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The things in the video I have the problem with are his ability to keep possession under pressure with his back to the opposition, he can’t beat a man or shield it effectively at times and make the simple pass.
I don’t specifically think think this argument works here.
It's an imperfect metric for measuring a player's creativity or contributions to the team, but assists are also limited as a proper measure. A player could gain an assist by playing a sideways pass to a teammate who does all the work and gets the goal. Similarly, a player could do all the hard work to set up a teammate who simply needs to tap it in, it's a chance created but a poor finish means his total assists number stays low.
I’ve been complaining about this for a while now because most of those passes should have ended with Rashford, Greenwood or Antony creating chances for others instead of the poor decisions to shot.
Maybe but also we don't actually have to discredit his elite chance creation stats to talk about his other issues. My problem with the other side is over-crediting it to excuse horrific possession versatility. It's not a surprise the squad almost perfectly mirrors all of his weaknesses. These are some very basic bare minimum technical skills needed to attain sustainability and on-ball consistency.
McT, Dalot won’t play when everyone’s fit. We might well progress the ball further and create overloads more regularly that don’t require a difficult pass. There’s more than one reason that Bruno creates more chances than most other players in the league in a team that struggles for goals than simply the attackers aren’t good enough and there’s more to performances than stats.Who's he taking all these numbers away from thenClearly we'd be smashing teams 4-nil because he's holding back the likes of Dalot, Reguilon, McTominay, Rashford and Garnacho from their 30-40 combined assists.
McTominay has been playing consistently for us over the last 4 years.
How would you get an assist if the finisher is poor and needs loads of chances before he can put one away?
McTominay started 10 PL games last season and a bit over 1000 minutes. That is not consistent. He also played because of injuries, not because he is good enough.
Its a simple question. In the Brighton game who was more of a problem regarding possession. Bruno or McTominay?
That's higher than KDB's average pass completion...
Also higher than Casemiro and Rashford's average. On par with Eriksen's average.
Okay, so what are you implying? The issue isn't Bruno's erratic passing in itself. It is the combination of his many weaknesses together with it.
It is a useless question. What is your point here? That McTominay is a massive problem in terms of possession? Yes, he is. But everyone knows that and agrees, like with many of our other players. Bruno is the one player some posters are in denial, because he creates chances. Having control in midfield and building up consistent attacks is impossible with a player like Bruno in the team who kills momentum and simply isn't at the required level. Neither is McTominay, Eriksen or current version of Casemiro.
You just used Bruno 'only having 81% pass completion' on Saturday as a stick to beat him with, when it's perfectly normal given his position and the the role the manager asks him to play.
Luxembourg doesn't count.
My focus is here because some of you argue against me. So I reply back. Out of all of our players, there are only a few of them that have any business being part of an elite team. Bruno is not one of them. Look, mate. I don't understand how it's so hard for you to grasp, but he is 30 next year and has won feck all. He is a decent player who is excellent at creating chances, but not much else. He runs around a lot and is never injured which is fantastic, but building a team with him as a focal point of possession is ridiculous. Look at the other teams that play with number 10s, and look at their particular skillset. They're not chaotic, mindless players who instantly give the ball away. He has created a ton of chances, but he sure as hell have denied a ton too by giving it away or being dispossessed.
I ask the question because if you can't (and you haven't) simply answer "McTominay" is shows us there's a huge bias at play here.
I already said Casemiro needs replacing next summer and I don't even care enough about McTominay. He is not a key player in this team, while Bruno is. Eriksen is only a back-up, and a decent one when managed correctly. Surely you're not this daft?I ask the question because if you can't (and you haven't) simply answer "McTominay" is shows us there's a huge bias at play here.
I just find it odd after the Brighton game the midfielder you hammer is Bruno. Barely anything from you on the other three.
"Only 81% pass success rate"
I think this is a decent post, worth thinking about. I'm inclined to agree that Bruno cannot be treated as 'undroppable' and I think that's another issue ETH has to address (which he created, not the Glazer's etc ..) Pep dropped Ageuro, and eventually replaced him. He dropped KDB, only last season, and KDB is pretty much the best player in the Premiership.
That's just such twisted reasoning to me. It's almost manufacturing a way of blaming Bruno.
What else happened after Coutinho left that might have contributed to their success?
Can't say I'm surprised by the usual suspects spamming the thread with the same old shite whenever we lose, even after a game where he was instructed to play CB for most of the second half. I'm just grateful I don't sit near any of them at Old Trafford. The guy two rows behind me who shouts at the ref the entire game is far more preferable than listening to some of these lot in the caf who would be constantly whinging at Bruno for giving the ball away too often.
Can't wait for your excuses after his performance against Bayern München.
Spoken like someone who actually looks forward to seeing a bad performance from United's captain just so they can say 'I told you so' in the subsequent days.
Such a strange way to be a fan.
I've been watching Bruno for years in Champions League, Europa League and against the big teams in Premier League. He has performed decent in maybe two or three games, and the rest he has been either terrible or mediocre. I know what to expect. Let's be real here.
I wish I can blame Bruno for that performance. I’m one of a few that believe he had an alright game.
I absolutely loved these two posts. Couldn’t have been worded any better.
This. I honestly don't get how some of the posters don't get this. They love to compare his chance creation to De Bruyne, but don't consider why De Bruyne is one of the best midfielders to have played in Premier League, and Bruno isn't. It's not because he creates chances, but because KdB is a complete midfielder with many strengths, and no particular weakness. I mean, Pep even benched De Bruyne for some time, and some are deluded enough to think he would play Bruno if he had him.
You've just spent 3000 posts telling us its not about producing an assist or goal, its about possession.
Mate, do you read what you are saying here?
I'm going to pose the question, as I'm not in either camp as I find Bruno frustrating as hell sometimes, especially in our own half or under pressure, but he can also produce moments/passes with world class vision and his passion to press for me alleviates some of my frustrations as EtH wants us to be a high transitions team.Mate, do you read what you are saying here?
It is about everything, and in the Brighton match, Bruno was terrible in possession and didn't produce anything.
Since when is 81% pass completion a decent stat for a midfielder? Some tragic standards you've got
By the way, possession isn't only about pass completion. He did nothing of note with the ball.
