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Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job
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Potter taking a swedish club from 4th division to the top was probably a bigger achievement than ETH winning the league with Ajax.
I'm guessing that the likes of Emery, Alonso and De Zerbi probably aren't available mid season. Potter probably is the best manager that's actively available, I'd certainly want him ahead of Lopetegui who seemed to be the other choice. We might not even have the money to pay out the contract of an active manager considering reports are saying we'll struggle to even terminate ETH due to the £15m fee.
That part definitely wasn't true when he first took over though. Things changed drastically in the January window when we had new players coming in the door every few days but the first few months into Potter's time at Chelsea the team was still largely the same as the previous couple seasons under Tuchel.
Potter's first game in charge included Kepa, Silva, Chilwell, James, Jorginho, Kovacic, Mount and Havertz in the starting lineup. The likes of Pulisic, Loftus-Cheek, Azpilicueta and Chalobah also saw plenty of playing time early on and they'd been with the squad a long time by then. During the first half of 22/23 the only new players who saw any significant minutes were basically just Sterling, Koulibaly and Cucurella. Fofana got injured early and Aubameyang hardly ever played.
By the January window the season already looked like a write-off so the club decided to jump-start the coming squad rebuild earlier than initially intended, which made the squad very bloated and definitely made Potter's job a bit harder in the short term but it's not like things were going even remotely well before that either.
Either way, despite his struggles with us I still think he's a very decent manager but just wasn't the right job for him. Looking back now the red flags were there from day one and it's almost like he couldn't believe his luck in landing a job as big as the Chelsea manager. Mentally he didn't seem ready for such a big task and I'm sure the players could sense it too, which may have been why they never fully bought into Potter's ideas because they just didn't respect him enough, the cnuts. So yeah, the club leadership and the players definitely made his job harder than necessary but Potter still deserves a lot of the blame for his failures with us.
That being said, I really don't see how he does any better at United than he did with us. The job over there seems just as hard, if not harder, as the Chelsea job and he's already shown crumbling under the pressure once. I think he'd be better off taking on an 'easier' project somewhere a bit smaller, like say Palace, West Ham or wherever a suitable job opens up next. A couple years getting his career back on track before trying to land another top job again could do him a lot of good. Then again there's always the possibility that failing at wherever he'd end up next would close the doors of the top clubs to him forever so he might be very tempted to accept the United job if it were offered to him.
Do you think our players think the same way and give him respect? Look at how they treated Rangnick and look at how they are reacting now when ETH tries to actually instill some discipline into them. If Potter couldn't command any respect from Chelsea's dressing room there's no way our bunch of whiners will give him any. I can only see this ending in disaster.
The next coach should have little to no say in rebuilding the squad.
How can I forget that draw at Chelsea
Is he the best option? Probably not. But I would be okay with giving him a chance. From what ive heard, he was a popular figure in the Chelsea dressing room, well liked and good man manager. What happened in the end was that, during their worst form, he wasn't ruthless enough, at least compared to their previous managers under the Roman regime.
I'm not too worried about a disaster, because if INEOS know what they're doing, they will set the club ethos and philosophy, and try to find managers that fit that philosophy. This would minimize the impact of changing managers, which is a common thing in the modern game now.
Oh shut up man! It’s entirely on par with Ole storming the Norwegian league with Molde and people are still falling over themselves to denounce that as small time and irrelevant, and cast Ole as a manger with no applicable experience.
Erik took Ajax to a CL semi, which is
Much more relevant to United, and far more impressive!
Why are more people picking this up? I sincerely hope they are just going off of Custis, and that one knows feck all.
Graham Potter... I'd have taken him back when we were looking to replace Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, because back then it was anyone but him, but right now? Absolutely not. I mean, what's the point of swapping one fraud for another? I still rate the chance of this happening to be very low, but if it does happen, then we deserve everything we are getting as a club. Thoroughly finished. And what a way that would be for Ratcliffle to initiate his involvement. Blimey, we are fecked! Please, don't be true!
Graham Potter... I'd have taken him back when we were looking to replace Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, because back then it was anyone but him, but right now? Absolutely not. I mean, what's the point of swapping one fraud for another? I still rate the chance of this happening to be very low, but if it does happen, then we deserve everything we are getting as a club. Thoroughly finished. And what a way that would be for Ratcliffle to initiate his involvement. Blimey, we are fecked! Please, don't be true!
"Bigger, better, faster, stronger, rising out of the ashes. A superclub, a King of clubs only this time we'll have it all. A restaurant, a bistro - we'll serve food."
Exactly this. Didn't he basically admit in one press conference that he was struggling to handle the pressure? See how United and Chelsea are being treated by the media this season when Chelsea have been as much disaster as us if not more. Everything he does at United will be magnified. I can't see him surviving here at all.
1. We have confirmation from many sources now that he is the prime candidate to take the job if Sir Jim's deal go through in few weeks.
2. Nobody knows, I ignored it when Custis reported it yesterday, but now 3 sources have been confirming it, so I will not ignore it anymore.
3. Stupid as it's not different from appointing a donkey like DM, he is a shadow manager for a shadow team like Brighton and that level. This is a huge club that needs a manager with the experience in dealing with big expectations, Not Brighton.
May not be wise for Potter to rebuild his reputation after his time with Chelsea. Utd manager is a very difficult job, even as an acting manager for the rest of the season.
This just shows me that it’s going to be business as usual under the new ownership. Nobody with a club about football would appoint Potter. He’s shown he can’t hack it at a top club, his previous club have been miles better since his departure but our new owners think he’s the one. I can’t wait for him to get the sack in the summer and we end up with Gareth, playing 3 at the back, defensive as feck clueless football. feck me, why does this club have to be THIS cursed. Why do we constantly make such obvious mistakes?
Would rather get Brian Potter
Failed at Chelsea and Brighton have improved since he left despite selling more of their star players
I thought the Brexit fc jibes at Sir Jim was a meme if this really is his idea for United then we’re in for yet another long ride
Failed at Chelsea and Brighton have improved since he left despite selling more of their star players
I thought the Brexit fc jibes at Sir Jim was a meme if this really is his idea for United then we’re in for yet another long ride
I would agree Ole probably is the best candidate as an acting manager till the end of the season. The players in the squad are still more suited to fast counter attacking football than possession based football at the moment.
Here is my question to you. What do you think they need to be inside the club to learn that they will not have already established?
The first team squad consists of a lot of players who objectively appear to be not good enough. There are players on massive contracts that other clubs around us are not handing out.
The manager and his coaching staff are visibly and objectively not performing up to standard.
We may very well have some issues in the fitness department (This one probably does need to be within the club to get a better idea of why we get so many injuries.
And with all of this in mind, it is clear that whatever the football strategy of the club currently is, it is clearly failing on all fronts and has been failing for many years. More than likely Jim, Blanc etc have their own ideas on what they want to implement within the club, and these ideas may not necessarily need to be formulated when they are in, because what’s there right now is not working so they have nothing to lose in going full speed ahead with their own ideas without much regard for what is there right now.
I fail to see what they need to take over in order to assess. Most of the players are overpaid, not up to the required standard, and the manager is underperforming. If they have their own ideas I more than welcome them to override what is there now.
I hope this isn’t true. Potter should not be high on any list. That should be De zerbi
I dont see how he makes sense really. Dont brighton supporters say it takes a fairly long time for him to implement his system?
As an interim, guy to give a short term boost he makes little sense. As a longer term option we could do worse but not an inspiring choice, really a lot of the targets were being linked via Ratcliffe sound pretty grim West Ham level stuff.
As an interim, guy to give a short term boost he makes little sense. As a longer term option we could do worse but not an inspiring choice, really a lot of the targets were being linked via Ratcliffe sound pretty grim West Ham level stuff.
I'm sorry but if they really know what they are doing, then Potter shouldn't be anywhere near that list. For all of the disaster this season we are still in 6th. I'd much rather keep ETH if the other option was Potter.
So Potter deserves that, but not ETH?
I hope we don't sign up this loser to replace our current loser...
This thread proves that even the worst sources can come up with any old shite and as long as it's negative we'll believe it.
Graham fecking Potter this can’t be true
Stop it, you can’t be serious
FFS would rather get Harry Potter
I'm still not buying it. We know Potter met with Ratcliffe's lot regarding the Nice job previously, so we know there's an admiration there. I suspect the reports are just taking that and making the leap that he'll also be a favourite for the United job. The one from The Sun, which started all of this, is worded in such a way that I still think that's exactly what's going on.
We are just a cursed club. Hose it down.
Fair'nuff. Sick of these exotic Dutch types, I get it. Fair play.
I've never trusted his beard, on a more serious note. It's all wrong like a fever dream beard.
It’s a massive statement if Potter is Jim’s first choice.
…and that statement is “we will continue to make terrible decisions and be a joke club under my stewardship”
…and that statement is “we will continue to make terrible decisions and be a joke club under my stewardship”
Conte and Zidane. Flick also, you can't really deny a treble winner some status.
Personally don't really want any of them. However, they're big enough personalities to shake some of the malaise out of our players. At least for the next 6, 12 or 18 months, while a proper Director of Football comes in and remodels the squad.
This. And it's not a bad thing at all. Tired of long projects and huge amount of time. Yes, we will need a lot of time as a club, but the question atm should be can this man make us a little better.. And if he can make us that's fine. And if he hits the wall, let's get another one who can make another small step forward. That would be massive progress as well.
In terms of a profile and his style (which is also important) he fits the bill.
He would struggle to do worse. At least we've seen what ETH would do and it's not exactly great...
Well Brighton are lauded as the best run club in the country and their decision makers hired Potter. Different scale yes but still, the best run club in the country wouldn’t hire someone who they thought is a complete buffoon would they? I’m not saying it would work out but I’m down to give anyone a reasonable chance. Sometimes things can just click you never know. The key is you move on quickly if it isn’t working. I honestly don’t see the harm in giving it a go IF they decide that Ten Hag’s position is untenable.
Why?
Honestly I think some fans enjoy getting outraged at negative news. Regardless if they actually believe it or not.
Exactly. So might as well just stick with Erik.
Not going to be any worse than what we have had in the past