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Shame we’re aren’t more like Brighton
HahahahahahahahahahaWe completely shat the bed as soon as it went to 1-2.
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HahahahahahahahahahaWe completely shat the bed as soon as it went to 1-2.
I wanted to called it naive, but stubborn is probably right. They should have tried to stink the place out at 0-2 and he gave us an opportunity to play the way we wanted, despite several warnings in the first half.He's stubborn as feck with that high line. Second season in a row he's just let Ten Hag exploit it.
Because they press high and squeeze teams to death. We played well through midfield and they couldn’t get near us so they couldn’t stop the pass into the forwards.How have they got away playing like that all season? Or have they not played like that all season. Their line was absolutely suicide and surely if this average Utd attack can hurt you, then other teams can too. Anyone explain it?
In as much as the pundits and everyone else talks about Man Utds failings/successes, I was thinking from a Villa perspective I'd be furious in part because there was no urgency about your team when you got to 2-0, and the few times you did play the ball up to Leon Bailey etc you looked like you'd score, but there seemed to be a plan to be as patient throughout as possible, but with 6 United players in your half I don't know if that was the best way to play. It was like a total aversion to get the ball forward even. And our goals came from turning the ball over. Nothing changed second half from Villa. Watkins was utterly anonymous.We completely shat the bed as soon as it went to 1-2. For a team that has generally been excellent at game managing when ahead in games against top level opposition that was a huge disappointment to witness.
Not sure why we took Pau Torres all the way up the M6 not to use him at any point as our CBs got exposed big time in the second half.
Mind you this fixture at this venue gives me PTSD like no other year in year out.
We play like that most weeks. I don't have an issue as we usually get total control at VP hence the 8 wins in 9 and while away is more difficult our record is o.k for top 4 challenge.In as much as the pundits and everyone else talks about Man Utds failings/successes, I was thinking from a Villa perspective I'd be furious in part because there was no urgency about your team, and the few times you did play the ball up to Leon Bailey etc you looked like you'd score, but there seemed to be a plan to be as patient throughout as possible, but with 6 United players in your half I don't know if that was the best way to play. It was like a total aversion to get the ball forward even. And our goals came from turning the ball over.
Villa have been fantastic this season but they got what they deserved tonight.
Massively missed Pau and Kamara. They’re critical to that system. Dendocker despite his goal was rubbish. Lenglet was atrocious too. I also do think we’re one of the best teams at getting through such a system when it’s having an off day. Also villa are dodgy as feck away from home.How have they got away playing like that all season? Or have they not played like that all season. Their line was absolutely suicide and surely if this average Utd attack can hurt you, then other teams can too. Anyone explain it?
We can never get a grip on Fernandes, was desperate for Emery to put on another CM to try to lock down the space he was getting centrally as it was asking for trouble and eventually we conceded from quick balls out wide (Eriksen can also do this if teams sit off him).I'd be interested to see how they limited City to two attempts.
Two seasons in a row now he's playing such a high line. We only scored 1 to win last season but could've had 4-5 and Villa had reason to go for the win. Here they got two fortunate goals and I expected them to see the game out after a halftime talk. We have to give some credit to ourselves though, we can be electric at times and forced some deep errors that Emery was livid with.
Yes certain players and fixtures just gel well. Spurs have done well vs City over the years.We can never get a grip on Fernandes, was desperate for Emery to put on another CM to try to lock down the space he was getting centrally as it was asking for trouble and eventually we conceded from quick balls out wide (Eriksen can also do this if teams sit off him).
Baffled me when I heard at the weekend he'd never scored in about 12 games v West Ham when he's on about a goal a game (plus many assists) playing us.
To be fair, playing like that at home is a lot different to playing like that away.I'd be interested to see how they limited City to two attempts.
To be fair, we do have maybe the dumbest players in the league to get caught offside so often. Our attackers can't time a run in behind to save their lives, and the player passing holds onto the ball way too long also. There were so many opportunities to create big, clear chances today and there was lack of cohesion between the players, poor passes, poor touches, poor decisions, poor timing of runs.United didn't actually create a lot of chances despite that high line.
They're on 39 points and are currently third halfway through the season. I'd say it actually is working pretty greatYes Unai keep playing that ultra high line, it's working great!
Yeah, despite the goal Dendoncker was really poor.Massively missed Pau and Kamara. They’re critical to that system. Dendocker despite his goal was rubbish. Lenglet was atrocious too. I also do think we’re one of the best teams at getting through such a system when it’s having an off day. Also villa are dodgy as feck away from home.
Ye I agree. But a top manager would tweak tactics depending on opponent. If your up against teams who have a rapid front line then it’s suicidal sticking with the high line, especially at 2-0. Surely you’d go deeper? They was lucky that we’re awful at timing runs.They're on 39 points and are currently third halfway through the season. I'd say it actually is working pretty great
Much like Martinez is crucial to ours….Massively missed Pau and Kamara. They’re critical to that system. Dendocker despite his goal was rubbish. Lenglet was atrocious too. I also do think we’re one of the best teams at getting through such a system when it’s having an off day. Also villa are dodgy as feck away from home.
Yeah, Martinez, shaw, Casemiro to name a few. Barely had any of them available this season.Much like Martinez is crucial to ours….
How have they got away playing like that all season? Or have they not played like that all season. Their line was absolutely suicide and surely if this average Utd attack can hurt you, then other teams can too. Anyone explain it?
Yeah I was about to say that as well. Villa missed a few players that have been mentioned often in context of their great form. Kamara and Torres for sure, but also Cash and Diaby. But thats just hear-say, havent followed them too deeply. I think, they are the typical dark horse for certain phases of the season. They come up with a great plan for their squad and it works fantastically until it fades away because other teams figure out how to stop it. They can still hurt stubborn managers with big teams like City when they insist to not adjust their game plan. United played well to not let them go into their rhythm but I felt they didn't go all-in to exploit our own weaknesses in the match.Massively missed Pau and Kamara. They’re critical to that system. Dendocker despite his goal was rubbish. Lenglet was atrocious too. I also do think we’re one of the best teams at getting through such a system when it’s having an off day. Also villa are dodgy as feck away from home.
Exactly!Yeah, Martinez, shaw, Casemiro to name a few. Barely had any of them available this season.
Here’s hoping we can get a few wins on the bounce while we slowly get a full squad fit and back.Exactly!
It definitely wasn't working yesterday though. But it's ok, we've had our fair share of losing from tactical stubbornness so it's about time we got the rub of the green.They're on 39 points and are currently third halfway through the season. I'd say it actually is working pretty great
It is. They’ve been very good this season.Yes Unai keep playing that ultra high line, it's working great!
And playing Diego Carlos instead of Pau Torres was the cherry on the cake's top, but he probably improved a lot in his career I guess. Actually surprised that guy managed to reach the Premier League: here at Portuguese league he was a strong and fast CB but had some issues dealing with aggressive forwards despite being a strong fella.We play like that most weeks. I don't have an issue as we usually get total control at VP hence the 8 wins in 9 and while away is more difficult our record is o.k for top 4 challenge.
I do look at Newcastle and Spurs playing belting end to end games and wondering how both will be standing come May given the injuries and general intensity.
I think we're pacing ourselves o.k but simply we had no answer as soon as Man. United got the first tonight and were just waiting to be defeated. High line got exposed at Old Trafford aswell last season but ultimately many other teams in last 12 months struggle to cut it open like you did so Emery will just look at that and think it's worth it for all the other wins we get.
which is? What’s our system ?Much like Martinez is crucial to ours….
Diaby has been off form tbf so has been dropped. But yeah with a team like Villa it works well until you start losing one or two players. Then it will get exposed and decent teams will rip it, luckily for them they’re not long term. They simply don’t have the depth in squad to deal with missing key men and that isn’t a criticism. They don’t have the finance to stack their squad like others.Yeah I was about to say that as well. Villa missed a few players that have been mentioned often in context of their great form. Kamara and Torres for sure, but also Cash and Diaby. But thats just hear-say, havent followed them too deeply. I think, they are the typical dark horse for certain phases of the season. They come up with a great plan for their squad and it works fantastically until it fades away because other teams figure out how to stop it. They can still hurt stubborn managers with big teams like City when they insist to not adjust their game plan. United played well to not let them go into their rhythm but I felt they didn't go all-in to exploit our own weaknesses in the match.
But it was also good to see that we increased our intensity in the 2nd half. I was sure at halftime that this match had a few other goals in it.
We had an Xg of just over 1 and none of the goals came from them having a high line. The first comes from a high turnover in their third and quick transition, the second from a cross into the box and poor box defending and the third from a corner. What am I missing?It definitely wasn't working yesterday though. But it's ok, we've had our fair share of losing from tactical stubbornness so it's about time we got the rub of the green.
I’m not explaining the system to you. It’s been done to death at this point.which is? What’s our system ?
Different worlds anyway. I get what you’re implying but Aston Villa have spent less than 200 million in the last two seasons. We’ve spent over 450 million. You can’t hold both to the same standards, in particular when relating to squad depth when one is outspending the other by more than double. United will be expected to manage injuries/suspensions a lot better.
I'm not just talking about the goals. There was a huge gap of space between their defence and goalie which we exploited all night long with Hojlund, Ganacho and Rashford.We had an Xg of just over 1 and none of the goals came from them having a high line. The first comes from a high turnover in their third and quick transition, the second from a cross into the box and poor box defending and the third from a corner. What am I missing?
The “800 offsides due to bad timing” are due to their tactics and playing the offside trap to perfection as they have all season.I'm not just talking about the goals. There was a huge gap of space between their defence and goalie which we exploited all night long with Hojlund, Ganacho and Rashford.
Without the 800 offsides due to bad timing, we could have scored a bucket load.
It weren't working last night though! That's the point. Playing off the cuff of the last defender is one of our (very few) strengths and Emery didn't adjust for it.The “800 offsides due to bad timing” are due to their tactics and playing the offside trap to perfection as they have all season.
Not necessarilyYe I agree. But a top manager would tweak tactics depending on opponent. If your up against teams who have a rapid front line then it’s suicidal sticking with the high line, especially at 2-0. Surely you’d go deeper? They was lucky that we’re awful at timing runs.
Asking for trouble then. Good managers change tactics throughout the game especially when we kept giving them a scare time after time only if we wasn’t offside all the time.Not necessarily
It is absolutely in no way disingenuous and completely relevant. When discussing the ramifications of missing players squad depth and transfer spend is very relevant. They literally go hand in hand.I’m not explaining the system to you. It’s been done to death at this point.
Bringing money spent in to the equation is also disingenuous and moving the goalposts to suit an agenda.
The fact is the points are identical.
Any title talk was completely fanciful. Maybe if we'd beaten Arsenal and Man. City in April but silly when there's still over half the season left.I feel like this will be the start of their decline. Title talk starts to become more widespread and they slip up at home to Sheffield then throw a 2 goal lead away to a struggling side!
Shall keep this brief.Please explain it again, maybe I struggle with understanding it. Repetition always helps.
It is absolutely in no way disingenuous and completely relevant. When discussing the ramifications of missing players squad depth and transfer spend is very relevant. They literally go hand in hand.
Agenda? Come on man have some self awareness.
This is literally an Aston Villa thread, which you’ve come into and replied to a post and have now made it about Manchester United.
Bare in mind that in the quoted post Manchester United were given positive praise but you saw the injury line and decided to make a comment about Martinez, a Manchester United player in an Aston Villa thread.
You can’t really do that and then accuse people of agenda posting. You have literally come into this thread with an agenda and narrative you’re trying to push relating to (I suspect) Manchester United and injuries. A thread that is titled ‘Aston Villa appoint Unai Emery as manager’.
If you want to bang the drum about United being given some leeway for injuries I’d probably go and do it in a Manchester United thread. It does look a bit silly going into an Aston Villa thread and then turning a discussion about them into Manchester United’s injuries and then accusing people in that thread who post about Aston Villa as having agendas.