Pathetic fans booing Maguire

I don't for one second believe he was requested to leave a lucrative contract which has years to run emtpy handed.
Also he has to accept some concession on the amount as he is reiceving it upfront without having to kick a ball. Whatever the case, if this compensation is why the deal broke down its just too poor by both parties to not be able to meet somewhere in the middle. He (hopefully) won't play a lot play and we are stuck with a player no one wants. Just rubbish.
If he goes from 200k to 120k, he would loss about £8.2M over 2 years, so the £7M does feel like a settlement. Hopefully both parties can bang their heads together and come up with an agree to £6M paid in installations or something. It's a shite situation all around and the sooner it's resolved the better for us both. Mainly us so we can get in players that we actually want.
 
If he goes from 200k to 120k, he would loss about £8.2M over 2 years, so the £7M does feel like a settlement. Hopefully both parties can bang their heads together and come up with an agree to £6M paid in installations or something. It's a shite situation all around and the sooner it's resolved the better for us both. Mainly us so we can get in players that we actually want.
I think he is in 190k/week, so the difference should be 70k/week. Multiply it by 98 (6 weeks of the final 2 years are already done) which should be around 6.8m (I guess that's where the 7m omes from).

Of course, there should be a settlement. I do not think we need to give him 7m (remember, he is not playing for us), but we need to supplement parts of his salary, so he is incentivized to leave (that would be the carrot, I also think we need to give him the stick that he won't play a single minute for us regardless of injuries). Probably 4-5m would be a good deal for all sides. If he is insisting in 15m (as some report says) that is just taking the piss, essentially he wants to be paid as a United player while playing for West Ham, even in the two years after his United contract would have ended.
 
I actually think he wants to move. However, his agent would be doing a terrible job, if he let him do it without any compensation.
It's hard to say with the public talk and both parties' real feelings probably massively out of kilter. Maybe he's keen to move to ensure his place at the Euros, maybe he's fecked off with footie after all the shit and would rather pocket £8m, who knows?
 
Harry wants the money the club signed him to, as most of us would, but the club can relegate Harry to the reserves for the next two seasons and not even make the bench on match days. Harry, which will it be?
 
Harry wants the money the club signed him to, as most of us would, but the club can relegate Harry to the reserves for the next two seasons and not even make the bench on match days. Harry, which will it be?
This should be emphasised to him. We also need Southgate to say if hes not playing regular he wont be picked for the Euros. This would shift him, more than sitting on the bench and picking up his £200k a week for nothing.
 
I actually think he wants to move. However, his agent would be doing a terrible job, if he let him do it without any compensation.
Wasnt the issue they wanted a lump sum payment rather than it being amoritized over the course of his West Ham deal?
 
Harry wants the money the club signed him to, as most of us would, but the club can relegate Harry to the reserves for the next two seasons and not even make the bench on match days. Harry, which will it be?
Winston Bogarde says hold my beer, "harry come talk to winston..."
 
I think they even do that to their greatest players if they have a poor spell of form.

My perception is that players have it easy in England compared to the abuse from the stands in Italy and Spain. Think about Gareth Bale particularly, and the abuse he got despite his contribution to them. Harry hasn't quite hit those highs for us in comparison has he!

Gareth Bale provoked them though - remember the "Wales, Golf, Madrid" banner?
 
Jesse Lingard turned down West Ham to "fight for his place". I think he played once or twice in his last season?

Edit: 16 (!) appearances after the West Ham season. 2 starts, 14 as a sub.

Long road ahead for ol' Slabhead
 
Time for United to start acting like Real Madrid. Real Madrid have had players, much better and much bigger names than Maguire who didn’t want leave. What did RM do? Let them rot in the reserves.

Maguire will be different. The press will turn on ETH and talk about disrespecting a player. But it’s very clear the one doing the disrespecting is Maguire. To the club, its plans and his own standing as professional who wants to play.
 
Do you start booing uncontrollably if someone in your personal life tells you that they're not really interested in football? It's a job. Plenty of footballers don't really give a toss about the sport beyond that. A lot have said as much once safely retired and away from the wrath of the fans. Hell, I remember Ben White getting abuse a while back for saying he's not really interested in football, didn't even watch it as a kid and barely knew who Patrick Vieira was.

If you are only arguing about that part, I'll just assume you haven't read all I wrote and leave it at that.
 
Gareth Bale provoked them though - remember the "Wales, Golf, Madrid" banner?
Don’t you think the leak about Maguire might also be somewhat provocative and aimed at antagonising fans?
“ he wants to stay and fight for his place, feels settled at United and loves Man Utd”

All when it’s obvious that he’s not in the manager’s plans, is holding back the manager’s transfer plans, and was demanding millions to leave ?
 
Don’t you think the leak about Maguire might also be somewhat provocative and aimed at antagonising fans?
“ he wants to stay and fight for his place, feels settled at United and loves Man Utd”

All when it’s obvious that he’s not in the manager’s plans, is holding back the manager’s transfer plans, and was demanding millions to leave ?
honestly i wouldnt be shocked if the glazers werent loving the various outlets for fans to vent. It has seemingly distracted from the sale situation. Between the maguire situation, not finishing the transfer window strong due to lack of sales, the whole MG situation, and then the sale situation it might splinter the focus of the disgust
 
honestly i wouldnt be shocked if the glazers werent loving the various outlets for fans to vent. It has seemingly distracted from the sale situation. Between the maguire situation, not finishing the transfer window strong due to lack of sales, the whole MG situation, and then the sale situation it might splinter the focus of the disgust
Actually a very good point. The Maguire debacle and other situations you mentioned all takes attention away from the Glazers and their false sale.

On a side note. Another thing that’s been exploited, not necessarily the Glazers, but all the people with any type of reach who randomly tweeted, published, or said “Qatar sale imminent” need to have their finances investigated.

For example. Why did Rio say the deal was happening ? What was his source. Was he manipulating the markets, or was he exploited by people fake itk’s who used him to get the share price to pump. Not just Rio, all the journalist/pundits who have randomly popped up with “Qatar sale imminent” need to answer. Because there’s clearly been an easy avenue for people to profit from lies as long as their lies get heard by enough people.
 
Should change the title into "Fans booing pathetic Maguire"
Absolutely. No one would wish him a terrible career afterwards. But you're going to be rich, you 'v been offered a club that values your services and at which you'd play more effectively in relation to your skillset , you've had the chance to play consistently at a level, or at least a status within a team at that level, and for a wage that a majority of observers would say is disproportionate, and still you're leeching. It's pathetic and as discussed he should be grateful we don't have ultras haranguing him in a coordinated way every match, outside training and doing stuff like setting off fireworks at night outside his house when he refuses to move like in certain other major leagues....
 
I don't understand why people don't get this. Like they would accept circa 40 percent pay cut to leave their current jobs in real life.:lol:
A while ago now, but I actually took a gamble in my career and took a 15% cut to go to a startup that I felt had better potential and it worked for me but I understand it won't be a common course of action.
The situation Harry's got now could well make sense to take the WH offer, even on reduced terms after negotiation with us. Otherwise, OK, he might be the highest paid player in the world of reserve teams but that WH offer will look huge because his value will absolutely crater after not even benchwarming, no England appearances, legal issue.
So on a total return basis, it may well make sense.

It doesn't help his cause with the fans that it appears he's using the 'we need to sell in order to buy' as leverage. He's probably entitled to do so but taking that action is being seen by us, the fans and consumers as directly damaging our club's strategy.
I'm of the generation that held the view that nobody was bigger than the club. Nobody. And I think it's sparked a wave of that in our fanbase.
Sometimes the 'best deal' isn't always the one that delivers the most cash. I learned in my former career in trading that sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make.

If he's going to sit around when it's obvious his services are no longer required he will have to be in the reserves as I think it's poor for morale and to be honest, after that, he may as well retire.
I think he'd struggle to stay motivated and in top fitness and weight, he's aging and we've seen he's lacking in speed already.

I feel he's not getting great advice on the big picture, almost as if he's mentally checked out already so this wrangling seems a bit 'cheap' (poor choice of words, but you know what I mean!).

Strikes me as petulant and it won't help his cause with any of our fans who were non-committal.
 


It's more than the deficit of his loss of earnings between the 2 contracts (Roughly £7m), he apparently wants another£8m due to the fact that if he run his contract down he would be offered a huge signing on bonus apparently. A near 33 old Maguire with little game time in years is going to apparently get £8m signing on bonus? Can't make this stuff up.

Tell me again why we shouldnt boo this parasite?
 
Absolutely. No one would wish him a terrible career afterwards. But you're going to be rich, you 'v been offered a club that values your services and at which you'd play more effectively in relation to your skillset , you've had the chance to play consistently at a level, or at least a status within a team at that level, and for a wage that a majority of observers would say is disproportionate, and still you're leeching. It's pathetic and as discussed he should be grateful we don't have ultras haranguing him in a coordinated way every match, outside training and doing stuff like setting off fireworks at night outside his house when he refuses to move like in certain other major leagues....

It is not leeching; he signed the contract that Manutd offered. He has every right to claim what he is due and can stay if he wants.

It seems mad that people think he should be booed etc. just because he is collecting, and fulfilling, his side of the deal. Whether he plays or not is completely down to the club, so this idea of 'leeching' would actually be the club's choice. Maguire has never once said he wouldn't play/fulfill his part of the deal.

I'd understand if it was the latter, but that is not the case. He may not be good enough, but he has never refused to train or play. The contract never stats that you have to be good enough, so he is fulfilling his part of the bargain and is due the pay.
 




Tell me again why we shouldnt boo this parasite?


If true, that’s fairly astonishing. Asking for the difference between his wages over the next 2 years is a reasonable request but I wouldn’t pay anything more.
 
I strangely feel insulted by the thread title even though I haven't boo'ed. I have no problem with the boo'ing though.
 
The mentality that players deserve some kind of unconditional support is crazy. Maguire deserves every boo that comes his way. He can cry himself to sleep hugging all that cash.
 
If true, the club shouldn't pay that. He can sit on the bench or in the stands.
 
Don’t you think the leak about Maguire might also be somewhat provocative and aimed at antagonising fans?
he wants to stay and fight for his place, feels settled at United and loves Man Utd”

All when it’s obvious that he’s not in the manager’s plans, is holding back the manager’s transfer plans, and was demanding millions to leave ?

History's greatest monster. Wanting to fight for his place.
 
He will have earned the boos at this point. I understand him staying. It's the club's fault for giving out stupid contracts, but he had a chance to leave. He's brought it on himself.

Hopefully the money is worth the abuse and potentially losing his England spot.
 
He will have earned the boos at this point. I understand him staying. It's the club's fault for giving out stupid contracts, but he had a chance to leave. He's brought it on himself.

Hopefully the money is worth the abuse and potentially losing his England spot.

Completely agree and usually I'm against booing players/performances unless they have done something properly bad (players) or if a performance where they just couldn't be bothered (performances).

In this case however it's deserved - not even for wanting his full paycheck which he's contracted for and to be honest I wouldn't blame him as that's a feckload of money. The thing I cannot get onboard with is this insistence of him "fighting for his place". We all know that's a load of rubbish and he does too.

Just be honest and say you want to stay because you're getting paid a fortune and it's more than you'd getting anywhere else. It's your job at the end of the day, we all get paid and we all want more money. If I got paid a load of money for sitting on my arse the whole time I'd never leave the company I work for either.
 
He lives within capitalism and he's bloody right to get the money he's entitled to from his employers. He doesn't owe United a pay cut, he doesn't owe United an exit to create FFP breathing room, he doesn't owe United any of the benefits the club would get from him leaving. And his 'fight for my place' narrative is very smart because the club is inevitably going to build a PR narrative that makes Maguire look like a greedy, disgusting person, and the earnestness to stay does his reputation a lot of good. He's got no leverage to negotiate a great wage outside of the club, he should totally hang on.

United haven't been run by smart or decent people for a while now, I'm glad the players don't give a damn about them. The idea of the club doesn't equal to its business leadership. I don't mind him getting called out for performing badly, but it's silly to expect a player with a limited number of playing years to go 'oh that's all right, you can keep all the extra money I should be making'
 
He’s the gareth Bale of Manchester, minus the talent and trophies.

Well, we are stuck with him but at least he’s always fit and will be useful when the annual defensive crisis inevitably comes.
 
He’s the gareth Bale of Manchester, minus the talent and trophies.

Well, we are stuck with him but at least he’s always fit and will be useful when the annual defensive crisis inevitably comes.
I am overjoyed by the prospect of us having all functioning CBs injured and Maguire being fit to give a ball away to the opposition's attacker, or score an own goal. What a relief.
 
He lives within capitalism and he's bloody right to get the money he's entitled to from his employers. He doesn't owe United a pay cut, he doesn't owe United an exit to create FFP breathing room, he doesn't owe United any of the benefits the club would get from him leaving. And his 'fight for my place' narrative is very smart because the club is inevitably going to build a PR narrative that makes Maguire look like a greedy, disgusting person, and the earnestness to stay does his reputation a lot of good. He's got no leverage to negotiate a great wage outside of the club, he should totally hang on.

United haven't been run by smart or decent people for a while now, I'm glad the players don't give a damn about them. The idea of the club doesn't equal to its business leadership. I don't mind him getting called out for performing badly, but it's silly to expect a player with a limited number of playing years to go 'oh that's all right, you can keep all the extra money I should be making'
He is entitled to that money only when he stays here. We are under no obligation to pay him off to move on.
 
He is entitled to that money only when he stays here. We are under no obligation to pay him off to move on.
This. It's amazing how people are treating a normal transfer, the same as they would a termination of contract. Players get transferred all the time, they cannot be paid the remaining wages of their contract period. If Muguire wants to get the dough he should come out with a request to United to terminate his contract. Should United ask him for compensation for being so shit and all the points/success he has cost us over the years?
 
He will stay until end of his contract to collect all the money he is entitled to. Fans would continue to boo him on the pitch to express their discontent while the internet will continue to laugh at his meme.

Which means everything will continue to be in their right place.
 
He is entitled to that money only when he stays here. We are under no obligation to pay him off to move on.

Yeah, but he's not moving on, the club's moving him on because we don't think he's worth the money we pay him. West Ham just means likely regular football for him, and everything else is a downside - he's moving to a smaller club that competes for less and will pay him less. This transfer has a lot more wins for the club than it does for Maguire, he knows it and he's leveraging it. And good for him.
 
This. It's amazing how people are treating a normal transfer, the same as they would a termination of contract. Players get transferred all the time, they cannot be paid the remaining wages of their contract period. If Muguire wants to get the dough he should come out with a request to United to terminate his contract. Should United ask him for compensation for being so shit and all the points/success he has cost us over the years?

Yes, because usually a player moves to his next club at a higher wage and his projected earnings for the next few years increase, unless they're at the twilight of their careers, so they have no reason to ask for the rest of their contract value. In the case of United and the stupid wages we offer players, that's rarely the case. No club wants to pay our players the money we put on contract for them, which means a lot of our transfers in recent years either a) gives a discount to the buying club so that they raise the player's wages or b) give the player a pay out as persuasion to move.

We can't do (a) - because to reflect an FFP profit on him for the year, Maguire has to be sold for 30 mil plus. Honestly (b) is tough for us too. So we quietly suffer giving players stupid overinflated contracts, like we should, a bad business.
 
Yes, because usually a player moves to his next club at a higher wage and his projected earnings for the next few years increase, unless they're at the twilight of their careers, so they have no reason to ask for the rest of their contract value. In the case of United and the stupid wages we offer players, that's rarely the case. No club wants to pay our players the money we put on contract for them, which means a lot of our transfers in recent years either a) gives a discount to the buying club so that they raise the player's wages or b) give the player a pay out as persuasion to move.

We can't do (a) - because to reflect an FFP profit on him for the year, Maguire has to be sold for 30 mil plus. Honestly (b) is tough for us too. So we quietly suffer giving players stupid overinflated contracts, like we should, a bad business.
His career has twilighted long back. If he is so deluded not to understand that his problem and not United's.
 
His career has twilighted long back. If he is so deluded not to understand that his problem and not United's.

He's 30, which is often not too old for a center-back, and even then old players often see out their contracts and move to other clubs on a lesser contract on a free. If what you're saying is true, it makes even more sense for him to not move on unless he's paid the difference of his new pay-cut contract. This is his last payday by that logic.