Hackman2210
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Interestingly - Man Utd starting 11 - £310m / Man City - £580m. After everything we've spent - we've got 2 free transfers, 1 loan, 2 academy products and some assorted big buys. What a mess.
Was talking to someone about the team this morning. Without looking at players names.Interestingly - Man Utd starting 11 - £310m / Man City - £580m. After everything we've spent - we've got 2 free transfers, 1 loan, 2 academy products and some assorted big buys. What a mess.
I don't think there are a set of players his tactics this season would work with, which is making our games extremely frustrating for me.ETH is mess. He has no plan B. The Ajax tactics did not work out here and he is clueless now. He was backed so no excuses here. I was his fan but his tactics does not work with these players.
Haha..never let the truth get in the way of a good story.Did anyone watch the highlights on MOTD? Guy Mowbray's commentary for Haaland's penalty referred to "in the ground where his father suffered a career ending leg break" or words pretty much to that effect.
Ok, the Keane tackle was horrific but firstly, Alf Inge Haaland did not break his leg (if I'm not mistaken he may have played on in the game for a bit after it?). And secondly, it did not end his career, he played on for a couple of seasons afterwards before retiring due to injury on his other leg!
How are commentators allowed get away with such bullshit?!
This felt pretty similar to the 0-2 home defeat couple years ago that got Ole sacked.As Tommy Doc once famously remarked, "we were lucky to get nil".
Not exactly a high scoring 'thrashing' (could easily have been), but a 'thrashing' none the less. True in the first half in particular we had a few of the those famous 'moments' of play when we might have scored, but they were few and far between and most were afforded by the odd missteps by City players that gave us a chance.
By the end it was like a 'cat playing with a mouse' as City, strolled, rolled and general waltzed around us at will, or at least men against boys. Actually, when I first saw the team ETH was putting out (assuming he had some choice) I thought he would be hoping for a 0-0 or at least settle for a minor defeat.
The substitutions were also a puzzle, true Lindelof had struggled all the match as a full back, (which he 'is definitely not) always chasing Foden and perhaps in the end City were getting too much space down our left side, but taking off Hojlund was a complete mystery, unless he had some injury we didn't know about. Perhaps it was a punishment for Garnacho , (for the Gorilla thing), to put a young lad on at that stage in a match so one sided, the lad could have done nothing about the result, only share in the misery... perhaps that was what was intended.
We are indeed in a poor state just now and despite ETH's best intentions, he does not seem to be exercising any control, certainly not over his captain, who once again proved that despite being a half decent player, he is not a captain.
Yeah, no one ever cares for the facts...it would make great telly if the producers called it out. They have huge screens in every studio. Just google it Joe Rogan style and call out the bs.How are commentators allowed get away with such bullshit?!
It just needs a good manager who knows tactics, can manage players and understands how a transfer budget works.Delete the club.
Copy and past Real Madrid’s team and we will still struggle. We are cursed. The club needs an intervention.
Yes, 'the rope' is running out for ETH, with the team he picked to start yesterday and the strange substitutions, I almost felt if he is perhaps already looking for a way out himself.While I'm not Ten Hag out, if changes don't come to the makeup of the squad and if we don't start moving the ball forward faster, I will get there.
This sums up my thinking well. I would only addWhat is mason mount - I’m feckin clueless and so is he apparently.
Antony’s one trick has been found out.
Erikson - hasn’t got a full game in him sadly.
Evans - too old.
Onana - made as many mistakes as saves.
Hojlund - needs crosses our wingers don’t cross.
Rashford - we might as well have signed Usain Bolt.
Amrabat - finding it much harder in the big boy league.
Garnacho - another sprinter.
Fernandez - as captain you can’t be crying all the time. Pathetic.
ETH - time defo running out.
This is the other side of things for me regarding ETH. My hope is that he played that squad knowing a defeat was coming, in order to prepare for Newcastle in the Moose Cup. We'll know soon enough.We lost this game, we knew we were going to lose, and many thought it was going to be a soul-crushing shellacking - but we escaped with a tepid 0-3 defeat.
I wouldn't read too much into this. It was nearly a foregone conclusion.
Was the club also in turmoil when Moyes took over 1 year after SAF won the league easily? What about LVG or Mou? Was the turmoil present then?To be frank I don't blame him, I think ETH has found himself out of his depth in a number of areas and with the whole club seemingly in turmoil from ownership down to a captain who behaves at times like a spoiled child on the pitch, it would not be surprise if he decided to 'work his ticket'. Managing a massive club like ours is great when things are stable, the pressure is there still but bearable, when the whole club is in turmoil and the squad is perhaps the worse since SAF left, then its a whole different ball game.
Perhaps Sir Jim has a rescue plan in mind and if rumours are true ETH may be the first casualty. I quite like Erik but the pressure is becoming unbearable, very few people can be at their best under such conditions.
I think one of the main issues hampering our team having any fluidity, is that Onana was brought in to play sweeper-keeper, to start attacks by playing outside of his box. But we are not using him that way, most of his passes were short, and the few long range passes he tried had about 50% accuracy (i.e., not good enough).Great tactics...
Of course it is, but the turmoil started almost as soon as both David Gill and SAF (some might even argue it had started earlier) were gone, its gradually got worse.Managing a club like Utd is difficult regardless of the situation,
Actually a double 10 isn't that crazy, while not being the most common setup, quite a lot of teams use such formations. However let's play the numbers game and quickly see the issue... I have seen it work well as a 4321, 4222, 3421, 3241. The first one is an extremely defensive counter attacking formation while the other ones all require players on the wing who are hard working and able to defend the wing, no matter how exactly this is implemented.He seems to have, from somewhere, got into this idea he needs 2 no10s, which is crazy in itself, but where it hasn't worked with Mount, he's now using people who aren't even a no10 there, like McTominay.
Surely he knew its tough and there was no football structure. Which I assume is why he demanded freedom on transfers. But then he clearly vastly overestimated his knowledge of what top players look like today. Anthony is such a woefully limited player.Of course it is, but the turmoil started almost as soon as both David Gill and SAF (some might even argue it had started earlier) were gone, its gradually got worse.
Moyes was out of his depth to start with, he's a much better manager now, LvG and Jose had the sense to see what was happening and they 'worked their ticket'. Ole was great as a temporary manager, but the turmoil heightened when the club handed him the job on a permanent basis and Ole's 'spread the love/do your own thing' approach ran into reality.
Rangnick (intermn) gave the warning that was never heeded, because there was no one in the club who 'got it' or were so immersed in it, to listen.
I suspect ETH thought he knew (from Steve McClaren) what he was getting into, but McClaren's view was of a situation years before.
ETH has created plenty of his own problems. He stated Varanne was fit and chose not to pick him. Reguilon was fit enough to come on but not start? He left two of his biggest signings on the bench and subbed off our only fit DM at half time. He's a fraud.I think one of the main issues hampering our team having any fluidity, is that Onana was brought in to play sweeper-keeper, to start attacks by playing outside of his box. But we are not using him that way, most of his passes were short, and the few long range passes he tried had about 50% accuracy (i.e., not good enough).
When Onana gets the ball, our back 4 are supposed to push way up. Instead, they've been sitting 5 yards from him. I think this is due to the lack of pace (serious lack of pace) in that back 4 that started on Sunday. They don't have the speed to recover if an Onana pass goes astray, so they can't push up. So Onana's entire raison d'être is neutered. If the back 4 can't push up, the fullbacks can't overlap and create overloads, so the entire system grinds to a halt.
This was not stressed at all in Jonathan Wilson's wank-fest over City "review" in the Guardian. The fact is, we had 0 of our first choice defenders available and had to field a 35 year old who is on an emergency 1 year contract. That these players are not haring up and down the wings should not be a surprise to anyone (except Jonathan Wilson). So Ten Hag is stuck between trying to keep his system together, while knowing he has square wheels at the back, or reverting to a static 4321 that hasn't worked yet.
Ten Hag has been between a rock and a hard place.
All that does not excuse whatever happened in the 2nd half, with Mount coming on and interchanging positions but no one ever looking to feed him a pass, playing McTominay in the wrong position, and leaving Eriksen on too long. Baffling shit.
I'm not going to argue as you may be right, but I've not seen any team use this system successfully in the way we are trying to.Actually a double 10 isn't that crazy, while not being the most common setup, quite a lot of teams use such formations. However let's play the numbers game and quickly see the issue... I have seen it work well as a 4321, 4222, 3421, 3241. The first one is an extremely defensive counter attacking formation while the other ones all require players on the wing who are hard working and able to defend the wing, no matter how exactly this is implemented.
In other words, if you want to use a double 10, you don't have a place for Rashford (maybe as second striker in a 4222, but only maybe).
That actually was my point, I don't think this combination of players and roles on the pitch will ever work, as a double 10 requires other players around them.I'm not going to argue as you may be right, but I've not seen any team use this system successfully in the way we are trying to.
Slim pickings but he was our best player?What I want to know is ..... who the feck voted for Dalot as MoM!!
Glad someone else highlighting this utter ABU statement from Mowbray and made him look absolutely clueless on the matterHaha..never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
His left knee that was causing him trouble, even before that incident and Roy caught him across his leg. He even admitted this later. He also played the following week, then carried on playing for a couple more years, not much because he did have an operation on his left knee. Not to mention he returned to play in 2010/2011 in the Norwegian 2nd/3rd tier for a few games.
Not even close, 86% got it right, how 14% didn't is a mysterySlim pickings but he was our best player?
Best outfield player, I should have said. Onana made some cracking saves but his distribution was horrible, so can see why he might not have been a popular choice.Not even close, 86% got it right, how 14% didn't is a mystery
Nonsese. He hasn't touched a drop!MF - legless 31 year old, left abandoned in midfield on his own 2nd half.
Of course it's gonna be the worst as we are living the worst periode of this club in over 30 yrsHad a look at the Fbref match report. One thing that really stands out in an awful way is the cumulative Post-shot xG from the three shots on goal we managed, which was 0.17! That is by far the worst PSxG of the season (second worst is the 0-1 192.168.100.1 192.168.1.1 defeat to Palace, where it was 0.32). City's PSxG by the way was almost the same as their xG (3.94). Another confirmation that Onana had a strong game, but also of City's ability to translate their opportunities into quality finishes.
From memory it was actually his admission that got the court case he tried to bring thrown out.Glad someone else highlighting this utter ABU statement from Mowbray and made him look absolutely clueless on the matter
Without him the 3 would be filled in the other side as well!Best outfield player, I should have said. Onana made some cracking saves but his distribution was horrible, so can see why he might not have been a popular choice.
Has to be onana.Slim pickings but he was our best player?
It was so embarrasing the way City were able to ease up and basically played like it was a kick about in the park. Ive never left a match early but I was sorely tempted to do so on Sunday; I felt sickened by the jubilation and gleefulness of the City fans. Im not sure how many more matches like that I'll be able to take!As Tommy Doc once famously remarked, "we were lucky to get nil".
Not exactly a high scoring 'thrashing' (could easily have been), but a 'thrashing' none the less. True in the first half in particular we had a few of the those famous 'moments' of play when we might have scored, but they were few and far between and most were afforded by the odd missteps by City players that gave us a chance.
By the end it was like a 'cat playing with a mouse' as City, strolled, rolled and general waltzed around us at will, or at least men against boys. Actually, when I first saw the team ETH was putting out (assuming he had some choice) I thought he would be hoping for a 0-0 or at least settle for a minor defeat.
The substitutions were also a puzzle, true Lindelof had struggled all the match as a full back, (which he 'is definitely not) always chasing Foden and perhaps in the end City were getting too much space down our left side, but taking off Hojlund was a complete mystery, unless he had some injury we didn't know about. Perhaps it was a punishment for Garnacho , (for the Gorilla thing), to put a young lad on at that stage in a match so one sided, the lad could have done nothing about the result, only share in the misery... perhaps that was what was intended.
We are indeed in a poor state just now and despite ETH's best intentions, he does not seem to be exercising any control, certainly not over his captain, who once again proved that despite being a half decent player, he is not a captain.
Paul Tierney