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Should the we be worried about this? Shifting balance of power and world order? India being part of this concerns me, I always assumed they were more aligned to the US/UK.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 

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A number of countries looking to cement their position as a member of the geopolitical elite.
 

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Moston Red said:
Should the we be worried about this? Shifting balance of power and world order? India being part of this concerns me, I always assumed they were more aligned to the US/UK.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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India has a long history of non-alignment :confused:

They see themselves as rivals to China and cooperate with the West on many issues but I think they see themselves as neutral. Hence the hedging on the Ukraine war.

But I don't think there is much to worry about, even if BRICS establishes themselves as an axis to reckon with.
 

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adexkola said:
India has a long history of non-alignment :confused:

They see themselves as rivals to China and cooperate with the West on many issues but I think they see themselves as neutral. Hence the hedging on the Ukraine war.

But I don't think there is much to worry about, even if BRICS establishes themselves as an axis to reckon with.
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Apologies I’m fairly ignorant when it comes to geopolitics and especially Brics. I did think India were neutral but this doesn’t look like neutrality, it looks like a sides been chosen.
 

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I saw an mini-docu on this and the conclusion was: meh, no need to worry. Their combined power is not that great and some of the "alliances" are a bit... odd?
 

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Moston Red said:
Apologies I’m fairly ignorant when it comes to geopolitics and especially Brics. I did think India were neutral but this doesn’t look like neutrality, it looks like a sides been chosen.
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We're all ignorant to a degree no worries :)

India and China are funny. They're both jostling for regional dominance in Asia, they have an active border conflict, yet are closely intertwined through this forum and other means. Meanwhile India is in the Quad with the US. No clean division of sides.
 

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adexkola said:
We're all ignorant to a degree no worries :)

India and China are funny. They're both jostling for regional dominance in Asia, they have an active border conflict, yet are closely intertwined through this forum and other means. Meanwhile India is in the Quad with the US. No clean division of sides.
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The Quad, I've never heard that one. Just reading up on it now, thanks for that :)
 

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It's funny that the big cheese of BRICS can't even travel to a summit in another BRICS country because he might be arrested for war crimes.
 

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For all of it's luster, Brics will always have a hard time getting anything concrete and of consequence accomplished. Their interests are far too divergent other than wanting to challenge the rules/structures set down by the Anglo-european world (WTO, IMF, World Bank etc). China and Russia are a completely different place in how they want to deal with the US than Brazil or India. And the talk of expansion while politically resonant, doesn't really move the needle in economic terms.
 

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Putin isn’t attending so as not to put the South Africans in the uncomfortable position of having to arrest him.

Odd bedfellows these countries, considering the Russian war, Chinese-Indian traditional antipathy …..and two left-leaning institutions in power in Brazil & South Africa
 

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If you had Pakistan instead of Brazil it would have been fully descriptive.
 

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T00lsh3d said:
Putin isn’t attending so as not to put the South Africans in the uncomfortable position of having to arrest him.

Odd bedfellows these countries, considering the Russian war, Chinese-Indian traditional antipathy …..and two left-leaning institutions in power in Brazil & South Africa
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They're floating their own currency as alternative to petro-dollar and getting dozens of nations involved. 3bn/7bn immediately involved through Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa anyway.
 

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Feck Putin, Emperor Xi and Modi but my view on Western hegemony of world order has hardened in the last year. Especially when it comes to Africa. African countries should always act in their own self-interest. If working with Russia, China and the like is better for our continent, economically, we should tell the Yanks to feck off.
 

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This is concerning for the US dollar, especially if that bloc decides to move off the USD. Huge implications for USD, Treasuries etc. Early innings still, but not good to gift wrap Russia+India to China.
 

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India & China for the foreseeable future are unlikely to become buddies. South Africa has big issues. So has Russia.

I don't yet buy this notion that the BRICS countries will form some counter-bloc against the West.
 

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The type of shift that they are attempting will only lead to more conflict and ramp up the possibility of wars. We need less of this kind of stuff not more. In a world where there is significant challenges laying ahead, particularly around climate and debt, it's more harmony and cooperation between major countries to come up with solutions that is needed.

It seems to me that with China and Russia's economic woes, they are driving all this in an attempt to stay relevant on the world stage. They don't have the leverage to compete or have a say with the G7 nations and western policy, so are simply trying to throw a spanner into the global economy, looking for opportunities to capitalise when smaller countries economies collapse and Russia and China attempt to gain power and influence over them. We've seen China doing this across much of Africa in the last decade, with their various initiatives and also expanding their military bases too.
Either way it's not going to benefit anyone, we are all going to be poorer for this egotistical attempt to vie for global superiority. This is just pathetic leaders who want to leave their mark in history but will cause more misery and damage.
 

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maximus419 said:
The type of shift that they are attempting will only lead to more conflict and ramp up the possibility of wars. We need less of this kind of stuff not more. In a world where there is significant challenges laying ahead, particularly around climate and debt, it's more harmony and cooperation between major countries to come up with solutions that is needed.

It seems to me that with China and Russia's economic woes, they are driving all this in an attempt to stay relevant on the world stage. They don't have the leverage to compete or have a say with the G7 nations and western policy, so are simply trying to throw a spanner into the global economy, looking for opportunities to capitalise when smaller countries economies collapse and Russia and China attempt to gain power and influence over them. We've seen China doing this across much of Africa in the last decade, with their various initiatives and also expanding their military bases too.
Either way it's not going to benefit anyone, we are all going to be poorer for this egotistical attempt to vie for global superiority. This is just pathetic leaders who want to leave their mark in history but will cause more misery and damage.
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Its just a reflection of the multi-polar world that we are heading into and BRICS is just an attempt to reflect that. Its addressing the change for the next 50 years.



Besides, it's not like the Western alliance has been so altruistic in its approach towards the 3rd World. Most alliances or even countries are basically self-serving but cloaked in some political jingoism.

You just have to look at the history and the colonial past of the Western nations and see why as the poorer countries get richer they would like to offer an alternative.

The lack of accountability for the crimes of the past -- most recently Invasion of Iraq (otherwise known as Halliburton's search of WMD) goes unpunished. Many in the 3rd World see the West's geo-political intrusions as purely hypocritical.

Personally, everyone's got blood on their hands regardless of whether they are claiming to be do-gooders or otherwise. All sides whether the Taliban or ISIS will always claim they are doing the right thing.

Also, we just have been brainwashed to think in terms of binary choices -- this way it boxes us into simplistic choices. And not look at things objectively. Gamification of politics. Red vs. Blue.

Good guys versus bad guys.

That's the stage we are in.
 
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Thread about the Indian Dear Leader's alleged tantrum and the resultant actions of his acolytes back home:

@Ish @Shakesy, is this publication reliable?
 

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sglowrider said:
Its just a reflection of the multi-polar world that we are heading into and BRICS is just an attempt to reflect that. Its addressing the change for the next 50 years.



Besides, it's not like the Western alliance has been so altruistic in its approach towards the 3rd World. Most alliances or even countries are basically self-serving but cloaked in some political jingoism.

You just have to look at the history and the colonial past of the Western nations and see why as the poorer countries get richer they would like to offer an alternative.

The lack of accountability for the crimes of the past -- most recently Invasion of Iraq (otherwise known as Halliburton's search of WMD) goes unpunished. Many in the 3rd World see the West's geo-political intrusions as purely hypocritical.

Personally, everyone's got blood on their hands regardless of whether they are claiming to be do-gooders or otherwise. All sides whether the Taliban or ISIS will always claim they are doing the right thing.

Also, we just have been brainwashed to think in terms of binary choices -- this way it boxes us into simplistic choices. And not look at things objectively. Gamification of politics. Red vs. Blue.

Good guys versus bad guys.

That's the stage we are in.
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Have you seen China's recent economic performance and demographic numbers? No way they over take the US by 2050. Probably not by 2075 either.
 
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