I don't think this is true if you check his performance thread even when he was not playing like his absence for a Fulham game.
It's not like we weren't warned by all the Ajax fans. If total control over transfers was the deal-breaker between him becoming the United coach or not, then we should've looked elsewhere.
After Jose and Ole; Dyche would have been more modern tbf.
Hiring a manager isn't an exact science. Your club runs through them like condoms in a brothel.
If majority of fanbase saying the same thing, it would influence the decision makers at the club. Especially nowadays where the Glazers listed in the club as business on NY stock market. Negative public opinion would not easily escape consequences. See how Antony had to be left out the squad due to the domestic violence accusation, despite no official legal proceedings conducted.
Deep
You have the Greenwood example. They were bringing him back but then they didn't.
Doesn't change that public opinion influenced the decision at the club.
If we dont sack this well out of his depth manager we probably wont win against Luton or Everton and will get an absolute hiding off Liverpool that will be worse than the one at Anfield last season.
Not really. Most people are just fighting someone else on the internet. Both the "sack him now" crowd and "don't sack him now" ones.
Klopp’s Liverpool were plagued with injuries a couple seasons ago and started the season terribly, they ended up scraping top 4 in the end because key players returned to fitness and they then went on a winning run. There’s a difference between having a few injuries here and there and having your entire first choice back line unavailable for months, not to mention all the other noise surrounding the club right now. I’m not saying the manager is blameless but you can’t say being decimated with injuries isn’t a factor for our poor performances.
Every time a corruption scandal appears, it gets swept under the rug very quickly.
He's not really got the credentials where he can get away with these kind of results or you can say that with any confidence. We got rid of Jose after a downturn and all of his trophies and past success couldn't save him or inspire the confidence he could turn it around. The Dutch league and a CL Semi (and losing to Tottenham) ain't saving ETH and based on how stubborn he seems here he'll never be a great manager.
I don’t have nor owe allegiance to anyone besides or beyond Manchester United as a club. If I “defend” an individual at any given time - it’s most likely - contextually - for a reason and specific to the instance in which I felt an argument could/should be made for them. That doesn’t mean I’ll go blindly defend them at every turn or absolve of culpability eternally. That’s besides the point though, this is the Ten Hag thread - let’s not muddy the waters. It’s 9/11/23 and United has held 9 losses - including two back to back 0-3 defeats at OT, and is currently last in a CL group that includes Copenhagen and Galatasaray.
Yes, he’s the first appointment of a “modern” or manager in an upward trajectory that we’ve made since Ferguson retired. I don’t understand the reasoning behind “holding onto him” - just because he’s failed it doesn’t mean it is an indictment on modern or managers in an upward trajectory. You just appoint another modern manager/in an upward trajectory. Just because that’s the profile we need, it doesn’t mean Ten Hag is the guy.
I think being aware of the fact that United has gone over a decade without league title or CL is the more reason to throw him in the bushes considering what he has provided in terms of results/performances x how long he’s been here x how much has been spent under him.Ten Hag’s CV isn’t even of the caliber of say a Klopp when he touched down in Liverpool. Guy has some eredivisie titles and a couple/handful of good performances in Europe. What are we saying - another £400m and 3 more seasons to see something?
He bought most of them
We will absolutely not win the EL.
He defo bought some but it's not that simple.
Kind of like we did last year against Barcelona, right?
Do one will you. You wanted Conte who completely imploded at Spurs and have been bitter about ETH getting the job ever since.
Did you even watch the game last night? Did you take into account that we were completely dominating them until the red card?
But United haven't had their entire first-choice back line unavailable for months.
Shaw and Martinez have missed the majority of the season so far and Licha won’t return until after Christmas. Varane’s been in and out the team constantly with injuries, our back up LB hasn’t kicked a ball yet this season and our first choice RB has missed a decent chunk of games and has only just returned. Now maybe a slight exaggeration that all four of our starting back line have all been out for months at the same time but at least 2-3 have been missing for a good while and their back ups are players who people have deemed not good enough a long time ago. That’s a pretty valid reason for our shite performances, not the sole reason but a major contributing factor I’d say. As I said even Klopp struggled and he had a side who’d recently won a CL and PL.
I know that. And you know that. But I was just saying aslong as theirs a chance to qualify for CL then ETH stays.
That's not a response. I understand, though, that Ten Hag's **** have run out of ideas to defend this crap served weekly so the only thing they can do now is attacking the others personally. Beginning of the end for this ****.
Shaw is the only one who's really been gone for months (since August). Martinez has been missing for less than two months, and the record with him on the pitch was terrible (2W4L). Varane has only missed 3 league games to injury. Wan-Bissaka missed a little over a month, and of all the players in the back four, he's the least obvious "first choice." The overwhelming consensus here around January was that Dalot was the better player.
"less than two months".
You could see how tired we were. They would have given us some energy at least in the last 10min.
You can dress it up all you like we’ve been decimated with injuries so far and we’re only in November. Also it’s been clear since the second half of last season that AWB should be the first choice RB.
Also, as has been repeated countless times, most people’s issues isn’t with how we defend but how we are so fecking terrible to watch in possession. Many here would understand Ten Hags plight if we were still playing good stuff going forward but leaking goals at the back as a result of injured defenders, but we are 18 months in and actually terrible to watch with 0 progress of any systemic style of play or pattern going forward.
Agree.
