Samid
He's no Bilal Ilyas Jhandir
We won?I thought it was completely obvious and justified that we would win, then I see everyone having a fecking conniption in here
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We won?I thought it was completely obvious and justified that we would win, then I see everyone having a fecking conniption in here
Yes, WE as a people. We are all Messi.We won?
Messi FC. We all share in his golden balls.. touch... fondle them... weigh them. Heavy yes and ever shiny.We won?
The same reason that Cannavaro got it in 2006, Ronaldo in 2002 when he played only 10 games outside the World Cup: he was the best player of the most important tournament in world football. "If you look at quality, he couldn't win on quality". Yes he can, did you see his World Cup performance? Could Haaland or Mbappe have won it? Sure. But Messi did, and it was decided by a lot of journalists and coaches of different countries.I know very well how that event works and I know how it works behinds scenes. Don't worry about that.
I think Messi is one of worlds best, if not the best, footballer of all time. That doesn't mean he should get awards just because he is Messi.
Can you tell my why he got it? Was he best player last year? Was it because of World Cup? Because I can give you a lot of players winning more than he did last year. We got a ManCity player winning pretty much everything there is to win last year, inclusive World Cup. I'm not saying he is better player but if you count trophies. If you look at quality he isn't that Messi he used to be, so he couldn't win on quality. So why did he win? I want to here your opinion.
You probably think Ronaldo should have won it, knowing you.Pretty sure as per France Football’s criteria, the date the award was being given for excludes the world cup period. It states explicitly on their website that it’s from December 22nd till sometime in June/July after the season has ended.
I really have a hard timed deducing what grounds Messi is being given the award for.
I mean Di Maria who was fantastic at the World Cup and probably the MOTM in the final wasn’t even nominated…
And for the record, I don’t think halaand should have won it either.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Ballon_d'OrYou probably think Ronaldo should have won it, knowing you.
Not really, Mahrez didn't play in the finals for a start. 52 goals in 53 games didn't matter apparently. Nobody has scored more goals for City in a season or got particularly close to that, despite the many quality forwards that have played there since Abu Dhabi took over in the past 10-15 years. He scored 12 goals in 11 Champions League games too, that was not an important part of the treble-winning team? People have impossible standards.From City's squad last season Mahrez, De Bruyne, Gundogden, and Rodri were all probably played a bigger and more important part than Haaland in City's treble so should have been ahead of him.
With De Bruyne's hard work City and Haaland especially would have scored a lot less goals, It was Mahrez goals in the Semi that got City to the FA Cup final, it was Gundogdun's brace in the FA Cup final that won it for them, and it was Rodri's performance and goal in the European Cup final that completed the treble.
@rimaldoCan someone conjure up a good tease story with Messi having foreplay with his wife revealing his 8 golden balls?
You are mentioning the goals but completely ignoring the hard work from the players around him that created those goals for him and without those players and pens he would have scored a lot less goals, those players I mentioned all were more deserving than Haaland.Not really, Mahrez didn't play in the finals for a start. 52 goals in 53 games didn't matter apparently. Nobody has scored more goals for City in a season or got particularly close to that, despite the many quality forwards that have played there since Abu Dhabi took over in the past 10-15 years. He scored 12 goals in 11 Champions League games too, that was not an important part of the treble-winning team? People have impossible standards.
Not really. If there’s no real serious standout individual at a World Cup, and Haaland actually shows up in the 2 or 3 biggest CL games or the FA cup final or whatever then he’d probably get it. I think a lot of people are confusing the Ballon D’or with the golden boot award.seems like haaland will never win a ballon dor in a world cup year.
That was my point. Has Messi been the best player in the world last season?Because they were easily the 2 best players in the world for about 14 years.
For me its a toss up. Between Messi, Haaland and Mpabbe. Messi's played more for PSG as the guy who delivers the service than ever and many passes that werent converted in goals were sublime. But i wouldnt have protested either if Haaland or Mpabbe won it. Essentially for me there wasnt any single footballer who was clearly the best in the world last season.That was my point. Has Messi been the best player in the world last season?
Can’t be Mbappe or vinicious so had to be Messi then. It’s an easy decision really. He was the story of last year in football.I never mentioned Haaland?
The funny thing is if it were based purely on the best player in the world he’d be in double figures by now.According to some, Messi should have only won 1 Ballon D'Or, perhaps 2 times in his entire career . Everytime he wins one, people complain there were better players. 10 Sneijder, 11/12 Xavi/Iniesta, 19 van Dijk, 23 Haaland, a few times Ronaldo in between. How dares Messi to win the trophy for the best player in the world.
Let’s see Haaland bag 20+ goals and assists from deeper and win a World Cup with some of the greatest showings ever when he’s 35-36Messi 2022 2023 season: 27 goals, 26 assists
G/A with PSG against:
4 G/A vs Nantes
3 G/A vs clermont foot
3 G/A vs Lille
3 G/A vs Toulouse
3 G/A vs Ajaccio
3 G/A vs Nice
3 G/A vs Marseille
2 G/A vs Brest
2 G/A vs Troyes
2 G/A vs Angers
1 G/A vs Lyon
1 G/A vs Auxxere
Just posting this so people here have context when his fanboys chime in with their G/A statistics when comparing him to Haaland's season.
It's not about impossible standards. It's just a stupid train of thought.Not really, Mahrez didn't play in the finals for a start. 52 goals in 53 games didn't matter apparently. Nobody has scored more goals for City in a season or got particularly close to that, despite the many quality forwards that have played there since Abu Dhabi took over in the past 10-15 years. He scored 12 goals in 11 Champions League games too, that was not an important part of the treble-winning team? People have impossible standards.
Yeah there's been a lot of weird stuff said about Messi and Haaland in this thread, when they deserve to be 1 and 2 in the Ballon d'Or this year. Haaland had a brilliant year and deserved it most years, but Messi's World Cup was a once-off great tournament that deserved to be rewarded.It's not about impossible standards. It's just a stupid train of thought.
Haaland was City's best player last season. Period. It was a team effort but remember when Pep excoriated his team for being happy flowers in the middle of the season? That wasn't aimed at Haaland, who was the best of a mediocre (by their standards) bunch in the first half of the season.
Its because if Messi scores like Pele, dribbles like Maradonna and passes like Cryuff its not enough unless he wins the CL. At least it seems like alot people think like that.The funny thing is if it were based purely on the best player in the world he’d be in double figures by now.
Just people with agendas and massive amounts of copiums.Its because if Messi scores like Pele, dribbles like Maradonna and passes like Cryuff its not enough unless he wins the CL. At least it seems like alot people think like that.
But Haaland wasnt City's best player last season, his off the ball work is poor and he went missing too often in big games failing to get a single goal or assist against Chelsea or Liverpool.It's not about impossible standards. It's just a stupid train of thought.
Haaland was City's best player last season. Period. It was a team effort but remember when Pep excoriated his team for being happy flowers in the middle of the season? That wasn't aimed at Haaland, who was the best of a mediocre (by their standards) bunch in the first half of the season.
Haaland is nothing but a goal scorer. Messi is much more than that. Man City without Haaland would still win. Argentina without Messi would not win.Messi 2022 2023 season: 27 goals, 26 assists
G/A with PSG against:
4 G/A vs Nantes
3 G/A vs clermont foot
3 G/A vs Lille
3 G/A vs Toulouse
3 G/A vs Ajaccio
3 G/A vs Nice
3 G/A vs Marseille
2 G/A vs Brest
2 G/A vs Troyes
2 G/A vs Angers
1 G/A vs Lyon
1 G/A vs Auxxere
Just posting this so people here have context when his fanboys chime in with their G/A statistics when comparing him to Haaland's season. Haaland had 36 premier league goals (a record) and 12 CL goals for reference.
antonela: “for once, can’t you just make love to me like i’m your wife? i’m tired of having to wear this portugal kit.”Can someone conjure up a good tease story with Messi having foreplay with his wife revealing his 8 golden balls?
https://www.mancity.com/news/mens/etihad-player-of-the-season-winner-announced-63822162But Haaland wasnt City's best player last season, his off the ball work is poor and he went missing too often in big games failing to get a single goal or assist against Chelsea or Liverpool.
KDB was probably City's best player last season as he always put a good shift in regardless off the opposition.
Ronaldo is a pure hearted soul robbed by fraud Messi who rigs and buys referees.I see Ronaldo’s kept it classy posting his laughing emojis on a post by a Spanish journalist claiming Messi’s been robbing ballon d’or’s and should only have 5. Guy should say nothing it’s a far better look!
He was the story of the World Cup.Can’t be Mbappe or vinicious so had to be Messi then. It’s an easy decision really. He was the story of last year in football.
The stories of the last year in football were Messi finally winning the World Cup + his move to and hot start in MLS, Ronaldo joining the Saudi League followed by other star players and the potential rise of that League or City finally winning the CL as part of a treble.He was the story of the World Cup.
I would say KDB was the best player for Manchester City with Rodri being a close second as agreed by most in football forums. In the finals, Haaland was the usual suspect, easily the worst performer.But Haaland wasnt City's best player last season, his off the ball work is poor and he went missing too often in big games failing to get a single goal or assist against Chelsea or Liverpool.
KDB was probably City's best player last season as he always put a good shift in regardless off the opposition.
In the quiet embrace of their cozy living room, Lionel gently clasped his wife's hand, leading her gently to a display case that housed his cherished trophies. Antonella's soft gasp reverberated through the room as she absorbed the grandeur of the scene before her.Can someone conjure up a good tease story with Messi having foreplay with his wife revealing his 8 golden balls?
Golden!In the quiet embrace of their cozy living room, Lionel gently clasped his wife's hand, leading her gently to a display case that housed his cherished trophies. Antonella's soft gasp reverberated through the room as she absorbed the grandeur of the scene before her.
"I wanted you to see my balls up close," Lionel whispered, his voice barely audible, "to truly comprehend what they mean to me."
Eyes alight with wonder, Antonella responded, "They serve as a testament to your unwavering dedication, Leo. Each one speaks of your relentless pursuit of excellence."
Lionel's voice, tinged with a profound tenderness, resonated in the room as he confessed, "They are a reminder of the struggles endured, the victories celebrated, and the unwavering support of those who have believed in me." With a gentle touch, Antonella conveyed her unwavering faith, "I believe in you, Leo. These trophies, they're not just a part of your journey; they're intricately woven into our shared narrative. They remind me of the very strength and passion that captivated me from the start."
A soft smile graced Lionel's lips, a reflection of the depth of his affection. "You, Antonella, you're my greatest triumph. With you standing beside me, these gilded memories radiate even more brightly."
In that moment, Leo's balls shimmered in the gentle glow of the room, a silent witness to the depth of their bond.
The irony given the Barcelona alegationsRonaldo is a pure hearted soul robbed by fraud Messi who rigs and buys referees.
According to my opinion it should have been:According to certain section of Cristiano fans, apart from 2009 UCL, he deserves none of his Ballon Dor.
2010 Sneijder
2011 Xavi
2012 Iniesta
2015 Neymar
2019 Van Dijk
2021 Lewandowski
2023 Halland.
Since Ronaldo has been irrelevant for a long time, they have become the biggest supporters of Lewandowski, Mbappe in the WC, and not Haaland. The tragic thing is they think nobody notices them.I wonder what the Venn diagram of those saying Haaland should have won it, and Ronaldo fanboys, would look like
What are your criteria?The irony given the Barcelona alegations
According to my opinion it should have been:
2008: Ronaldo
2009: Messi
2010: Sneijder
2011: Messi
2012: Messi / Ronaldo (Messi scored more goals but only won Copa del Rey, Ronaldo scored 30 less goals but won La Liga and reached semis of the Euro)
2013: Ribery / Robben
2014: Ronaldo (broke the CL record of goals, benefited from Germany winning the WC with a very balanced team with no one really shining individually above the others)
2015: Messi
2016: Ronaldo
2017: Ronaldo
2018: Modric
2019: Van Dijk
2021: Lewandowski
2022: Benzema
2023: Haaland
Just like everybody else's, a subjective combination of individual performances and competitions won / impact on those competitionsWhat are your criteria?