Out of control dogs/dog attacks

[langster]

My mate trains Police dogs and has also trained sheep dogs too, even he says to me that you can have the best behaved dog in the world, the friendliest dog ever, and it can have amazing recall. 99 times out of 100 the dog will come back if trained properly, but there's always that one time, and you can never be sure when that one time will be, especially around other dogs or if they get a whiff of a cat, rabbit or fox and just go after it.

Dogs sense things we don't and they also will just meet another dog they just don't like at all. I trained my fox red lab from a puppy during lockdown and I had him sorted, he would always come back, but then one time he didn't and he ended up half fighting with a much smaller dog who he just wouldn't leave alone and that was on a lead. His owner was upset and as I have had dogs come up to him and start a fight numerous times I instantly apologised and now never let him off his lead, even in the giant fields we have at the back of our house. We now pay to take him to a private field once a week where you book an hours time slot and they can run around to their hearts content.

I remember you used to have to have a license for your dog in the UK, but for some reason they scrapped it. I think it should be brought back and that chipping dogs should.be compulsory too.

 

[The Corinthian]

When you go to places like Turkey, which has wild dogs throughout the country, incidents that we're seeing here (dogs attacking kids, etc) is so rare out there. Dog packs end up fighting with other packs, but dog fighting with humans is very rare.

Maybe dogs should just be wild and free, like in Turkey.

 

[RobinLFC]

My mate trains Police dogs and has also trained sheep dogs too, even he says to me that you can have the best behaved dog in the world, the friendliest dog ever, and it can have amazing recall. 99 times out of 100 the dog will come back if trained properly, but there's always that one time, and you can never be sure when that one time will be, especially around other dogs or if they get a whiff of a cat, rabbit or fox and just go after it.

Dogs sense things we don't and they also will just meet another dog they just don't like at all. I trained my fox red lab from a puppy during lockdown and I had him sorted, he would always come back, but then one time he didn't and he ended up half fighting with a much smaller dog who he just wouldn't leave alone and that was on a lead. His owner was upset and as I have had dogs come up to him and start a fight numerous times I instantly apologised and now never let him off his lead, even in the giant fields we have at the back of our house. We now pay to take him to a private field once a week where you book an hours time slot and they can run around to their hearts content.

I remember you used to have to have a license for your dog in the UK, but for some reason they scrapped it. I think it should be brought back and that chipping dogs should.be compulsory too.

I run almost daily with my aussie and she's off leash then, but yeah I have to be on the lookout that we don't encounter other dogs. I trust mine a lot and she stays with me but you never know what the other might do, so there's that.

My sister-in-law has a 9-month old baby and that's what I'm most anxious about, he just started crawling, so now I never take our dog off leash when he's around; wouldn't be able to forgive myself if anything happened to him. Even though she's playful around him, she does make some unexpected movements, does not know her own power and impact and a dog is still a dog. Sister-in-law has a 10-year old toller retriever herself and she literally trusts him with the baby everywhere, even left alone. I don't get that but it's her own responsibility at least.

 

[SilentWitness]

Whenever I go into Lewisham centre or walk around near where I live here, I will see at least one or two of the dangerous dogs and they are rabid. Terrifies me whenever they're in the vicinity of children playing.

 

[Glorio]

Whenever I go into Lewisham centre or walk around near where I live here, I will see at least one or two of the dangerous dogs and they are rabid. Terrifies me whenever they're in the vicinity of children playing.

You live in Lewisham or thereabouts? Used to live in Grove Park

 

[Wheato]

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to learn that most of these folk who can't even be arsed putting their dog on a leash don't bother with the simplest levels of training either. They're usually the twats you see coming along the road you're walking your own dog, shouting "he's fine, he's dog friendly". Well, my dog isn't dog friendly when it comes to bigger dogs, because he was once attacked by one, so he'll be very nervous hence why I've got him on a fecking leash. And if your dog is just running up to him what am I meant to do at that point?

My dog doesn't go for other dogs, he doesn't go for people, he's incredibly friendly. Guess what? He still stays on the fecking leash.

We live in the country, so the dog is off the lead most of the time. I would only use the lead in busy places or near roads.

His favourite thing in the world is to retrieve a ball. He also won't shit while on the lead. So you have to let him go for a little run before his bowels are ready.

Being a lab retriever, he is hyper focused on his ball, and doesn't bother with other people or dogs. Maybe a fleeting sniff, but nothing more.

 

[flameinthesun]

I run almost daily with my aussie and she's off leash then, but yeah I have to be on the lookout that we don't encounter other dogs. I trust mine a lot and she stays with me but you never know what the other might do, so there's that.

My sister-in-law has a 9-month old baby and that's what I'm most anxious about, he just started crawling, so now I never take our dog off leash when he's around; wouldn't be able to forgive myself if anything happened to him. Even though she's playful around him, she does make some unexpected movements, does not know her own power and impact and a dog is still a dog. Sister-in-law has a 10-year old toller retriever herself and she literally trusts him with the baby everywhere, even left alone. I don't get that but it's her own responsibility at least.

If she stays with you why not keep her on a leash whilst running with her?

 

[Glorio]

Completely agree. It really pisses me off when I am walking with my dog on a leash and you have some one walking and sometimes running with a dog without a leash. It is so arrogant that they think the dog is so well trained etc. Perhaps that is the case but where I live dogs have to be on leashes!

On the way to my daughters' school (they're only little - 6 & 4 years old), there's this clown that decides to walk his massive Rottweiler with no leash around the school. I tend to wonder, if it goes for a small kid, what could he do in time to prevent serious injury or death? Not much at all.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

We live in the country, so the dog is off the lead most of the time. I would only use the lead in busy places or near roads.

His favourite thing in the world is to retrieve a ball. He also won't shit while on the lead. So you have to let him go for a little run before his bowels are ready.

Being a lab retriever, he is hyper focused on his ball, and doesn't bother with other people or dogs. Maybe a fleeting sniff, but nothing more.

The countryside I can totally understand, but I'm thinking more about public parks where it's quite busy and it's not a big open area.

 

[Stanley Road]

Whenever I go into Lewisham centre or walk around near where I live here, I will see at least one or two of the dangerous dogs and they are rabid. Terrifies me whenever they're in the vicinity of children playing.

Is there anything nice about Lewisham?

 

[Eric_the_Red99]

When you go to places like Turkey, which has wild dogs throughout the country, incidents that we're seeing here (dogs attacking kids, etc) is so rare out there. Dog packs end up fighting with other packs, but dog fighting with humans is very rare.

Maybe dogs should just be wild and free, like in Turkey.

Haha I don't think so.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/student-mauled-pack-wild-dogs-26685145

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-dog-abuse-video-stray-policy-debate

From the second article: "The country has also witnessed a reported surge in deaths caused by stray dogs. Since the beginning of 2022, stray dogs have killed an estimated 27 people and wounded 535."

 

[RobinLFC]

If she stays with you why not keep her on a leash whilst running with her?

She stays with me when I give her the command, should have clarified that. She likes to go in rivers, pools and stuff, and just sniff around here and there. In busy parts of the woods I just have her on leash as there's too many people around anyway, but in the remote areas you can run around without meeting anyone.

 

[Glorio]

It's getting really concerning.
I'm actually surprised I don't hear similar horror stories with the large, formidable livestock guardian "breeds" like the Kangal, Anatolian shepherd, Alabai, Volkodav, Caucasian Sheep dog, Tibetan Mastiff, etc. (Maybe they're not popular as pets?)


If anyone watches HB Kennel videos, those dogs can do damage, and almost behave like wild pack animals - fighting everything from wolves, striped hyenas, snow leopards, lynxes, and even brown bears as just another day at the office

 

[Solius]

There's still feck all from the government about this. Useless twats.

 

[SilentWitness]

Is there anything nice about Lewisham?

Millwall baby.

 

[SilentWitness]

You live in Lewisham or thereabouts? Used to live in Grove Park

In Lewisham borough yeah. Close to Grove Park!

 

[Glorio]

There's still feck all from the government about this. Useless twats.

Saw this weirdly enough this morning before I stumbled upon this thread:

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/suella-braverman-seeking-urgent-advice-185000922.html

 

[Solius]

Saw this weirdly enough this morning before I stumbled upon this thread:

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/suella-braverman-seeking-urgent-advice-185000922.html

Might be the first normal thought she's ever had.

 

[Penna]

Those American XL Bullies are American Pitbulls on steroids, just look at their musculature and their jaws. The latter are banned in the UK, so why not the former? Mastiff-type dogs are more dangerous because of the power of their bite, their strength and the fact that if they want to do something, there's no way their handler can stop them. They're simply too heavy and strong, plus they have the aggressive instinct.

edit - and we get owners of these breeds saying "lots of dogs bite, why not ban Jack Russells?" The answer is because you can kick a Jack Russell off someone and they usually weigh under 10 kilos. XL Bullies can be up to 65-ish kilos.

 

[Dan_F]

My mate trains Police dogs and has also trained sheep dogs too, even he says to me that you can have the best behaved dog in the world, the friendliest dog ever, and it can have amazing recall. 99 times out of 100 the dog will come back if trained properly, but there's always that one time, and you can never be sure when that one time will be, especially around other dogs or if they get a whiff of a cat, rabbit or fox and just go after it.

Dogs sense things we don't and they also will just meet another dog they just don't like at all. I trained my fox red lab from a puppy during lockdown and I had him sorted, he would always come back, but then one time he didn't and he ended up half fighting with a much smaller dog who he just wouldn't leave alone and that was on a lead. His owner was upset and as I have had dogs come up to him and start a fight numerous times I instantly apologised and now never let him off his lead, even in the giant fields we have at the back of our house. We now pay to take him to a private field once a week where you book an hours time slot and they can run around to their hearts content.

I remember you used to have to have a license for your dog in the UK, but for some reason they scrapped it. I think it should be brought back and that chipping dogs should.be compulsory too.

The problem is that these dogs are so big and strong, regardless of their temperament 99% of the time. The BBC article has a quote from an owner of one of these dogs moaning that Jack Russells should also be banned because they’ve bitten other people, completely ignoring that you can just toe punt it in the face to stop it.

 

[Stanley Road]

Millwall baby.

Yeah alright.

Whenever I go to Blackheath I usually bus it to sainsbury in Lewisham to pick up my goodies

 

[Sara125]

Proposals in place to make the XL the 5th banned breed in the UK

 

[We need an rvn]

Proposals in place to make the XL the 5th banned breed in the UK

God only knows how many people will get hurt or die because of this breed before they actually sanction it though - and it's 100% the right call.

The follow up question I have is what happens to the dogs once the breed is classed as banned? Are owners of these dogs legally enforced to hand the dogs over to the police to be put down (which as a dog owner myself, I can't see anyone doing). Breeding will obviously be illegal but that won't stop a lot of people from doing it so should there be jail term for illegal breeders?

 

[Ekkie Thump]

God only knows how many people will get hurt or die because of this breed before they actually sanction it though - and it's 100% the right call.

The follow up question I have is what happens to the dogs once the breed is classed as banned? Are owners of these dogs legally enforced to hand the dogs over to the police to be put down (which as a dog owner myself, I can't see anyone doing). Breeding will obviously be illegal but that won't stop a lot of people from doing it so should there be jail term for illegal breeders?

RSPCA says this. I guess the middle passage sort of answers your question:

What happens to banned types?​

Dogs suspected of being a banned type are typically seized by the police who unfortunately have no choice but to implement the law.​

These dogs will be held in kennels away from their owner, whilst being assessed to determine if they’re a banned type. They’ll be examined by an expert using a set of standards which are mainly based on appearance; genetics or parentage aren’t taken into consideration. Applying the law means that many dogs are unnecessarily subjected to stressful processes. Many dogs find these processes very difficult to cope with and can result in undesirable changes in health and behaviour.​

Some dogs can return home under strict conditions​

Banned types who are owned can be lawfully kept and exempt from euthanasia if they don't pose any risk to public safety and the owner is considered fit and proper. However, conditions must be met for the rest of the dog's life which can negatively impact its welfare. For example, being muzzled and on-lead whenever in public.​

​

Sadly, not all dogs get to return home to their owners.​

Banned types can’t be rehomed​

Dogs taken into rehoming organisations and found to be of a prohibited type cannot legally be rehomed to members of the general public and so the only option is euthanasia.​

https://www.rspca.org.uk/whatwedo/endcruelty/changingthelaw/bsl​

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Proposals in place to make the XL the 5th banned breed in the UK

Good.

 

[BlueMoonOutcast]

I have a rottweiler and he's honestly a giant baby.

I'd be lying if I said I haven't wondered would I be able to stop him if he turned one day though.

He weighs 130lbs (about 60kg) and as much as I love and trust him I never leave him alone with kids or let him off the lead out in public.

 

[P-Ro]

I have a rottweiler and he's honestly a giant baby.

I'd be lying if I said I haven't wondered would I be able to stop him if he turned one day though.

He weighs 130lbs (about 60kg) and as much as I love and trust him I never leave him alone with kids or let him off the lead out in public.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Is there anything nice about Lewisham?

The road out is nice.

 

[massey]

I used to live in charlton this is like a south east london meet up board

 

[Solius]

Proposals in place to make the XL the 5th banned breed in the UK

Good. I don’t know why it took this random street attack for it to gain so much traction and not multiple children being killed though.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Good. I don’t know why it took this random street attack for it to gain so much traction and not multiple children being killed though.

Let's face it. It's because Suella and the Tories want to score some easy points after numerous feck ups.

This should've been dealt with so long ago.

 

[Sara125]

Good.

Honestly should have been considered sooner

 

[flameinthesun]

Let's face it. It's because Suella and the Tories want to score some easy points after numerous feck ups.

This should've been dealt with so long ago.

And as usual it will just look to tackle the issue at a surface level to get a quick win e.g. ban XL Bullies, rather than tackle the actual issue of dangerous dogs. The XL will be banned and another breed will replace it, changing nothing.

 

[We need an rvn]

I have a rottweiler and he's honestly a giant baby.

I'd be lying if I said I haven't wondered would I be able to stop him if he turned one day though.

He weighs 130lbs (about 60kg) and as much as I love and trust him I never leave him alone with kids or let him off the lead out in public.

Can I ask an honest question, and I’m not judging, just genuinely curious as to why some people buy breeds that are fairly protective and could potentially do a lot of damage.

I myself have had a jack Russel (who can definitely be feisty) and currently have a springer spaniel who is scared of flies and roles over in submission if I even raise my eye brows.
whilst you have to be careful with all dogs and breads around children, wary of other dogs etc, I always got a breed knowing I felt in control of the dog should anything unforeseen happen.

the thought of owning a 60kg dog (myself only weigh 65kg) scares the bejesus out of me.

With Rottweilers being of similar size and weight, and you yourself saying you’d never let him alone with kids or off the lead, why did you get a breed like the rottie, over something say a Labrador? Is it protection thing?

And I’m not digging on rotties etc, there’s one in the village who rolls over when I see her and soft as anything. I also know any breed can be aggressive if it’s taught to be by it’s owner.

the question is more me trying to understand why someone would want to own an XL

 

[Scarlett Dracarys]

Those American XL Bullies are American Pitbulls on steroids, just look at their musculature and their jaws. The latter are banned in the UK, so why not the former? Mastiff-type dogs are more dangerous because of the power of their bite, their strength and the fact that if they want to do something, there's no way their handler can stop them. They're simply too heavy and strong, plus they have the aggressive instinct.

edit - and we get owners of these breeds saying "lots of dogs bite, why not ban Jack Russells?" The answer is because you can kick a Jack Russell off someone and they usually weigh under 10 kilos. XL Bullies can be up to 65-ish kilos.

The problem isn't just the dogs though is it? They don't train themselves or shove steroids down their own throat. It's irresponsible human scumbags who are the main issue here. You can ban all the pitbulls and pitbull breads but they'll find the next similar breed to train and tarnish their reputations too.
Banning certain breeds won't get rid of these irresponsible individuals. They'll live on and continue to train and raise dogs to be aggressive and authorities will be forced to kill more dogs and all the pitbulls will live the rest of their lives in a shelter because of the mistakes of humans.

 

[Frosty]

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[horsechoker]

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I believe this actually happens, no wonder she uses so many dog whistles

 

[Pirlo'sBeard]

Unfortunately for XL Bullies they attract scumbag owners.

 

[Conor]

Ban all dogs. You don't see cats killing people, do you?

 

[horsechoker]

Ban all dogs. You don't see cats killing people, do you?

Cats absolutely would kill us if they could