Hopefully, he has played his last game for us. If you have so little respect for the manager, your teammates, the club and yourself as an athlete that you prefer playing FIFA all night to apologizing for your mistakes, you have no right to wear the club's crest. Get out of the club and waste your carreer somewhere else.
Erik ten Hag vs Sancho
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He’ll do well in the Saudi, all the bling and no pressure being on time.
I think he's acting up now. Yes he's a young adult not a teen, but would you be surprised a footballer skews a little immature ? That and/or he's a little prone to things you could call depression (demotivated and just procrastinating).
As someone said a few pages ago : Bro, get an alt gaming account under an anonymous name at least ? So in a way he does own up to it or doesn't care it's known. I didn't think much of the New York Birthday Scandal but playing games deep into the night while missing work start next morning is really too direct a link.
I assume United has a few specialists that could help him (it'd be stupid not to, both because the mental side of the game is important and because the club manages a lot of literal teens and young adults) but you can't force anyone not willing to help themselves and skipping the most basic elementary demand of your job (come to training and be in time) is not doing him any favours.
As someone said a few pages ago : Bro, get an alt gaming account under an anonymous name at least ? So in a way he does own up to it or doesn't care it's known. I didn't think much of the New York Birthday Scandal but playing games deep into the night while missing work start next morning is really too direct a link.
I assume United has a few specialists that could help him (it'd be stupid not to, both because the mental side of the game is important and because the club manages a lot of literal teens and young adults) but you can't force anyone not willing to help themselves and skipping the most basic elementary demand of your job (come to training and be in time) is not doing him any favours.
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He'd literally have that RW spot locked down right now if he wanted it instead of endless FIFA time...
The longer this drags on, the more I'm bothered by a question - what does Sancho hope to gain out of this? If it were for a few days you could put it down to ego and the ill-advised actions that are borne out of a highly-paid footballer's bubble these days. It's getting into multiple weeks now - surely there's a moment of epiphany somewhere that makes Sancho realize that the only two options for him are to either buckle down right now, or try to restart his career much later on at another club. In the moment of ego/anger, the second will seem possible to all footballers who are told they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. But over time, surely the realization dawns that there's no guarantee he'll ever get a top club again to prove his worth, that being frozen out for so long may have an impact on his game, that injuries could feck it all up and that no matter what he'll never get this money or opportunity if he continues sulking for the next few months.
The fact that this chain of thought - with the obvious and only conclusion of an apology - hasn't occurred yet makes me believe Sancho isn't thinking rationally. And that makes me wonder if his mental health issues have resurfaced again after that spat. Rumors indicate that EtH had identified his depression as a reason for his tardiness last season, but you can't just remove it with few months of vacation somewhere. Depression resurfaces from time to time, and it consumes you with irrational actions that feel right in the moment. Irrespective of the optics, he cannot make the correct and logical call right now. And this also explains why certain players are still batting for him privately.
Or maybe this is all a long con, and Sancho just hopes that his prolonged refusal to apologize will lead to people like me trying to find answers from the mental health perspective. Possible, but not probable.
The longer this drags on, the more I'm convinced Sancho needs mental help again, and the right people around him. It's not convenient that he's on massive wages at massive club under pressure, and that his manager cannot back down given the optics of the situation which leaves only course of action - freezing him out. But none of that fixes mental health issues, and the fact that he needs help and attention again. Also, if this guess is indeed true, you can see why he'd feel betrayed by Ten Hag saying what he did. A very 'Yes, I'm late, but you of all people should know why, and you of all people should know that despite being late, I'm really trying. feck it, I'm not trying anymore' situation.
The fact that this chain of thought - with the obvious and only conclusion of an apology - hasn't occurred yet makes me believe Sancho isn't thinking rationally. And that makes me wonder if his mental health issues have resurfaced again after that spat. Rumors indicate that EtH had identified his depression as a reason for his tardiness last season, but you can't just remove it with few months of vacation somewhere. Depression resurfaces from time to time, and it consumes you with irrational actions that feel right in the moment. Irrespective of the optics, he cannot make the correct and logical call right now. And this also explains why certain players are still batting for him privately.
Or maybe this is all a long con, and Sancho just hopes that his prolonged refusal to apologize will lead to people like me trying to find answers from the mental health perspective. Possible, but not probable.
The longer this drags on, the more I'm convinced Sancho needs mental help again, and the right people around him. It's not convenient that he's on massive wages at massive club under pressure, and that his manager cannot back down given the optics of the situation which leaves only course of action - freezing him out. But none of that fixes mental health issues, and the fact that he needs help and attention again. Also, if this guess is indeed true, you can see why he'd feel betrayed by Ten Hag saying what he did. A very 'Yes, I'm late, but you of all people should know why, and you of all people should know that despite being late, I'm really trying. feck it, I'm not trying anymore' situation.
United are fecked here. He has an ffp hit of about 30mil a year until 2027.
There isnt a team in the world that would buy him off us and pay the salary he is used to.
I dont even think Saudi are interested in players like Sancho, who have proved themselves to be problematic.
There isnt a team in the world that would buy him off us and pay the salary he is used to.
I dont even think Saudi are interested in players like Sancho, who have proved themselves to be problematic.
He thinks he was wronged. Maybe there is a grain of truth in him saying there were other reasons why ETH dropped him.
To you and I, its not rational. But we may not know the real reasons, so we cant assume he has mental health issues because of this.
I think he's going to sit it out at long as he can. When these things happen, the longer it goes on, the more entrenched people become.
Yeah it is inexcusable behaviour. He is not helping his case with some of the decisions he's making.
Like I have said before, if he is so hell-bent on not apologizing then there probably is something else going on and I get that. There’s always two sides to a story.
However, there is no excuse for not showing up to training on time again and just screams lack of professionalism if true. Also, as trivial as it sounds, if it is true, he knows exactly what he's doing playing FIFA up till 3am with his main account.
It looks even worse on Sancho when you have players in the squad actively playing through injuries/illness like Martinez or Regulion, yet Sancho the highest paid player in the squad isn’t in the team because he doesn’t want to apologise supposedly. With the squad being so bare bone it’s not a good look.
Don’t think that sort of mindset attracts success. For a player so young as well, can’t help but think he might look back on this and regret the decisions he's making right now.
I get the never back down attitude but as you say it will only carry him so far in that sort of job and contract. He's getting paid so handsomely he can probably afford all the care he could ask for (though it often feels he's probably not self aware enough yet to seek and accept help) and I'm sure the club offer some. He could probably pay someone to put him to bed, wake him up every morning on time and drive him to Carrington. We maybe can argue the club should go that far (supposedly assistant coaches in Dortmund did and some scoffed at that in the thread) to put him in just the easiest environment...
I dunno, maybe we'll learn United is incredibly archaic and approached this in all the wrong ways (would not be that surprised) and as you say elite football is a difficult context to just drop it and take a few months off to clean your head. But at one point the apology & the tardiness are really low bars to clear and the absolute minimum demanded. He has to be the one making an effort there.
If he wasn't applying himself in training, I'll bet dollars to donuts Ten Hag and McClaren said so long before Ten Hag mentioned it publicly.
I'm surprised he didn't take to social media long before now when a lot of United fans were publicly saying he's not trying.
I'm surprised he didn't take to social media long before now when a lot of United fans were publicly saying he's not trying.
I think you are missing one factor here: Does Sancho trust EtH? It is only rational to back down and work hard if he trusts EtH to give him a fair chance. If he thinks that he won't get that, then it doesn't make much sense to buckle down because it would not lead to him playing (much) more than nothing. And considering that he thinks that he is made a scapegoat and that performance is not the only reason why he is dropped I can pretty well see that it could be a rational thought for him. If he truly believes that EtH is doing the wrong thing he could easily bet on the next manager and some kind of "told you so" effect to get back into the first team.
Right now I would take a step further: make him train with the Women's Team... so our women can kick his ass.
Would love to know who is advising him, who’s his agent? Whoever it is, needs to sit him down and knock sense into him or Sancho should sack him.
Real lack of professionalism from Sancho , you don't have to like the manger you play for but you have to respect that he is the manager.
The club is going through a very rough patch and an injury crisis and and he has decided to stay away and not play.
I can't say we have missed much on the pitch as he has shown nothing since he arrived under various managers, the club will try and move him on in January and will take a big financial hit or more likely a loan deal where we still pick up most of his wages. It has been a disaster of a signing.
The club is going through a very rough patch and an injury crisis and and he has decided to stay away and not play.
I can't say we have missed much on the pitch as he has shown nothing since he arrived under various managers, the club will try and move him on in January and will take a big financial hit or more likely a loan deal where we still pick up most of his wages. It has been a disaster of a signing.
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Is that really enough? If he's having to be pushed into it by teammates he obviously isn't seeing anything wrong with his behaviour and unprofessional approach to training, whilst being likely in the top 5 best paid players at the club.
An apology will have to be genuine and I can't imagine it will be. Get Murtough to work and sort a move in January.
He's just not worth this level of fuss. I just can't picture a world where he apologises and then goes on to fulfill his potential here, he clearly has no interest in doing so.
I can't believe everyone is defending Ten Hag after he viciously attacked Sancho's good name in the press and has still yet to offer an apology. Fair play for sticking to your guns, young man.
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He has no intention of locking anything down. That would require effort and focus on his game which he just isn’t interested in doing.
Something needs to happen in terms of fines because a player refusing to play sitting happily at home on 300k a week is a disgrace
Reminder that we pay him over double what we pay our manager and he is in contract until 2027. What a mess the club got themselves into.
EtH trusted him with 41 appearances last season…how much more trust does Sancho expect from the manager.
You can certainly see the Lingard in him... Absolute clown but I am just not sure who is going to take him off our hands.
Staying up late, getting little sleep and generally fecking up your body clock is not something that helps with depression.
I'm sorry but if you cannot handle pressure, the spotlight and the huge expectations that come with being United's highest paid player, maybe you should have taken the Saudi deal and not gone to NY to party.
Yes and 41 appearances equals given a fair chance.
"feud" ... 
I know this has all been said throughout this thread but my opinion is pretty strong. Ten Hag nurtured Sancho last year, realised he wasn’t in a good place and sent him away to sort his head out. The look on Ten Hags face, the reaction to Sancho coming on, shows how much he invested in his recovery.
I can imagine Ten Hag feels like he’s been spat on in the face. Don’t betray the managers trust - fair play to Erik for taking this stance and well done on the club for backing him. Manchester United is a club which has had the highest standards over the years, anyone dropping below those standards can FIFO. No way back for Jadon I’m afraid - in 5 or 10 years time he’ll be the one to regret that he’s p**sed his career up the wall.
I can imagine Ten Hag feels like he’s been spat on in the face. Don’t betray the managers trust - fair play to Erik for taking this stance and well done on the club for backing him. Manchester United is a club which has had the highest standards over the years, anyone dropping below those standards can FIFO. No way back for Jadon I’m afraid - in 5 or 10 years time he’ll be the one to regret that he’s p**sed his career up the wall.
There's so much wrong with this whole situation and it paints Sancho worse each time.
The man was given months off work to sort out some issues he had. On top of that the manager put together a plan to get him ready.
And he thinks this stuff is personal?
All managers have favourites, even the top best ones. He's not a favourite for a reason. Training and lateness issues have been reported and not just under Eth.
On top of that , whether he believes he's been wronged is one thing, fine. But to then apparently be unprofessional in this by turning up late for training etc is just ridiculous.
And what makes it even worse is how he's played for united. It's not like he's a key player who has been putting in match winning performances. A few glimpses here and there every ten games, brilliant.
As it stands now he's been a flop and the main reason is because of him. He can't say he hasn't been given chances
The man was given months off work to sort out some issues he had. On top of that the manager put together a plan to get him ready.
And he thinks this stuff is personal?
All managers have favourites, even the top best ones. He's not a favourite for a reason. Training and lateness issues have been reported and not just under Eth.
On top of that , whether he believes he's been wronged is one thing, fine. But to then apparently be unprofessional in this by turning up late for training etc is just ridiculous.
And what makes it even worse is how he's played for united. It's not like he's a key player who has been putting in match winning performances. A few glimpses here and there every ten games, brilliant.
As it stands now he's been a flop and the main reason is because of him. He can't say he hasn't been given chances
That, or maybe he's banking on a couple more defeats, ETH gets the boot and everybody else gets a clean slate. Which would be the best scenario for him.
Surely we screen for emotional maturity when we recruit players? How do we keep ending up with players who have terrible attitudes and who can't control themselves? After 3 weeks, he should be embarrassed by his own behavior.
What are contractual aspects to this, in respect of Sancho basically refusing to do the job he's contracted to do?
I can't believe with the money involved, player contracts don't include some protection for the club, in the event of a player deliberately not pulling their, weight, or downing tools.
I can't believe with the money involved, player contracts don't include some protection for the club, in the event of a player deliberately not pulling their, weight, or downing tools.
This is quite immature from Sancho. You don't take on the manager over something like this. Even if you do want you out, swallowing your pride working hard and claiming that RW spot is the only option.
There's only going to be one loser and no other club will want him with this kind of carry on.
There's only going to be one loser and no other club will want him with this kind of carry on.
Stinking attitude from Sancho. Need to get rid in January but we’ll need to take a mammoth financial hit.
He's not a good RW though even at his best he was far better on the left, another mindless transfer blowing up in the clubs face.
I don’t know who has been advising Sancho. He is undermining himself with the time passing. It has been a while and time to reflect a lot in his mind.
Hypothetically, if Sancho apologises to ETH, would people still want to see him back in the team? All this news of him playing console games into the wee hours and late for training shows a strong lack of professionalism. He is really not helping himself here
If he came back, played well and some clubs came in for him with decent transfer fees, sure. I wouldn’t take him back with a view to keeping him long term at this point. You just have to hope he can look decent enough that some other fools will take a chance on him and lessen the financial hit we’re going to take.
I think apologising to ETH only gets him back with the first team squad to be honest. After that if the same behaviour is continuing then he can't be anywhere near contention - it's neither fair on his teammates who are putting the effort and professionalism in (we hope) nor likely to see him at his best and hurt his resale. I speak from experience that a gaming addiction, and to be honest it's starting to look that way as he's clearly making bad decisions, can be very harmful to mental and physical performance.
He is so obviously being very badly advised and poorly supported by his peer group and management at this point. You have to wonder how he gets out of this without some proper intervention but if he genuinely doesn't want to change, or can't even see what the problem is, it's futile to try. Until he wakes up to it personally it won't change. Incredibly sad waste of talent, as well as a financial and squad disaster for us.
He is so obviously being very badly advised and poorly supported by his peer group and management at this point. You have to wonder how he gets out of this without some proper intervention but if he genuinely doesn't want to change, or can't even see what the problem is, it's futile to try. Until he wakes up to it personally it won't change. Incredibly sad waste of talent, as well as a financial and squad disaster for us.
That's what I dont get. People are saying ETH "can't afford this" as if having Sancho in the team is much of an asset. He really isn't. The last few weeks are the only times he's really been noticed since he arrived +2 years ago.
All of these reasons are exactly why I don't understand why any of our fans would back Sancho. I cannot come up with one reason to back him over ETH.
That is probably the best case scenario we can hope for.
Is anyone bothering to defend Sancho now? He's now got to be our worst ever signing hands down.