for bold changes, he goes with his trusted players.
 

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De Jong wouldn’t leave Barca because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference?
The difference is that Barca owed him that money already. It wasnt about his future contract. Imo, completely different situations.
 

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De Jong wouldn’t leave Barca because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference?
De Jong will play for Barcelona. Harry Maguire won't.

I would also want the money, but he cannot portray this uber-professional standard either. He's in it for the money like most people are, and he's foregoing guaranteed football in exchange for the money.

Ultimately the only person responsible is the man who gave him the contract in 2019.
 

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Very risky for Maguire. He could now be frozen out of the team, or made to train with reserves/U21s. He was already going to get very little playing time and with the European Championships coming up after this season this could affect his England position.

Is he right to ask Utd to pay out what he is owed? Probably, but the long term risk for his career is massive. He won't get anywhere near the money we were paying him ever again and his value will continue to go down (along with wages at any new club) and he could end up in a situation like De Gea. No one will touch him due to wage demands.
 

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I really don't blame him for recognising that he'll never make this kind of money again and that he's approaching his twilight years. It's smart for him to dig his heels and stay put just as it was for Jones.

The blame lies with people like Ed Woodward and the other clowns handing out contracts at this club.
Oh yeah really helps us him digging his heels in when we are so strapped for cash
 

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see i hate that argument, because players cant have it both ways. There are many times when a player wants a move away, but they are still under contract. It goes both ways. So for me both sides need to be realistic, but i really dont get maguire as a realistic guy. Still remember him celebrating some little nothing goal against one of the euro trash minnows as if he had just vindicated himself or something
Maguire doesn't want it both ways though. He signed a contract and wants to get paid.
 

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see i hate that argument, because players cant have it both ways. There are many times when a player wants a move away, but they are still under contract. It goes both ways. So for me both sides need to be realistic, but i really dont get maguire as a realistic guy. Still remember him celebrating some little nothing goal against one of the euro trash minnows as if he had just vindicated himself or something
It does go both ways. A player can't force a move away unless the move also benefits the club. Look at Caicedo and Brighton. He's been itching for a move for over a season. Until recent, Brighton told him to feck off. Only when Chelsea came with a record breaking fee, did Brighton allow the move to happen. Look at Kane and Tottenham.

Contract. Contract. Contract.
 

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De Jong wasn’t wanted at Barcelona. He refused to leave because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference?
They aren't the same at all, Barca owed him unpaid wages for time he had already given them...

We've never withheld wage payement from Maguire and he's only owed the money as long as he's under employment with the club

Maguire is effectively holding the club random to compensate for lower wages elsewhere for accepting a move.

We didn't have to pay anyone else off for leaving this summer did we...
 

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It does go both ways. A player can't force a move away unless the move also benefits the club. Look at Caicedo and Brighton. He's been itching for a move for over a season. Until recent, Brighton told him to feck off. Only when Chelsea came with a record breaking fee, did Brighton allow the move to happen. Look at Kane and Tottenham.

Contract. Contract. Contract.
Fecked off beyond belief with this
 

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De Jong wasn’t wanted at Barcelona. He refused to leave because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference?
While I do think it's fine and indeed normal to pay Maguire 'some' of the difference between what we are paying him and what West Ham will pay him, it's really not the same situation as De Jong.

De Jong took a significant paycut in his first couple of seasons to help out his club with their financial woes, with the agreement that he would then get that money paid back to him in the last few years of his contract. Barca happily took those years of low wages, then did pretty much everything they could to force him out before they had to give him the wages that he'd deferred. It was utterly morally bankrupt from Barca and I would have been disgusted with the clubs behaviour if I was a fan. It wasn't the wages that Frenkie was still to earn, it was effectively the wages that the club already owed him for his time he'd already been at the club, taking advantage of a player who'd tried to help them out by deferring those wages to a later date.
 

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Ah well. Thought it was a long shot they'd sell him a few weeks ago, so not really that bothered by this.
 

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@AneRu Still think we should have taken a short term funding to get Kim and pack Maguire later? Stick to what you know mate. Leave the Financials to professionals.

@croadyman was the other one who criticized the club for not going for Kim because apparently we aren't serious enough . We can always sell Maguire later, right.

right @edcunited1878 ?
Not entirely sure of your angle, but a few folks, including those you've rightly called out have this strange narrative that financing and getting transfers are so easy.

The fact that Kim was not pursued by anyone else and didn't have concrete negotiations aside from Bayern shows how much Kim focused on Bayern and that's fine. Every other club missed out on him because it was the player who wasn't interested in the other clubs.
 

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So you didn't take a huge pay cut if you now work considerably less hours :lol:

And for a northerner, with a young family, settled not too far from their own families, moving to London probably is a huge downgrade in terms of his life comfortability. I'm a normal person and nobody could pay me enough to live near London.
You're arguing about what you would want now. The other poster has a point – he 'traded down' so to speak. Sure Maguire won't be putting in less hours, but the expectations would be far lower at West Ham, much less pressure. So the two situations are similar.

If Harry wants to be a total mercenary and play it by the letter of his contract he can, doesn't mean people can't see that for what it is – greed over self-respect and legacy.
 

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Express your disdain for the player if you want but please try to stay away from vitriolic things like calling a player cancer, calling them a cnut or asking fans to go to a players house to hound them out of the club. Be civilised normal people please. Thank you.
Do agree, though think you’re asking a lot here.