Tuchel at United? That would likely be an amazing desaster when he publicly voices his discontent with the board
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Not another Chelsea castoff.
A wiser version of him would hopefully temper his ways.Tuchel at United? That would likely be an amazing desaster when he publicly voices his discontent with the board
I like a distressed asset.
There is no other club that has backed their manager to the tune of £407m other than that mad man at Chelsea. The current squad woes are squarely with Ten Hag
It's starting to feel like the game is up for Ten Hag.
There's still no obvious choice to replace him though which is part of the problem.
There's still no obvious choice to replace him though which is part of the problem.
What was the Tuchel issue at Chelsea? Simon Jordan often hints at him being sacked at Chelsea due to some behavioral issues.Tuchel at United? That would likely be an amazing desaster when he publicly voices his discontent with the board
Ruben Amorim.
Great tactician, loved and respected by his players. Fantastic communicator who speaks very good English.
I think Ten Hag is devoid of the personality required to engage with our players.
Great tactician, loved and respected by his players. Fantastic communicator who speaks very good English.
I think Ten Hag is devoid of the personality required to engage with our players.
I wouldn't know, @stefan92 might?
I don't think changing the manager will have any effect anytime soon while Glazers are still owners of the club.
But to be fair, I don't think ETH is capable to lead the team to glory, he's doing too many tactical errors, he can't rotate the squad properly, he can't switch players' positions properly, and his scouting team is way below the standards of a big club.
Plus I lost faith in him when he let DdG go, to replace him with the worst GK this club has ever had.
But to be fair, I don't think ETH is capable to lead the team to glory, he's doing too many tactical errors, he can't rotate the squad properly, he can't switch players' positions properly, and his scouting team is way below the standards of a big club.
Plus I lost faith in him when he let DdG go, to replace him with the worst GK this club has ever had.
Tuchel basically was brought in to be just a coach - he doesn't actually want to be involved in transfers, so when he joined Chelsea he was extremely happy to work with the hierarchy of Granovskaia and Cech.
When the new owners came in, they completely flipped this - all of a sudden he was being relied upon to not only be involved with but to help lead recruitment, work closely with new owners who kept bothering him with incessant questions, and have tonnes of meetings with agents. He absolutely hated this and expressed his displeasure with ownership, who decided that they couldn't work with him (reportedly one of the flashpoints was Tuchel instantly dismissing the possibility of signing Ronaldo from you lot, since the owners didn't understand why this would be such a terrible idea).
Thanks.
So under this current United structure, Tuchel would be an awful fit as our DoF etc seem to rely on manager input for signings.
It is interesting though, because at Bayern there seems to be hints at them trying to sign players he wants. May be coincidence that they were ready to sign Palhinha and there were even rumors of McTominay going to Bayern.
And I believe it was reported that he just reacted with a thumbs down on WhatsApp to that idea? Definitely it seems to be the case that his communication wasn't as expected by the new board.
He also fell out with the Dortmund board after the bomb attack on the team and apparently had issues with Leonardo at PSG.
And he already publicly criticised Bayern's board for the summer transfer window failure which got the public response from their president that he is payed to coach the players they got him and not to complain about it.
Even in Mainz he left by deciding he wanted to take a sabbatical on a short note despite having a valid contract. Wasn't well received by their board.
So overall he has delivered excellent results and seemed to have good relations to the players, but always got into trouble with his superiors.
Just imagine him expecting Murtough to do a transfer window on his own and then publicly going against him when he doesn't like the results.
Usually Bayern gets about one player per window that the manager really likes, but only if they are also convinced about that player and usually as a bit of a cherry on top.
And generally they are open to a manager demanding player profiles and looking for available players that fit. Tuchel has stated that he wants to get a player that can play a "holding six" role and Palinha would have been just that, but if that exact player is his idea or someone else came up with him probably doesn't even matter.
Tuchel seems happy to give his input when asked on a limited basis - but he has no patience for being involved in the day-to-day of recruitment basically.
The new owners wanted him to basically be available at their beck and call to answer a lot of pretty inane questions about recruitment, the sport in general, etc - when all he wanted was to be left alone so he could coach.
He's probably next on the list, as he was supposedly on the shortlist with Ten Hag.
He clearly has no patience for bullshit from his superiors. That said, when Chelsea were functioning like a competent organisation he was completely harmonious and did a brilliant job.
Personally I think he's mostly been vindicated in his clashes with the various boards post-Mainz but I'm a completely biased Tuchel apologist who thinks Chelsea sacking him was the second dumbest thing they've done in the past 25 years.
Yes, except him leaving Mainz I agree on the facts. He just seems to lack the right manners how to deal with such conflicts. Not only with his superiors, but also with the media. His current regular clashes with Didi and Lothar (the so called pundits Sky employs at the moment) are somewhat over the top from both sides...
This is it, ETH doesn’t have the charisma to manage a modern, young, elite football club, he’s a dinosaur
Yeah agreed - sometimes it feels like he shoots himself in the foot because he just can't be arsed to play politics at all.
I get how that would be very frustrating. Wasn't he also doing through some personal issues at the time? Maybe a divorce or something?
That as well. But his history leads me to believe he would have dealt with the new owners in this way even if he had a perfect marriage.
If Jimmy wants to make an statement he should bring Zizou. Give him all the money he wants.
I kind of find it strange that people in football cant find solutions for these issues. Tuchel only has to say to the owners, bring in a DoF as a priority, let him be your go to for player recruitment and let me coach the team.
I think in the first year, Bohley had agents all over him, pushing players in his direction.
Tuchel with a SD dealing with most of the recruitment and other sundry distractions, and with a Assistant Manager to occasionally play 'good cop', would be the best 'overall' candidate realistically available soon, given winning record, tactical and coaching smarts, pragmatic but not 'anti-football'' approach . I can see the reasoning in going for a real u and coming coach under proposed SD structure, but that would mean a riskier approach that also involves getting rid of most of the more 'senior' players...
I doubt it.....
“Certain conditions make things more difficult,” he said. “Language, for example. When people say to me, ‘Do you want to go to Manchester?’ Well, I understand English but I don’t fully master it. I know there are coaches who go to clubs without speaking the language, but I work differently. To win, many elements come into play. It’s a global context. I know what I need to win.”
https://theathletic.com/4106988/2023/01/26/zinedine-zidande-france-relam-madrid/
Why do you say "realistically available soon". His contact expires end of 2025.
Things are going pretty well at Bayern, even though they are not currently top.
There's always a potential storm at FC Hollywood, especially with someone as 'strong-minded' as Tuchel and the fact that winning the league is taken for granted. Also, I think they'd be looking at Tuchel for Summer 2024, with an interim right now whilst structure is being revamped, so it'd be potentially 'just' a 1 year buy-out.
I say 'realistically' in the context of established and 'suitable' managers - Zidane won't go there, Guardiola is out of the question (again from his/City's end); likewise Klopp. Ancelotti is (a) going to Brazil and (b) isn't someone to set a coaching system and style in the same way. He makes good players and existing frameworks better through diplomacy and common-sense and charisma rather than being an intensive coach. Xavi is at his 'dream-club' and probably won't move until he has a proper shot at winning the Champions League or City come in for him to replace Pep if it isn't Arteta/De Zerbi. And so on...
Also very young but no PL experience is a concern. But players from Portugal adopt quickly.
PL proven is irrelevant. Most PL winning coaches have won the PL with their first PL team, but after winning titles elsewhere.
Proven winners > PL proven
Zidane is a version of Ancelotti. Tactically, he's a very, very weak coach. Manage egos well and little else.
In my opinion it would be a huge mistake and would sink United even further.
Maybe I'm wrong.
In my opinion it would be a huge mistake and would sink United even further.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Agreed, Zidane would be a disastrous appointment, plus it sounds like he has zero interest in ever managing us.
Imanol Alguacil and he can bring Kubo and Zubimendi with him.
Not true. Zidane has the Ancelotti touch in man management BUT his tactics are different. Zidane is more like Marcelo Lippi and has taken a lot from the French school of thought in his coaching. Also in the 3peat era of CL's (his first stint at Real) Zidane actually copied Pep's Bayern stylistically so he is very flexible coach.
End the season with either ETH or a caretaker, and get Zizou on intensive English classes. I think he must be B1/B2. With proper intensive training he can get to C1 in six months.
We can figure it out at the end of the season when the best managers become available, better structure is in place and if there’s a budget to pay out Brighton to take on someone like RDZ.
For now - we just need to get Ten Hag out of the door so that the mood is lifted. For the interim, replace him with someone who knows the club well and restore the feel-good factor.
I say Meulensteen, Phelan or Quierioz.
For now - we just need to get Ten Hag out of the door so that the mood is lifted. For the interim, replace him with someone who knows the club well and restore the feel-good factor.
I say Meulensteen, Phelan or Quierioz.
Good points, ETH might be an exception.
Got to be De Zerbi doesnt it? Premier League proven, over achieved, plays exciting football, ticks all the boxes. Regardless of who comes in they need to be supported by a quality DoF.
The list of names on the bookies list actually makes my stomach turn. Not a single one is worth the upheaval for.
It is rumored Xabi Alonso will go to Real Madrid.
If Ten Hag goes, i think it will be Ruben Amorim or De Zerbi. I say De Zerbi because INEOS have hired one of his understudies at Nice. They may want to recreate that at United with the De Zerbi.
It is worth the upheaval if it is believe that ETH and this squad are just not working. Even if, on paper, ETH may have the better resume.
Regardless though. He isnt getting sacked and nor should he be. Nothing can and should happen if the INEOS partial takeover is near.