Of course it's a penalty. Such clumsy and rash defending doesn't deserve the 'Get out of jail free card' of being termed "jostling". One man is interested in the ball - the other isn't. Zero bias involved. If it looks like a duck, swims likes a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a flamin' duck!
Hojlund penalty shout vs Gabriel | Was it a penalty?
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Seen them given but it was never going to be overturned.
Its one of those ones if the attacker does that to the defender, that's always given as a free kick to the defending team. But seldom given the other way.
No. Garnacho was onside, though
Said it yesterday - not a pen for me. If it had been given against us I'd have been raging. Sort of thing that happens every week in the prem - they're rarely given.
Definitely a penalty.
This is what happens when managers of other teams and people in the press cry loudly about United getting any kind of decision in their favour. This season against Wolves, and Forest we haven’t heard the end of it. Feck em all.
Would have been harsh if a pen was given for that. Those rarely go the attacker's way especially when another defender is there to nick the ball off him.
If it was given against us I'd imagine we would be pretty livid.
If it was given against us I'd imagine we would be pretty livid.
I don’t see these not given week in week out? Not sure where people are coming at with that. If that was the other way round and Maguire did that on Saka it would be news for a week and a lot of United fans saying this wasn’t would be slating Maguire for a stupid act.
It’s a penalty
It’s a penalty
None of the analysts have stated this as the reason. They just say not enough contact, etc. strange to me as he is pulling him back from behind, as you can see Hojlund get past him and Gabriel actually having to lean forward to hook his arm around him.
Lets see what happens if Varane does this to Jesus at OT...
Anywhere else on the pitch and it’s an immediate foul and probably a booking.
so yes it was a penalty
so yes it was a penalty
Penalty. That's not just a collision, he's got his entire arm around him.
It’s a penalty. That’s given as a foul outside the box all day long. But, there seems to be a higher bar that some fouls need to meet in the penalty box.
this
Would be a soft one if given but not entirely absurd given some we have seen in the last few years with VAR. All the "100%" pen "stonewall" "blatant" calls are going too far though.
Without going into consistency of refereeing, I wouldn't want this to be considered a penalty in the game. The term "stonewall penalty" is completely meaningless if we're applying it to situations like these.
Hojlund also grabbed Gabriel's arm so it was jostling since there was contact by both players. That doesn't even take in to account how easily Hojland fell. Never a penalty in a million years. Saka's potential red card challenge was far more controversial.
Despite it being somewhat close, he was definitely offside.
what exactly is a stonewall
Well you're consistent if nothing else!
Shame the same can't be said about the reffing in the prem.
Yeah, could be right on that too, more his arm. I'm still not convinced it's stone wall, but I can see the strong arguments for it being a pen.
Found the incident! Was against Newcastle, not West Ham. 100% a penalty, in my opinion. Same situation where a defender tries to get between the attacker and the ball but lets the ball get away from him and does nothing other than knock the attacker to the ground.
Includes some mind bending justification from Dermot Gallagher for VAR not righting the wrong.
I'd give the Holjund penalty and 3 bonus retakes before i give Saka a red for that challenge
We could all see what Gabriel was hoping to achieve. He wanted to shield Højlund off/ease him out of it. However, Højlund's acceleration took Gabriel by surprise and he got himself in front of the defender - only to be taken out.
Zero doubt that's a pen. A foul would be given outside the box for it.
No mention of Hojland grabbing his arm? Cool story.
And no he did not get in front of him
He can’t because he’s chatting bollocks.
Same challenge Macallister was given a red for.I'd give the Holjund penalty and 3 bonus retakes before i give Saka a red for that challenge
In real-time, I didn't think it was a penalty. However, the more and more I see it, I definitely think it is one. Hojlund has been taken down completely and there's no attempt to play the ball. I honestly don't know how a referee can look at that type of 'challenge' and agree that it's ok and legal within the laws of the game.
Decisions and goals change games. It's at a crucial point in the game and could have swung the ending result as the pattern for the rest of the game would have been affected had we then gone on to score that penalty. This is the bit that I don't think referees grasp when they don't give key decisions or make incorrect calls. It's never just an incident in isolation. It actually does have repercussions for the rest of the game.
Had the referee given it, then I don't think VAR would have overturned it. It's baffling, tbh. I hate the randomness of these decisions. City probably get that penalty at the Etihad.
Decisions and goals change games. It's at a crucial point in the game and could have swung the ending result as the pattern for the rest of the game would have been affected had we then gone on to score that penalty. This is the bit that I don't think referees grasp when they don't give key decisions or make incorrect calls. It's never just an incident in isolation. It actually does have repercussions for the rest of the game.
Had the referee given it, then I don't think VAR would have overturned it. It's baffling, tbh. I hate the randomness of these decisions. City probably get that penalty at the Etihad.
Well you got me convinced now you compared it to a challenge and red card that was so universally mocked it got overturned 48h later.
Oh dear god. Just had a thought of it. All hell would break loose.
Yes he did. That’s why Gabriel failed to get on the ball. Which was the only legitimate excuse for him initiating contact like that.
Gabriel full on wraps his left hand around Hojlund to stop him. Yeah sure, no penalty no questions.
Yes, clearly. The goal was also onside.
I don’t think it was a red either but I think it’s more controversial than the penalty shout
From I can see he got beside him, Gabriel sticks his arm out to shield him, he grabs his arm, the Gabriel grabs his body If he was in front of him he wouldn’t need to grab his arm
If you don't think it was a penalty, then try this: close your eyes and imagine that exact same incident, but Hojlund is Saka and Gabriel is Martinez. Does it get given?
This was posted on Reddit and even Liverpool fans were saying it's a stonewaller.
No, because Gabriel’s arm was around Hoiland’s waist before Hoijland made contact. Hoijland also didn’t lose his balance until Gabriel made contact. The cool story is simply the rules. Get to know them.