For me, at this point I want him to be ruthless and at least go out on his own decisions and laurels, rather than trying to shoehorn players in which will get him the sack anyways
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager / awaiting clarity from the club over his position
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yeah. I enjoyed the league cup win but it was a run of Villa, Burnley, Charlton, Forest and Newcastle. That had a large hand in it
From what I remember, the concern was that Poch was damaged goods after the CL run and was also doing badly at PSG.
What you described, as a comedy suggestion, was Brendan fecking Rodgers.
The same players that have been given extended contracts under Erik ?
Just watch the level of performance they put in over the next couple of games. We're regularly out run by opposition teams. Anyone can put a shift in for a derby. The players are doing the bare minimum required to avoid being singled out.That doesn't mean he's lost the players
You know you've lost the players when they literally stop bothering to run and play. Not when they still hunt for wins, win 3 on the bounce despite lacking confidence and then lose comprehensively today.
He thought we played well? Crikey
Anyone still defending this fraud is no fan of Manchester United.
His team selection has been shite. What standards? Rashford and Bruno has been stinking up the place all season and they're still there. Grow some balls Erik.
Imagine being a player seeing him take off Hojlund and then bring on Martial at minute 86. I wouldn't bust a gut for him next game. He does not know what he is doing and like his Dutch counterparts is absolutely boring and clueless.
As charismatic as dog turd. It's the same old shite after every shite performance and/or defeat - we have to accept it, deal with it and go for the next game.
reliance on two players who can produce a class moment. Dropping them doesnt work when your team cant pass a football and theres no gameplan.
this is exactly what Ole did
And I hate to say it but Jamie Carragher is right. We know the ownership of the club is toxic. It is a given. But that does not stop Ten Hag creating a team and embedding a style of play similar to that that Unai Emery and Postecoglu has done in a short period of time in their respective clubs.
This 100%.
Just don’t understand our play style, City was always going to be a hard game with arguably our whole back 4 missing and Casemiro (who’s been poor this season), but we just look devoid of ideas.
We don’t have anyone in midfield who is composed with the ball or can take it on the half turn and our wingers currently can’t beat anyone 1v1.
So many times I watched city players track back and then instantly be forward back into position and our team just looked all over the place.
There was a period in the second half were Silva takes a shot left side of the box and then is the other side of the pitch making the tackle and winning the ball back in the same sequence.
If this keeps up ETH will be gone by Christmas.
We don’t have anyone in midfield who is composed with the ball or can take it on the half turn and our wingers currently can’t beat anyone 1v1.
So many times I watched city players track back and then instantly be forward back into position and our team just looked all over the place.
There was a period in the second half were Silva takes a shot left side of the box and then is the other side of the pitch making the tackle and winning the ball back in the same sequence.
If this keeps up ETH will be gone by Christmas.
He's made us significantly worse over the last 12 months.
That's just unforgiveable. 8 points off top 4 and the season is already over in October.
That's just unforgiveable. 8 points off top 4 and the season is already over in October.
He's deluded, and his favourtism is comical at this stage.
This should be enough for any individual to deserve a sack. He has no excuses this season, and he has failed miserably. Don't know how or when we can replace him though. I guess Ratcliffe will have to get in first to and get somewhat control of the situation hopefully.
He says it after every game. Couldn't be arsed anymore
And replace him with who exactly ?
"Expect new energy on the pitch" while Eriksen is completely knackered and Rashford+McTom are doing zombie impressions
Completely deluded at this point. Has to be.
I just can’t get my head around how a manager that at Ajax was all about possession, team interplay and technical football can basically turn into a poorer version of Sam Allardyce in just over a year. My overarching emotion is one of sadness. No idea what has happened at United to cause this but on the surface he has been backed signing he players he wanted.
Anyone? There's loads of options.
We cannot afford to lose him. We have no money. There is a definite feeling that we cannot go through the cycle of bringing in manager after manager when we always end up with this same toxicity and mess. We still have players whose attitudes stink. Our best players. Fernandes and Rashford, when the going gets tough either saunter like they don't give a hoot (Rashford) or they lose their composure and discipline (Bruno). And these are our key players. It is not professional. Only two players showed up today Onana and Maguire. Maguire's attitude was bang on and considering the amount of abuse he gets is credit to him.
But I cannot see them shifting Ten Hag anytime soon.
Tell us then?
Will cost a fortune to lose him and bring someone in. And we are massively massively in debt to the point we are borrowing money to buy players.
i’m pretty you could go as far as Sam Allardyce and you’d have someone who could come in and play a 4-3-3 and coach the players we have to be able to pass a ball and score a few goals
Potter. He is my first choice then.
De Zerbi for me.
We can't afford to replace the whole team you mean. The manager is very expendable if results are shit, and so he should be considering it's his job to coach the players.
I agree that we were pretty decent in the first half. Yes, City created a couple of chances, but so did we, and if we had better decision making in the final third, we'd have scored.
Second half; however, was a big problem. We brought Mount on, but he hardly had a touch of the ball, and the turnovers we made in the first half were non-exostent in the second. We failed to conjure up any real attacks until the game was over, and unfortunately, didn't address the leak down our right hand side. The second goal early in the second half killed the game.
Yes, we are. The Glazers are evil and more importantly incapable to waste so much money we borrowed to fund the transfers.
Unnecessarily antagonistic. I'm interested in the points people can make to defend him so we can see if they hold water. I don't think he's a bad manager, but I think he's succumbed to the same toxic environment as those who went before him and the job/pressure is too big for him so that he can no longer be trusted to keep his own counsel. So I agree it doesn't look good. Arguably though, the structure surrounding him is the bigger problem, but we all know that.
Go to Google, Google who the top 20 young managers are in the world right now and take your pick from any of the reasonable options in those lists. If that doesn't tickle your fancy then there's always Potter, Zidane, Valverde, Bielsa, or if you like something more home grown, Big Sam.
From his interview, it sounds a bit like he lost his head after the first half and the penalty decision. The sub definitely looked weird at the time and the immediate punishment of it was predictable. He is clearly feeling the pressure, unfortunately.
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He never really focused that much on possession. Ajax traditionally plays such a style but under EtH they had more focus on transitions than usual, so it is not surprising what we see now.
It will cost more to replace the team so just replace him with someone good instead. One fix can improve multiple players.
There have been missteps and there are mitigations, however, the club really needs to ask itself what it wants from the future and how Ten Hag figures into that.
This decision can't just be about: Do we stick with Ten Hag. It has to be about where we want the club to go.
Ten Hag has tried to take the club towards a more possession based, patient and pressing football. This requires a massive reshaping of the squad, which has only just started. Clearly, lots of the players we have either don't want to do what he wants to or don't believe it'll work. You can see that, particularly in games where we're pressing super high, they fear being caught on the counter. To make this style of football work we need faster, better ball playing defenders (and more besides).
So if we're going to keep on going with this style of football that should have a big impact on if we stick with Ten Hag. There's no point in firing him and getting a coach who wants to do similar things, if we're not committed to this way of playing and this style.
However, if the club feels like this experiment with Ajax style football has run its course and we need to be a bit more direct and play differently, then clearly Ten Hag isn't the guy for that. He's just not the right coach.
It has to be a conscious decision though, made by the club's executive. That we want to play in a different way and we're going to be recruiting to suit that. Otherwise we just end up lurching between different approaches, as we have since Sir Alex retired. We need a Director of Football who really has a plan for the club, has the buy-in of the higher ups and can make that call.
This decision can't just be about: Do we stick with Ten Hag. It has to be about where we want the club to go.
Ten Hag has tried to take the club towards a more possession based, patient and pressing football. This requires a massive reshaping of the squad, which has only just started. Clearly, lots of the players we have either don't want to do what he wants to or don't believe it'll work. You can see that, particularly in games where we're pressing super high, they fear being caught on the counter. To make this style of football work we need faster, better ball playing defenders (and more besides).
So if we're going to keep on going with this style of football that should have a big impact on if we stick with Ten Hag. There's no point in firing him and getting a coach who wants to do similar things, if we're not committed to this way of playing and this style.
However, if the club feels like this experiment with Ajax style football has run its course and we need to be a bit more direct and play differently, then clearly Ten Hag isn't the guy for that. He's just not the right coach.
It has to be a conscious decision though, made by the club's executive. That we want to play in a different way and we're going to be recruiting to suit that. Otherwise we just end up lurching between different approaches, as we have since Sir Alex retired. We need a Director of Football who really has a plan for the club, has the buy-in of the higher ups and can make that call.
Graham Potter that won 38% of his games at Chelsea is your first choice ?
i love the ‘who else’ narrative over sacking Ten Hag.
literally any football manager who could get us putting 5 passes together, scoring a few and a bit more organised at the back would be a huge improvement at this moment in time. The pool is huge