Gaslighting isn't really the term but yeah they capitalize on the fact that people may not realize that it is a pretty big distortion of reality.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Journalists should be some of the most protected in the world. But we have all seen that nothing will happen when protected/rich states kill them. Sickening. So far 33 journalist confirmed killed, of course the majority of them Palestinian.
That's just a polite way of saying he was a cnut.
We can totally understand why most if Israelis adopts this position wanting security at any cost (as long as is not their cost by the way), fear, panic, revenge are very primal feelings. But that doesn't mean that we have to let it fly. If it is wrong is wrong. That is why jurors can't have any attachment to the person that is judged. And in this thread we are judging Israel and Palestine actions, or at least some of their institution - factions that are the ones that are taking these despicable actions. If someone kills someone that I love, I would probably react asking for blood, and trust me, if Israel would be able to get their hands on Hamas, I would be the first to ask for revenge on that barbaric act. The problem is that they are asking for blood for civilians, some of them justifies it to get to Hamas (pipe dream), but some of them wants the blood of the kids calling them snakes. All Palestinians are terrorists apparently for the Israeli government, and a majority supports it not a minority
Saying that Amir is on a situation that no one here had experienced might make us understand his appalling comments in these exceptional circumstances, but it doesn't make it right and it needs to be called out. Specially when definitely he is not suffering as much as the Palestinians, specially because he is benefiting of the suffering of the Palestinians through the occupation of their land and future gains. Land that was occupied by his previous generations in a fashion similar than Hamas. And he is asking for more, not for more suffering of Palestinians but for his own security even if that means killing thousands of innocents.
He doesn't want to end whatever the cost. He wants it to end what ever the 5 million (Gaza + WB) of Palestinians cost. And that is selfish and disgusting. Meanwhile, the suffering Israelis keeps gathering in a mountain to see the fireworks of the bombings
Guy might be a vet. Britain lost 70k civilians, germany lost millions, therefore Britain should have done a ceasefire as it wasn’t a just war but rather genocide. Part of the larger ‘innocents die in war, you guys have no idea how war works or what a war crime is’ overarching argument going about the last few days.
He is a vet, lost both legs & some fingers in Afghanistan (he was a bomb disposal tech / sapper). That doesn't absolve the rhetoric he is using here.
I just can't determine if the erroneous conflation is unintentional or intentional.
At this point they should just forcibly expel them Kuwait style. Or well, instead of the first air strikes. Would have been better for everyone.
He was essentially saying that we should doubt Palestinians being regarded as civilians, essentially insinuating they were all fair game.
You're also essentially comparing a world war involving some of the strongest military powers history has ever seen with a conflict with Hamas which is utterly absurd.
Nah it’s stupid as feck, but it’s one of the prevailing herd arguments going about lately. A lot of it is pushing back against what a) they See as unfair slander against military methods in general from people who sit in judgment b) the radicalisation of young rotc etc and college campuses.
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Nah he’s saying that civilians aren’t particularly important when you have military objectives to fulfil. But as per above he’s just mainly echoing a point from an echo chamber.
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Not a drone expert, but wouldn't the soldiers have heard or noticed it buzzing above them? Seems like they were largely at ease before it dropped the bomb.
You'd think, but if there is noise from arty or bombs anywhere close to them, that could easily be enough to blend in the sound of the buzzing.
Israel have drones running 24/7 over gaza also, so i guess they would assume its just one of their own.
Was just about to post the same.
No.
Aside from the utterly absurd comparison between Hamas and the Wehrmacht in terms of military power, their objectives and the danger they represent, he didn't say "innocent german civilians" but specifically used the expression "innocent nazi civilians", the conflation intended here being more than obvious.
He's a human piece of trash and a criminal.
I'm just repeating the trope going around, as many might not be aware of it. I've said it's dumb!
No words.
With the way this mess is going, is there a way for the Knesset to oust Netanyahu in the same way that the House of Commons ousted Neville Chamberlain out of 10 Downing Street because of the very poor conduct of WW2 by 1940? The current approach used by the IDF as authorized by Netanyahu won't fly for much longer without further repercussions on the diplomatic front.
Sorry mate, I missed that one.
Unfortunately, Israelis aren't using their minds right now. It is all about emotions and revenge... As an Israeli poster wrote yesterday only external pressure could make Israel deal with this reasonably (there are no clean wars, but what we are witnessing is among the dirtiest imaginable... ).No words.
With the way this mess is going, is there a way for the Knesset to oust Netanyahu in the same way that the House of Commons ousted Neville Chamberlain out of 10 Downing Street because of the very poor conduct of WW2 by 1940? The current approach used by the IDF as authorized by Netanyahu won't fly for much longer without further repercussions on the diplomatic front.
Netanyahu won't survive long term, but he has the mandate to lead the war. He won't be ousted unless there is immense pressure from the outside to change course. And that isn't happening anytime soon. Israel friends in the Arab world tried to talk some sense into Netanyahu, but he doesn't give a f*** ( Jordan gave up apparently and called their ambassador... I expect UAE and Morocco to follow suit at some point under pressure from the public opinion).
Bibi wants to take control of Gaza with minimal casualties to his soldiers, and killing thousands and thousands of innocent civilians doesn't seem to bother him at all (the verses of the Bible he's been citing are pretty grim)...
Israel's friends in the West are in complete denial, trying to pretend this isn't happening... I am starting to wonder how long they can keep it going?
At some point, Biden might decide it's too much, he would then apply enough pressure (behind closed doors of course) to force Netanyahu's hand, but until then it is only going to get worse...
Good point.
Mate, human suffering is human suffering. Doesn't matter whether you are jewish or arab.
What makes you feel that innocent arab life is any less worthy than the life of an innocent jew?
"Whoever Saves a Life Saves the World"
How is it that your people have forgotten about this?
Equating the powerfight between nazi germany vs allies and Israel vs hamas. do you even think what you write?
This is in no way my opinion, nor am I even commenting on it. I'm simply explaining its a common a theory/argument/trope/whatever bouncing around the echo chamber of US/UK veterans communities in the past week or so, and he's probably just picked up on that, repurposed and reworded it for his own opinion. Hence 'guy might be a vet' - those are the communities this argument is currently originating from.
no worries, seems i worded it badly as others thought the same haha.
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That's an absolutely ridiculous and intellectually vapid comparison, at no point are they equal nor comparable.
In reality, in this strange comparison of yours, Israel is closer to Germany in the second world war, taking over Poland and killing Poles and people asking them to stop.
I mean, to compare an occupied civilian population, who are under the rule of terrorists to Nazi Germany is gross and offensive tbh.
what? This whole post makes my head hurt. It's not my comparison, For heavens sake, you've managed to convolute it even further.
Civilians are civilians. Whether they live in Nazi Germany under terrorist Nazis, or whether they live in Gaza under Hamas terrorists. Killing civilians is bad. They are using it as an 'ends justify the means argument,' not a 'palestinians are nazis' or whatever you divined from it, because as officers that's their outlook.
I was merely adding information to the discussion, by pointing out that it's an ongoing talking point for veterans in the US/UK over the last week or so. As a veteran, he was likely in that echo chamber, hence was using their herd mentality talking points.
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Vast majority of 300 million people or so?
Thing is Isreal is taking care of West Bank too so to say so they're at fault for the whole situation same as Hamas. Even if they destroy Hamas, which I doubt they will with their actions they'll create some other terrorist organisation. They're not interested in 2 states solution, they just want make Palestinians disappear by any means necessary.
You said it yourself, you want to feel safe whatever the means.
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What a government.
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Speaking of the 7th, Smotrich says: "Maybe we should have received this terrible and painful blow to remember who we are and what we are"
And of course he is one of the main reasons for this (On the 7th October, 32 battalions for WB vs only 2 for the Hamas-ruled Gaza)
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Worth a watch, me thinks. It's Piers Morgan, but the interviewee is truly worth listening to if one wants to understand the "arab street".
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The conclusion doesn't follow the argument, which is probably why polls do show support for a ceasefire.
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