Those stinkers happened after the WC. He's just like Rojo when he first started and had a run of form before he got injured.
A change of ownership though? That's got to be a special case whereby they will want to exert their influence. If everything had been going on as we'd expect a club of our stature to merit, maybe then they'd be a bit more arms-length but he who pays the piper calls the tune...
Ridiculous isn't it? If we did get them then some other manager and team didn't...does that mean that manager can have a mare and blame it on the fact that he "didn't get backed"?
Ole didnt get Rice. He didnt get Grealish.
Mourinho didnt get Maguire or Boateng.
De Jong had zero interest in signing, he was a zero percentage possibility transfer. Kane was financially unviable because of Levy. No manager at any Prem club could realistically expect or ask for or demand these two players. And none did.
And you have the fecking audacity to say he was let down because the club didnt produce these two signings for him?
Can you name one defender we've had since Rio and Vidic who's been better?
Lisandro Martinez is not one of the best center backs United have ever had, c'mon.Except with Solskjær and Mourinho there was a lot of noise and rumours leading up to them being sacked. I’ve seen nothing reported of him being on the verge of the sack…
I keep saying this. At least with Ole I could understand the attachment. This guy is just a random bald bloke from Holland.
Our rejects have gone on to win big things. That is not really a strike against him.
Under Ole, our most significant issues were not able to crack low block. It’s only against stronger opponents, playing from back and possession became big hurdles. In long term, that issue, I agree, will be amplified when more and more opponents in the league transit to more proactive approach.
I still support giving ETH some time. There are mitigating factors relating to injuries and the circus he has been dealing with regarding certain players, but you are right to say it hasn’t been anywhere near good enough this season. We have lost more than half our games, apparently, which is shocking. Let’s see if we improve when everything settles down and the injury situation eases, but this can’t continue long term. Results and performances must improve.
I think all the talk of 'mediocrity' is premature. We won a trophy last season and qualified for champions league. That is hardly mediocre. Granted, the start this year has been woeful and it is right that questions are being asked of the manager. However, I think he can't have become a bad manager over-night and I think there are some dubious characters in the squad who may be undermining progress. My fear is that ETH does not have the character to take them on and root them out. Time will tell. Meanwhile laughing at scousers who are making hard work of likes of Luton and Toulouse. Just goes to show that recent results for us do not paint a full picture. There is life in this season yet if dressing room comes together.
Perhaps. But I wouldn’t say that makes him safe. I don’t think there’s any chance he keeps his job if we lose to Everton, galatasaray and Newcastle which is far more likely than not.
Klopp literally finished outside Top4 last season and he barely scraped to 4th when Ole finished 2nd. Should he have gotten the sack then as well?
It's only a buzzword for those who haven't achieved anything in life. SAF himself said he had a vision of how he wanted United to look the moment he walked through the door.
What is it mate, you don't like the fact that your own biased posting past gets brought up as a means of showing that you don't know what you're talking about? Or the fact that you constantly drone about the Ten Hag ****, when you weren't any better about Conte?
At peak performance we've been decent at best under ETH. I'm thinking the 2-0 win over Spurs last season, that was our best performance under him and even that was nothing special.
Think we would go through if we both finished on 7 provided we don't get battered v Bayern which is still a possibility
At the moment I don't think I'd put Martinez ahead of Smalling. It's too short a period to claim he's clearly ahead (or behind), and it'll depend on how he plays when he comes back.
I have said it many times before and will say it again I want the new recruitment structure to decide on Erik's future,if they decide he isn't the guy then fully back the decision,however if they want to give him more time I will back that too.
You read my post and asked me that question? I wonder what your thought process was like for that.
You expect a manager to make every signing a 8+ ?
You haven't provided a single reason for defending the guy except the strawman argument of "no one else available and the board is bad". Nothing about his style, the way he's rebuilding the squad.. Etc. It's the same repeated nonsense, you want him to stay because you can't think of a replacement. You want to change the entire club structure before him. I'm yet to find someone who wants him to stay because he thinks he's doing something right regarding the tactics, style, or the squad. This is more than enough evidence of how terrible he has been. His **** can't even think of proper reasons for why he's the best manager for the current United.
Ten Hag clearly chose the players, therefore he gets criticised
No. But what's it got to do with ETH producing shit football trying to scrape past lower mid table teams?
Those bad seasons came after very good ones (league title won, 2 cups + 2nd in league + CL final). He'd bought himself more than enough credit.
Question, Do you want Murtough to choose it instead?
Yeah it was just a small coincidence that most of the signings were his ex players or happened to play in the league he used to manage. Clearly he had no say in those signings.
Klopp has won the league and the CL. He's one of the best managers in the world. I really wanted ETH to succeed, but he made a lot of mistakes which got us where we are now.
You are correct , Liverpool didn’t have to contend with a World Cup mid year.
Not how a football season works at all.
Exactly! How hard is it for people to understand this?
Really??! You find that strange? I mean this is the dumbest thing I’ve read today and granted I’ve just started going through the day but I think this will still be top of the list.
Haha, I had no idea he was still playing!hey Bebe's scored more league goals this year than Rashford. Put some respect on the man's name.
And that will continue to happen at this club due to enormous pressure. Bring in a new manager with his philosophy, 2 losses and he would be eaten alive by the media and some fans, to the point they abandon their principle for result oriented football. Happened with Van gaal after his loss to Leicester and he integrated Fellaini into the system. Happening again now.
Time + blind faith = Arteta
