It's not a shocking decision. It's the right decision. The backlash would have damaged the reputation of the club. He only has himself to blame
Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Best hasn’t played for decades, Giggs all came out after he left, Ronaldo has nowhere near the amount of evidence.
Having experienced that my sister got hit by her ex boyfriend, i find it it distasteful to see that people not standing by this position.
Who cares if someone get abused as long as we win some football games huh? feckin hell...
Who cares if someone get abused as long as we win some football games huh? feckin hell...
You seem to have missed out this bit:
In a statement in February, the CPS said: "In this case a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction."
We don't know what this is and never will but I do know everyone was saying Mendy was guilty from day one but two juries disagreed. We do not know anything like the full story and the evidence was never testing in court - and wasn't strong enough to put to a court
She leaked all the pics of her with busted lip / bruises etc.. She had only one goal there (if it didnt happen), make it out like he was beating her up. Im assuming she done it late one night with a drink in her and instantly regretted it as i think she tried to delete, but damage was done.
Im not sure how the audio clip got out there.. but its from her phone, so she's def sent that to someone. And for me me theres no debate whats going on in that
My point is, if thats the case, going by this statement, and she has in fact made it out that he beat her up when he didnt. thats pretty damning on her end. If my missus done that, she wouldnt be my missus anymore! simple as!
The club do not have access to all of the evidence as they have outlined in their statement.
I suspect (or hope) that comes from the player's side to give him wriggle room with other clubs.
I’ll give it 2 years before he’s back in the PL.
Pretty much, I think this is actually very sad
Why is then the club saying this? Wouldn't the statement be much easier without it? They're basically siding with Greenwood. "Based on the evidence available to us, we have concluded that the material posted online did not provide a full picture and that Mason did not commit the offences in respect of which he was originally charged".
They're saying he's gone because the public made up their minds about him.
I don't understand this. Then again it's United, we're a shit show of a club.
They just said he didn't do what he was accused of? How is that his fault?
Surely the people who make posts like this can’t be more than 14 years old?
So you dont know.
Not only is there not any clarification on whats happening with him, but the statement also says he didnt do it.
The correct decision. I said that I felt the 'withdrawal of key witnesses and new information' probably meant that she dropped allegations and made an alternative explanation for the whole thing. And that looks to be true, anything else said by the club is saving face.
You think the majority of United fans post on internet forums & subscribe to The Athletic or are you extrapolating the views of the extreme section that spends days/weeks typing away on their keyboards like we all do on here?
It’s for the best, even ignoring the obvious moral standpoint, the club and Mason himself don’t need the scrutiny. Let him go and play his football elsewhere and see how he gets on.
I don’t know if we will be loaning him or selling him, but hopefully he permanently moves and we can reinvest the funds into the squad. If he keeps playing the additional evidence will eventually surface I think, it will be interesting to see how it develops.
I don’t know if we will be loaning him or selling him, but hopefully he permanently moves and we can reinvest the funds into the squad. If he keeps playing the additional evidence will eventually surface I think, it will be interesting to see how it develops.
The correct decision.
Can see him heading to Saudi or Turkey.
His career in the UK is over.
Can see him heading to Saudi or Turkey.
His career in the UK is over.
There should never have been any stupid half-baked club-led enquiry into his guilt in the first place.
Tell Greenwood he brought the club into disrepute so can either go out on a season loan or be sold. All Arnold and co should have done.
Tell Greenwood he brought the club into disrepute so can either go out on a season loan or be sold. All Arnold and co should have done.
If we didn't let him play for us he'll never play in the prem again, so I'm not sure where this comes from.
Imagine the backlash if he joins City or Arsenal when we just ditched him because of what happened. Grow up....
Absolutely correct. The only outcome. Him staying will distract the club's goals this season. Greenwood would be a bigger distraction to the squad than Ronaldo last season.We all heard the tape and saw the pics. I dont care what cock and bull story that he and his girlfriend made up after the fact to help clear his name. He did what he was accused of and had she not dropped the charges, i'm sure he would have been found guilty. We all heard him forcing himself on her when she told him to stop. We all saw the pictures.....
Of course, it is her prerogative to stick with him regardless of what he did to her, but you have to wonder, if the money, fame, lifestyle and pressure from family was not there, would she have continued with the charges?
The club have botched the process, but they have come to the right conclusion in the end.
Giggs has definitely suffered because of his scandals. The moment it came out, he's gone from future United manager to almost forgotten. He's not got a chance in hell of becoming United manager now and we barely hear his chants at Old Trafford anymore.
As a pure footballing decision it's very regrettable. What we would all give for a fit and firing Mason Greenwood in the side right now.
But the public nature of the case and the trial by social media has done the damage, he is perceived guilty despite never having been found guilty of any wrong doing.
We will never know what truly happened
The brave decision if they genuinely believe no wrong doing, and that the whole sorry affair is behind both Mason and ******* would of been to bring him back. Wouldn't of been popular or easy of course and it would go come with plenty of noise.
They have taken the easy route, maybe it's the best for all parties, and with all the noise around it I understand why the decisions has been taken. But it's the team that will suffer because of it. Someone is going to get a generational talent in Greenwood playing for them, but it wont be us.
But the public nature of the case and the trial by social media has done the damage, he is perceived guilty despite never having been found guilty of any wrong doing.
We will never know what truly happened
The brave decision if they genuinely believe no wrong doing, and that the whole sorry affair is behind both Mason and ******* would of been to bring him back. Wouldn't of been popular or easy of course and it would go come with plenty of noise.
They have taken the easy route, maybe it's the best for all parties, and with all the noise around it I understand why the decisions has been taken. But it's the team that will suffer because of it. Someone is going to get a generational talent in Greenwood playing for them, but it wont be us.
I find it hard to understand that people can not accept that there is an overlap between being found "not guilty" by a court, and still not have enough moral to play for United.
I don’t know why you have to say that. We don’t even know what the hell happened. On the balance of speculation he might have behaved idiotically at times but, quite possibly, it is not as bad as it’s been made out. A large contingent on here have been acting judge, jury and executioner without any of the facts.
It should also be remembered that he’s barely more than a child. Loads of people do stupid stuff when they are young but sometimes there is no serious harm done and those young, foolish people grow up and become good, caring and honest people.
Have you met Thomas Partey?
Because the club is led by morons. Think about it this way, the statement from the CPS was that they dropped the case due to a combination of key witnesses withdrawing and new material, not becasue they determined that he was innocent or that anything proved that he was innocent. And for people wondering what "new material" could be, it could simply a different statement from a witness.
The point being that from a legal standpoint there are many ways to get away these things but from a moral standpoint there is only one way, the audio would have to be fake which has been determined by no one and in fact everyone seem to accept the audio as authentic including Greenwood.
I think they had to say it to be fair.
I said a few days ago when a few got their little domestic abuse supporting minds in a tiff that the club investigation was limited. Well they've just confirmed it, once the victim dropped charges the club could not make a reasonable belief determination he was guilty.
That's all that statement is, a reflection that they deem him guilty but can't say it. MG in his statement has basically said the same and as expected the standard tactic of denying guilt but apologsing.
Higher standards in the UK?
Which she never did, she just dropped the charges to continue being with her unapologetic abuser, for the sake of the child and financial support.
Very sad.
The club probably wanted to sweep it under the rug and not have to replace him.
It’s difficult to ever gauge the majority opinion, but anecdotally all my United supporting mates who are local and attend matches told me they’d stop if he came back into the team.
I’m not sure if they actually would’ve gone that far, but it’s clear that they were unanimously against his return.
He won't play in the Prem for at least another 4 or 5 years.... if ever.
The withdrawal of key witnesses which you haven't highlighted is also a key statement. If witnesses do not provided that testimony, there is less chance of conviction.
People are so narrow minded and judgmental. But he did brought it upon himself. Best decision for both the club and him.
Dittothey basically admit that they didn't think Greenwood was wrong but they cave to public pressure to let him go. Bunch of idiots
Should have taken this decision long time ago. Complete waste of time.
The correct decision.
Man had the world at his feet and he threw it away. He had everything to become a legend here. What a waste.
Man had the world at his feet and he threw it away. He had everything to become a legend here. What a waste.
Way worse than Ronaldo. Which is why i am surprised than Ten Hag would even contemplate bringing him back.