Erik ten Hag vs Sancho
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MUFC - "We'll give you full authority to fix this club and get the squad into shape"
ETH - "The big money signing isn't pulling his weight after I gave him a chance, time to bin him, get rid"
MUFC - "Hmmm, yeaaaah, about that..."
I think as demonstrated by Rashford, that the disciplinary penalty for being late would be to not start the next match and then probably if this continues therafter maybe to not even be selected to be in the squad? If this is what happened, Sancho really needs to get lost. This is the absolutely correct punishment. Did he want EtH to lie and say he had an injury?
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You underestimate the cynicism in sport. If George Best played like George Best, even inebriated and it could be gotten away with (nobody, particularly not the media regulatory bodies or fans detecting), it would be gotten away with.
Talent + performance = 'tolerance' & leniency.
Even now, if Sancho was able to perform despite all this rumoured indiscipline, we'd know nothing of the indiscipline. But he can't, so we do.
Tbf, its not easy to bin Sancho.
He doesn't want to leave, no serious club offers big money for him either.
This happen when you had a CEO, Woodward whom wannabe football director
Well Murtough or Arnold better move in with Sancho so they can make sure he goes to bed on time and isn't late for school.
It is a shame when truly talented player flops because being an idiot.
In our NT we have 2 top class (regarding pure talent of course) strikers. Livaja and Petkovic. It is general opinion here among managers and pundits that they both were players for biggest Europe clubs. BUT, both are lazy lazy feckers who chose easy life in domestic league where they are "gods". Not interested in training much, being a true pro and shit like that.
Sancho has amazing talent and he is throwing that away. What a shame. He will regret it one day.
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To be fair 99% of us here wanted Sancho at all costs.
Rashford actually admitted that he was half a minute late when he got dropped vs Wolves. You can not massage the rules as you see fit. If its 9am, it means 9am.
If you push 2 minutes for Sancho, then Bruno will say, but I was only 2 minutes after Sancho, and you have a slippery slope.
I honestly can not believe we are discussing punctuality in this day and age and we are finding excuses. Its the basic requirement of the job. He is cocky, can not take constructive criticism and I dont see him working out with Ten Hag.
Fergie was right in knowing the players parents. He knew the players habits before signing them. Sancho does not have that game changing element to his game in order for the coach to potentially turn a blind eye to his shenanigans. He is done, unfortunately, likely over the summer.
Welcome to the modern game. An underperforming player is dropped, the manager explains why and the player calls him a liar. What should happen is that he stays dropped unless he wants to apologise and then get his game sorted. Instead we get a manager being forced to work with a player who has shown minimal effort or desire to put in the hard yards. If I was ETH I'd be saying no thanks.
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And what is that if it isn't racism then?
You are speaking in riddles my guy'(actually maybe I should stop interacting with all posts that use the term 'my guy'?) - what sentence is this that you are referring to? Shaw and Maguire (even at his worst) act like they care - and that, almost more than anything else, is what fans want to see. Has AWB copped any flack for being in NYC with Sancho? No he hasn't, so why is that do you think?
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This is good practice though. It would be negligent of the director of football to not intervene.
Football isn’t The Apprentice. This thing shouldn’t be playing out in the open in the first place because even if the club wants to sell Sancho - it’s detrimental to have it play out like this.
So if neither ETH or Sancho is willing to compromise who is of more value to the club? A manager who is turning the club's fortunes around or a depreciating asset of a player who clearly doesn't give a shit anymore? If Murtough and Arnold are yes men the player will win.
Late is late but I was quoting a post about taking disciplinary action against him. It's not about giving him more time but there are possible limitations the club can take from a HR perspective.
If all (or a large section of) the players turned on EtH he'd be out the door, but I'd back him to win this war with Sancho, even with the dickheads in charge at United. Loan move for Sancho in January and sold for c. £30-40m next summer would be my guess.
Rashford's omission only became noticeable because it was a surprise he wasn't starting. God knows how many times Sancho may or may not have started for being late. No one has ever really thought him not starting was a surprise.
Utd's Instagram posting Pellistri quotes about him training during any break given to the team, has to be a dig at Sancho.
His performances have never demanded that he must start so we don't know the true extent to how much of a waster he really is, but you know, he's a scapegoat, it's not his fault he's consistently late.
That's a bit of a leap the club will manage grievance and disputes so the player doesn't go AWOL or sue the club but it won't force the manager to select him in the squad.
Its probably more about reasserting expectations. He's still the clubs employee so they'll need to lay out a path for him to succeed then it's up to him (again). I doubt ETH is refusing to work with the lad.
Massive dig, which mean we can also expect Pellistri to start this weekend while Sancho will be on the bench or out of the squad again. The difference in the attitude of both players is astounding to be honest, one's a professional and the other probably stays up all night playing fornite and vaping.
Sancho does seem isolated in this
The compromise would be Sancho willing to train within the same parameters for all the players, which he doesn't seem to have done recently. I hope that's what Murtough and Arnold are asserting to Sancho.
No, you don't understand, everyone needs time off to fly across the world and party, being a Utd player is no different to working in a call centre.
Murtough intervening could just be to remind the lazy shit to turn up to work on time or he will be sacked!
It doesn't automatically mean Murtough will be going against the manager.
It doesn't automatically mean Murtough will be going against the manager.
True, although there's no scenario where Murtough needs to intervene which is going to be positive for the club.
AWB was there too, but at least, AWB is a regular starter and especially with Shaw & Malacia injured and Dalot covering LWB, he is basically guaranteed to start and he has been playing fairly well too, so i can understand why AWB would travel for his break, but Sancho, who has not even been selected in match squad, let alone be benched, and certainly been told to improve his training levels/standards, and he opts to fly out for parties, puts a question marks in his attitude, I mean you have guys who are usually on the bench, who use the international break for personalized training if they want to show commitments and impress the coach.
They don't want another failure. Sancho is another player on a long list of expensive failed signings, which they have had to let go mega cheap or even free. The issue is they can't seem to see that that is their fault from miss management, poor judgement and no transfer policy that has caused it. They'd much rather Sancho is kept in the squad to save face.
EtH is separating the wheat from the chaff and at the same time highlighting a long list of f*ck ups by the club in the past. Let him get on with it I say and the club will just have to accept it and take it on the chin. If he wants rid then get rid.
Surely if you reach the stage where a mediator has to be brought in between a manager and a player then all trust and respect between the two has broken down and one of them needs to go.
Have some compassion, it’s extremely hard and stressful to get paid £350k per week for doing nothing.
Essentially the job of HR. Convince the employee that they must conform to the rules the manager has laid out for everyone to ensure all are treated fairly or find a way to get them out of the door. Let's hope this is the case and they're not undermining the manager.
Not necessarily. He's here until at least January most probably, plenty of time to work on that... if he is willing to listen. If everything we got echoes of is accurate, Sancho needs to straighten his act if he wants any future here and a place in the squad. He's not getting those wages anywhere else (in Europe) next contract unless he makes big strides, hopefully that will help.
Exactly, context is everything. If Sancho was tearing it up and clearly the fittest player on the pitch, I wouldn't give a shite.
Possible but then again Murtough might be regularly in communication with the players and their agents...it's just the media love to focus on the negative angle of everything Man United.
More clicks and all that!
I have little time for guys like this. Sort yourself out lad and do your fecking job.
If this was most anyone else, they’d be getting their P45 and told to go get a job elsewhere.
If this was most anyone else, they’d be getting their P45 and told to go get a job elsewhere.
Some players cannot take the discipline that is required. McGrath and Strachan in Fergie's days were moved out. Ten Hag is bringing that level of discipline back. He is looking for personalities as well as talent.
It's all about the message you send out to your coaches and your team mates when you make them wait for you to get started. even if they only have to wait for a minute or two. On the very rare occasions I played sport at a high level the expectations were always exactly the same for team meetings. 5 minutes early is on time, on time is late.
the only 'intervening' Murtough should be doing at this stage is to tell Sancho and his agent to find a new club for January. In fairness this directive from Arnold is probably more about getting Sancho out of the club for as high a fee as possible.
Not our job to do background checks
Lots of media I have been reading/ listening seems to be of the opinion that Sancho has done a massive booboo , despite of EtH bringing it out in the open.
Most folks seem to be remember the break he got last year. If Sancho was looking for sympathy he isn't getting any. Chances that he buckles down and accepts the gauntlet are slim He isn't strong like AwB, Rashford etc. He is on a similar path to Dele/Barkley and even Morrison. I don't think he has it in him to fight Game over
Most folks seem to be remember the break he got last year. If Sancho was looking for sympathy he isn't getting any. Chances that he buckles down and accepts the gauntlet are slim He isn't strong like AwB, Rashford etc. He is on a similar path to Dele/Barkley and even Morrison. I don't think he has it in him to fight Game over
Agree. Arnold could have asked him to book them a meeting room for all the caff ITK’s know.