It is really hard to judge a player. When we signed him, I admit that I was very happy since he was one of the top player is the world. I assume that he would make the RW position his. Never have I imagine that he struggle during his time here, his performance was just average that isn't worth that price tag. Then there were rumours that he doesn't want to play RW, wouldn't Ole stop this transfer if he doesn't want to play there. I cannot understand who would we sign a player who doesn't want to play RW. Hopefully with Ineos here, we will never sanction such deals anymore. United should only aim for 1 marquee signing a year and the rest are young potential player who cost less than 30 million pound. Marquee signing would be established players who are 25-27 yo, never a player over 27. That's the transfer policy that I want to see. No Onana, Mount, Hoijund for more 50 million or Antony or Casemiro. Heck, Antony isn't a marquee signing, he hasn't won anything except Dutch Champion league. Why on earth did we sanction it? Stupidity all round.
Jadon Sancho (Out)
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The problem is, we've tried everything over the last decade.
Be it the big name players at big clubs passed their best, the wonderkid youngsters in positions we need, players doing well in the Premier league, players we believe are the tier below top class with potential to grow to that.
The last 10 years has been a disturbing period of recruitment with very few successes. Not helped by changing to managers with totally different styles every few years.
That last bit is definitely a big part of the issue as every manager has to inherit a squad he wouldn’t have naturally created so they’re all starting from a poor start and it can take a year or so to mould it. But at United, you rarely get a year or so of time if results are poor.
Poor buying = mess of a squad = poor results = pressure = change manager. And rinse and repeat.
I get some managers do better with squads more quickly (Post has, Pep didn’t) but I honestly think our mix of managers style, mix of buys and no real DoF is among the worst, especially at big clubs.
And on top of that, we’ve bought players with poor mental strength, over paid and given silly contracts/wages.
Basically the perfect (shit)storm…
We need to look at ability and mental attitude, tell anyone who asks for silly wages to go away, stick mainly at 21-27 yr olds so we get chance to renew contracts OR sell and get some funds back before too old. If we ever pay top dollar , got to be perfect player and young, similar to RM model.
I don’t even think this is rocket science… don’t overpay, don’t buy too old, look at temperament, etc… just our senior management has been absolutely laughable for years.
I think SJR and the people he brings in will be a huge improvement. Cautiously optimistic
Some kids have WAY too much time on their hands.
I don't understand how some people still want him here when he turned his back on the team for the last 6 months. I guess is the same people that still want Ronaldo and Greenwood back. If your issue is with ETH managing skills, fair, but stop allowing unprofessional players to still remain in our team just to prove the manager wrong . For once, let's follow up City's and Arsenal ruthless strategy when it comes to players that dont fit in.
He wasn’t one of the top players in the world, look where he stood in the England pecking order.
Can't think of too many worse barometers of a player's ability than "does Gareth Southgate pick him?".
Probably negotiating over whether he gets to keep the lunchbox.
It's not that hard though. Lack of pace, stamina and physicality (pre requisites in the PL) were there to see (same with Antony). He was average at best for England and we had two English wingers ourselves that were better.
We’ve tried everything except the actual modern best practice methodologies of how to succeed, certainly.
Not including an option to buy is a smart move. Id imagine he'll integrate quickly and if he hits the ground running, we should be able to get £50m for him in the summer, which will go a long way towards our summer budget.
You are wrong. We didn't try the thing which we made us big at first place; buying best from PL.
It is pretty hard to buy best PL players these days of course but while we went for dross from bottom league clubs (AWB, James, Maguire) who were not even best players of those clubs, we were skipping best PL players.
Kane should have been in our shirt for years now. Going hard on Arsenal for Saka. Grealish, Raya, Toney, Watkins, Mahrez (before City bought him), Son, Caicedo......
Not saying that all those transfers would be possible or easy or cheap but the point is that we decided to not even try. While City went for lots of them. With some they failed (Kane) but with some they managed to strike a deal (Walker, Grealish, Sterling).
We never had the ability Bayern did..all the top players there end up in their hands.
But it's not like we could ever handpick the best at Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal (bar Van Perise, past their championship best teams) etc
What we were good at was taking the up and coming quality players off also rans like Newcastle, Forest, West Ham etc.
But clearly the money in the league is sky high now and you'd get quoted 100m for Rice!
Money is sure bigger but players are still available. And they would not be THAT more expensive than "foreign" players are.
I am not living in the past and i never mention Fergie in my comments but now i must. Grealish, Kane, Rice, Walker, Mahrez......they all would be our targets if he is still around. Even Arsenal players wouldn't be out of reach.
Damn, i can't believe that all these years we didn't even try to go for Kane.
Hahahahah.
Such prison. £250k a week, hu hu hu.
A prison that he put himself in (because he's a knob) and a prison he could very easily get himself out of...but he won't. Because he's a knob. Can't wait for the flight tracker so we can be sure he is gone.
Good riddance. Jadon Sancho was awful at United long before ten Hag turned up.
Or planning for either eventuality
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Which would be very sensible.
Big day today.
Don’t play that. The way United allowed EtH carte blanche to torpedo any value means Dortmund [who, despite United fans hating them, aren’t idiots] knew they wouldn’t have to pay more. Cause why would they?
A large part of his current ‘true value’ has to do with the fact he’s been training one his own since August/September. He could have easily been given a 2 week/month away which at the time would have looked like a lengthy/stern ban.
I understand it is en vogue to cast Sancho as some villain & EtH as some angel in this because. . . United but £3mil or not, Dortmund are taking back a player many United fans who’ve never so much as been in the same room with have said Dortmund were happy to get rid of. You’d think this fact would kill the narrative but alas here we are with people still deny lying the biggest loser in this situation [which let’s be honest doesn’t look good for any party] is United.
I agree with the first sentence mind, you don’t bow to all Dortmund demands here. Sancho is unprofessional but how on earth we’ve allowed his stock to plummet to the point of a £3mil loan whilst other teams cast of their dross for more had nothing to do with his ‘true value’, we’ve seen this play before, the player changes but the club remains. Think bigger.
Yeah but we would have signed them before their big money moves to Arsenal and City, SAF would have signed Kane years ago before his price sky rocketed.
The guy that you are quoting was talking about signing these players when at lower clubs, not signing top players from our direct rivals, because they were most unattainable.
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How do you guys feel about all this?
There's two layers to this:
a) The meme: The comedic value of United's and redcafe's stupidity
b) The sporting side: it seems like a very low risk loan, with an open-ended upside. I'm not expecting any miracles, but even if things don't go perfectly, it's always nice to have someone of his individual quality as an option, especially when you need a goal and struggle to unlock a deep defence..
The problem is, that is when players need to dig deep and graft their arses off and he doesn't have any determination or grit. Players of his attitude and mentality don't belong at a club like Manchester United.
Also people seem to forget that spending 100mil on prem proven quality at a decent age guarantees you a lifetime of service, very few players leave United unless we want them gone. Which offers great value for money.
Look at Rio, Rooney etc
If you spend 100mil on a rice, that dm position is locked down for potentially the next 5 years. How many dross signings would we have to go through at DM over that time period including wages?
Herrera 36 million
Fred 50million
Case 60million (maybe has one more season in him)
McT - wages
Erikson - Wages
Ambarat - 20.5mil for perm signing / loan fee
Sabitzer - loan fee
that's easily over 100mil, not to mention the cost in wages per year. It makes far more sense to buy the 100mil player that you know will provide quality for years rather than take so many chances and ultimately fail.
I really can't wait for Mr "likes to play with smile on his face" to get lost. Sometimes, you have to fight and struggle to win a match and there is not much smiling, except if you battle through and win. But this is not for Sancho.
I like this a lot for Dortmund. As you said: there’s basically no downside.
If he fails then it will be entertaining to see what United does with him. If he is a success at Dortmund again then we can laugh at United. Win win
Which Manchester club are you talking about here? The one that's asking themselves how they can get from 85 to 90 points and from a CL semi to a(nother) CL win?
Or the one that's scored 22 goals in 20 games, got bested by Copenhagen and Galatasaray and dreams about maybe securing CL by limping into 5th spot? You know.. the one with the RW, who has 0G0A to his name.
I certainly know that Dortmund are - unfortunately - quite a bit closer to the latter than the former this season, so I'd be quite happy to add a high ("ball") quality attacker to the squad for peanuts, even if he has his issues.
For United only City and Pool players are out of reach.
Our reputation did suffer but until few years ago we were still giants in England and we had power to lure Kane or Walker from Spurs, Saka from Arsenal or players from Chelsea.
Forget about loyalty these days. It is all about money. And we can (ok, we could have) afford any wage and any fee. Now, that ship has sailed...
True, but he did show that often for Dortmund. If he does it again, they are fine, when Manchester Sancho shows up this time he was cheap so it doesn't hurt much.
The Bundesliga is a much easier league for a player like Sancho. The league is slower and allows more time on the ball. Sancho clearly struggled with the intensity and demands of the league and the pressure of playing for the 2nd biggest club in the world.
And continuing to allow players like Sancho to play for the club is going to improve the dire situation? Where did I say in my post that Sancho is the only play lacking the mentality to play for Manchester United?
He has had plenty of chances for the club and didn't prove that he should be starting, he never once showed this 'high ball quality attacker" that you are mentioning.
What our second most successful England manager ever? Sure *yawn*.
I don’t think people that are not United supporters regard United as the 2nd biggest club in the world.
A nothing player going to a nothing club. It's a match made in heaven.
Sancho can't perform under any expectations and at BVB there are no expectations. They lost a title last season that Bayern didn't even want to win. One of the biggest meme clubs out there.
Sancho can't perform under any expectations and at BVB there are no expectations. They lost a title last season that Bayern didn't even want to win. One of the biggest meme clubs out there.
Unfortunately for United hates like yourself, United are.
The entire world is littered with United fans. Also being the biggest club in the biggest and best league in the world means has something to do with it.
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