That's exactly what it does, there was someone in here last week or the week before implying just that. Ferguson wasn't that special on his own, United gave him the time and platform to become as good as he did. Completely ignoring the fact he was very successful before coming to United.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager / awaiting clarity from the club over his position
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Umm no not at all. Pep replaced his players quickly and Klopp still plays the same style generally.
We have an injury riddled squad that isn‘t capable of playing any style convincingly at the moment. Except for plan Z (zombie football).
Pretty much this. Along with the academy players in Garnacho and Mainoo.
The only player from the old guard who is not pulling his weight, is Rashford. Whereas none of his own signings have made any impact this season. They are either always injured (Martinez, Mount) or playing very poorly (Antony, Onana, Casemiro, Amrabat etc.). And the one player he ostracised (Sancho) is having a great half-season at BVB.
But yeah, it's somehow "the same players" who are costing him his job.
You are right about the first game and that the issues have persisted all season. But what are the issues? Is it the strategy or is it the squad? Any other reasons?
I think the main reason why the problems have been here all season are that the squad can‘t perform Ten Hag‘s tactics consistently. Physically and mentally they cannot.
The other option for Ten Hag is to play way more conservative, and he has chosen not to do that except for a single game here and there.
The squad will need sorting out no matter who is the manager. The next manager will need to embrace the challenge like Hag did, not just come here for big paychecks and the prestige of the club.
Exactly. What gets me is that the people these same posters who blame people like the Glazers, Murtough, Woodward, Judge etc, for running the club into the ground with their poor decision making seem to think they had a moment of total competence and clarity when they hired a man who was rejected by Tottenham and overlooked by Bayern (twice!). Nah, how could they possibly be wrong again? Out of all the consistently wrong decisions they made, this one was definitely correct...
Don't ruin the illusion that Ten Hag will definitely kick all of them out of the club next season if he stays on, even though he picks them every time they're fit regardless of form.
I believe ETH will do very good if he get enough support with a proper structure. I agree with this article here. Joining Dan Ashworth & Omar Berrada with IENOS will change the fortune for sure.
We have many international level players. Why would they be so incapable of following Ten Hag's instructions? Especially as he specifically chose to sign a number of players himself, which presumably meant he knew they were capable.
Whats so difficult to believe about the possibility that maybe, the instructions and coaching simply isn't good enough? Just as was the case with the past managers.
There's nothing special about Ten Hag that has put him on a level of coaching amongst the elite. If he had a CV comparable to the very best I could understand giving him the benefit of the doubt and just blaming everything on others. But he's just some Dutch manager who has won the Dutch league. But then so has Steve Mclaren. Would he be given the same patience as Ten Hag? If Steve mclaren were manager would we write off over a years worth of shite performances as the players being unable to follow his tactics? Or would we put it down to him not being good enough to manage a club the size of United?
Not at all? So you are saying that Barcelona, Bayern and City have used the same systems and players have had the same roles? They use and exploit space the same way?
No the players are executing his tactics but the main problem is his tactics make no sense. And no those aren't his only options.
You either commit to playing pressing football and push the defence up regardless of the pace of your centre backs (lots of teams play like this) or if you don't want to be vulnerable to pace in behind you play deeper and look to attack on the counter.
What Ten Hag is asking them to do is a strange mish mish of both giving us the worst of both worlds. And leaving a giant hole where our midfield should be that you could park the Titanic in.
Definitely read this thread then
His not wrong. His talking about a lot of people in this thread. Guess they are pissed off about that
Yeah
You all come in here with your smug drive-by insults and then wonder why posters refer to you as "cultists"Was thinking the same, especially when reading through the comments on his character following that tweet!
He’s absolutely nailed it
They won't, and why are you posting articles you wrote?
Exactly. The pace of CBs is a red herring, first because our CBs aren't actually slow and secondly because good teams don't rely on pace to counter fast breaks, they rely on offside traps, containment and pressing correctly the passer in order to force less than ideal passes. The only situation where your CBs should be involved in a foot race is if the players above them messed up(typically misplaced pass or botched pressing) or got beat way faster than normal while doing everything properly which are rare occurrences but happens to everyone.
It's the same every week. They were all distancing themselves from supporting Ten Hag when that 4th goal went in at Palace, now they're giving it large again because there's been no football for a week and daddy has spoken out against people giving him shit. They're on a wind up at this point, they're enjoying the attention. There's no way you can watch something you used to enjoy be torn to shreds every week and act like everything is fine.You all come in here with your smug drive-by insults and then wonder why posters refer to you as "cultists"
His signings that are members of the squad are
Altay
Onana
Malacia
Martinez
Evan’s
Casemiro
Eriksen
Amrabat
Mount
Antony
Hojlund
Personally, I wouldn’t include Amrabat as he’s on loan or Evan’s as he clearly wasn’t meant to be anything other than an emergency backup.
The promotion of Garnacho and Mainoo also isn’t usually credited to managers when we talk about them having their team. It’s more like a nice bonus.
Either way it’s actually more of the squad than I thought it was.
No . We have zero identity after two years and £400m spend on his players.
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Is it the existing structure that is responsible for the abysmal tactics and squad management?
Will this new structure suddenly make ETH a competent in game manager?
ETH is a mid table manager at this level. He isn’t good enough at the fundamental basics required of a PL title winning manager. No structure will change that.
The structure may very well sort out the abysmal recruitment and training facilities, but the club will be ultimately hobbling itself if it sticks with such a limited first team coach.
I just cannot understand this train of thought.
Is it the existing structure that is responsible for the abysmal tactics and squad management?
Will this new structure suddenly make ETH a competent in game manager?
ETH is a mid table manager at this level. He isn’t good enough at the fundamental basics required of a PL title winning manager. No structure will change that.
The structure may very well sort out the abysmal recruitment and training facilities, but the club will be ultimately hobbling itself if it sticks with such a limited first team coach.
If you feel I’ve insulted you, I’m happy to apologise, as the intent wasn’t there.You all come in here with your smug drive-by insults and then wonder why posters refer to you as "cultists"
if you care to explain why, I’ll see if I can learn from it
Exactly. All the evidence from his time at United points to him being a great coach, possibly the best in the league, let down by players, structure, coaches and fans. If we give him time and support then he will show his true ability. If he still struggles next year then question have to be asked about Berrada and Ashworth not him. They should get a season to prove they are worthy of supporting Erik ten Hag, not more.
Fair enough mate.
But they are members of the current squad signed and promoted by Ten Hag.
So when people label the squad as awful, poor or appalling fair enough. But not only is that not a defence of Ten Hags failings on the pitch its just highlighting his failings off It. Because this is now very much his squad.
This bullish approach still makes me think he has been told he will get a year under the new structure
Why can you not appreciate him? Why do you need him to deliver results or win games to be happy? Why can’t you just be thankful that we have Erik ten Hag willing to work for us and to manage our team?
He will get more than a year. Next year will be to just lay foundations.
If he's still here this time next year, we will all be a lot happier, because the only way that happens is if he's turned things around quite massively.
He'll be gone in a few weeks.
He'll be gone in a few weeks.
In the name of Erik, the ten, the Hagen. Amen!
I fear a new contract
We did that with Mourinho and Ole right? Albeit neither were as shit as EtH.
Yep, so our defence sitting so deep makes no sense if he's trying to implement a system where the whole team presses up high.
It also contradicts his own reasoning for not changing tactics. He says he doesn't want to confuse the players by switching to plan B and then having to switch back to plan A once injured players return.
But surely this isn't plan A?
So either his plan is a system that likely won't work regardless of the personnel or he's already compromising his plan A. Neither is a good look.
The year starts ticking down after Ashworths second full transfer window.
On the contrary his statements in his recent interviews are clear indications that he knows he is dead man walking .
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Poll result
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We asked Would you allow ETH to manage the cup final before parting ways?
This was a follow up question to the last poll. Stop banging on about it @Chumpsbechumps
44.9% of you would give allow him to manage the cup final
55.1% of you would prefer to have an interim/caretaker in place for the cup final
This poll is now closed. What would you like as the next poll?
I’m thinking:
Should ETH stay or be fired by INEOS?
1) yes I still believe that he’s the right man
2) I think we should see next season how he does under the new support structure
3) I’ve seen enough. Time to go
This was a follow up question to the last poll. Stop banging on about it @Chumpsbechumps
44.9% of you would give allow him to manage the cup final
55.1% of you would prefer to have an interim/caretaker in place for the cup final
This poll is now closed. What would you like as the next poll?
I’m thinking:
Should ETH stay or be fired by INEOS?
1) yes I still believe that he’s the right man
2) I think we should see next season how he does under the new support structure
3) I’ve seen enough. Time to go
I don’t think you need option 1
If you don’t think he’s the right man you’d have to be a total fool to want option 2, so they’re the same thing.
Also change support structure to new bosses, because that’s all it is
If you don’t think he’s the right man you’d have to be a total fool to want option 2, so they’re the same thing.
Also change support structure to new bosses, because that’s all it is
Has to be there for his supporters in the thread
I don‘t think they do what Ten Hag is asking them. They are asked to push up higher than they are and cover for each other.
That wasn‘t happening against Palace.
You actually make better posts when you're sarcastic, can you do it even after Ten Hag is sacked?
What about
4) I’m not sure because it’s not clear how much the clubs issues excuse this season
How about something like this instead?
Will you support Manchester United next season if ETH is sacked?
1. Yes, I am a Manchester United supporter
2. No, I will follow ETH to his next club
No, that's blasphemy. You have to say ten Hag is the root of all our problems or you're a deluded mug. Don't come out with that nonsense again, *******.