All United fans I know away from here want to keep him.
Which is a massive contrast, as everyone I knew away from here was dying to get rid of Ole and Jose, and it was only on here I used to see them staunchly supported.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager / awaiting clarity from the club over his position
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Which is a massive contrast, as everyone I knew away from here was dying to get rid of Ole and Jose, and it was only on here I used to see them staunchly supported.
You have an agenda. You always have. You spout nonsense, get proved wrong and then disappear for a few days so you don't have to accept it.
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“You are mistaken. The Liverpool 7-0 match displayed the same tactics we’ve seen before. These are the ‘duels’ that ETH (likely referring to a coach or manager) mentioned from the very beginning. There’s nothing new here; people just didn’t notice until Gary Neville pointed it out. Throughout last season, some of us were pointing out that the system has a structural problem that requires adjustments to work effectively in England. This is also why I’ve consistently argued that our main issue coming into the summer was in the midfield, not a striker. Unfortunately, we ended up acquiring Mount instead of a combative box-to-box player.
I’ve also emphasized the need for playmaker-type wide players and how our lack of goals is primarily due to this deficiency. This also contributes to the problem of the midfield being too open, and constant recovery efforts. However, this high-intensity style is only sustainable for about 20 minutes. The coach can condition the players and drill them extensively, but the team seems to conform to his expectations only for the initial 20 minutes, after which everyone resorts to freestyling. There are limits to what the players can physically sustain.”
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It's a two-way street. ETH will have approved spending 1/3 of his budget on Mount.
He's never recovered from his idol Jose being sacked. Truth is, he's probably gonna hate every single manager we get.
Don't need the patronizing.
I meant players over the years have had so much power that they have collectively decided the fate of managers. This has nothing to do with what players ETH or Jose or Ole bought.
It seems like patronising is the lowest form of sarcasm. Real low.
The players are far from blameless, but the manager clearly isn’t doing a great job either. Both sides can be guilty, because they are.
The internet never lies bro
It's a whole multitude of reasons. Some get upset when they're pointed out as they feel it's exonorating ETH.
I've literally never seen a lie on the Internet. True story.
No, but then Ten Hag didn't play a typical Ajax style at Ajax either. His football was already much more vertical and direct. So you have to wonder what he means here exactly. Probably another level up from his directness at Ajax? At Ajax he played a kind hybrid of Guardiola's and Klopp's style, so maybe he intends to go more towards the latter, then?
I think this quote is interpreted far too binary (black and white). He's not saying United would play nothing like his Ajax team, and anyone thinking they know exactly what he means are just making it up - me too when suggesting he might want to play more like Klopp. (Klopp from a few years ago anyway; not sure how Liverpool play right now.)
In the immoral words of George Costanza 'It's not a lie if you believe in it'
If you don’t clearly state your opinion you’ve got a bunch of buffoons on either side of the debate ready to go bonkers at you. Exhausting. I’m massively disappointed by Ten Hag this season, but christ the way a large number of players have performed has been shameful.
We're at that point where you're all in or all out, unfortunately.
Would be lovely if we saw a bit of a refreshment of the squad in January. A bunch of talented young players in their early to mid 20s who showed a bit of hunger and desire to succeed and are physically up to the standards of the Premier League. It would make such a huge impact.
First of all, he didn't play a single style at Ajax. The team that got to the semi final of the CL and his last iteration, were very different, You're not recruited for a specific style, you're recruited for the capacity to be the manager for a massive club.
Second of all, listen to the podcast or read the actual quotes before going on a rant that has nothing to do with what the guy is saying. Every word he comes out with is being twisted in every single way, some of it understandably so, but in this instance, there's nothing strange about what he said - unless you've decided beforehand that everything he says means a certain thing, and that you should be negative about it (I'm not saying you specifically, it's a general "you").
Yeah. Not an either or situation in the slightest.
If course, I have. It is never good when people may potentially lose jobs. But that is in the real world where people are scared to lose a job because they have bills to pay and may be concerned about getting a new job.
But these are footballers on multi-year contracts, with millions in the bank. They are not going anywhere if United are taken over.
You have fans saying, "these players are happy to throw the manager under the bus because they know they will outlast him".
Yet you're saying they are not performing because they fear for their futures.
You cant have it both ways.
And if they really feared for their futures, play better.
I think most would have said he was a better prospect for us than Mount, especially for 20mil less.
Mount had not performed for Chelsea since 2021. Maddison was excellent for LCFC, despite their relegation.
When will enough be enough?
When we lose tomorrow and are knocked out of the CL by Copenhagen?
When we lose 7 or 8 nil to Newcastle,Liverpool away in Dec?
Etc etc.
There is no turning this around now.
We have the 4th easiest run of fixtures in the next 5 games according to Opta, if we don't take a great points haul from that list, it would be a really grim implication that it is getting unsalvageable.
I am firmly ETH in, players and culture is the bigger issue and he needs to be given time to stamp himself properly on the club.
I am firmly ETH in, players and culture is the bigger issue and he needs to be given time to stamp himself properly on the club.
Being a Manchester United player is incredibly lucrative. Most of the players set to be shipped out will feel a significant financial impact when they leave.They won't get this sort of payday anywhere else - mostly because they aren't good enough to be Real Madrid players.
I’m curious. What then should he do to mend his relationship with these entitled and mediocre players?
He signed a good few of them. He must take responsibility.
The source of the story is the Sun. Which means it’s untrue bollocks.
A big stretch to say he took us from "nowhere". It's the equivalent of Ten Hag being sacked now and the saying the next manager is starting from nowhere.
I don't think he has a problem with any of the guys he signed. I'm certainly not seeing that.
Who is getting shipped out?
We have seen that it is near impossible to get rid of even McTominay and Maguire. The latter wanted his West Ham salary topped up by MUFC, for leaving his more lucrative United contact early.
Only ones that need to be concerned are the ones who's contact run out at the end of the year. I think that is Martial, Lindelof and AWB. Apart from Martial, who is a crock, any other player who leaves United on a free will join a club on a nice salary and a fat signing bonus.
Players will always be fine.
Just talking in his press conference about quick transitions and not his Ajax style being on the menu. Because we have players like Scott McTominay, Antony, Hojlund.
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Based on the premise you state, he
It would take an actual genius to get the absolute best out of players that are both entitled and mediocre.
And ETH
ETA In my opinion entitled and mediocre players should be dealt with mercilessly at a club like United. But it shouldn't be the responsibility of the "manager" (head coach) to do this.
ETH, ideally, should be coaching players who are neither (overly) entitled nor (decidedly) mediocre. If they are (overly) entitled and mediocre (relatively speaking, of course), that really isn't his problem - but the problem of someone above him in the structure, who should have done a better recruitment job.
(Yes, I know this isn't how it works at United - but that's kinda the point.)
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These players that got to 2 finals and finished 3rd in the league last season? What about the multiple Champions League winners also? I bet everyone wishes they were that mediocre.
good presser from him today
Maguire played 1600 minutes last season and 550 this one. McTominay played 1700 last season and 450 this one. Those are good minutes. Why leave?
Wanna get rid of a player? Drop those numbers down to 50-400 minutes per season.
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Honestly speaking, is ETH the right man? He has been playing 433 ever since he is here. He doesn't tweak the system against team. Every team has figure out United and will always have a chance against United. Even with all th FB put, he rather play Lindeloft and Amrabat put of position. Both of these is too slow against wingers, isn't it obvious? We are leaking from left and right wing and yet Rashford hardly support defence. ETH is the problem right now, if the player is not following instructions then you have to drop him. If the players are following your instructions then your tactics are wrong. From 3rd in the table to free falling without fight is really bad. I would sack him immediately as it clearly isn't working.
1600 mins is 17 games.
We played 62 games last season in all comps.
He should have left and if United had paid the cash to cover his lower West Ham salary, he would have.
Your idea is crap.
I'm not saying they are fearing for their futures. Their situation is normal. But they interact with staff at the club every day. And these people are regular people with regular paychecks. And there is uncertainty all around. It's a toxic work environment all around and it's felt at every level and eventually that will spill onto the pitch. It's been brewing for ages.
Load of crap