Klopp and Eden Hazard ought to compare notes on dealing with ball boys.Never seen that before. What a moron
Klopp to leave Liverpool at the end of the season
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I agree that you can’t be dominant if someone else is consistently better than you.
He is an excellent manager though, Liverpool were a complete banter club for at least 15 years beforehand, that one rogers season aside.
He’s put them towards the top of the table.
Hoping they collapse Utd style from here obviously!
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That ball boy has already started his own company
Passing, crossing, overall technique, possession play and dictating it as an IWB/FB and though not as athletic as Robertson on the other flank he still ranks high on that front too. In terms of the modern full back there aren't many who rank as high as him in the respect of what you wish that player to do. I would have Walker and Cole as my RB and LB in the PL era because of their respective qualities going forward and defensively but both Robertson and TAA would be in the top 5 for me in each, probably even top 3.
Fair play to him, though it seems a case of "small loan of $1 million in 1975."
I think that just shows how limited he is. There’s a massive gulf between his key qualities and everything else.
Really poor positionally, limited pace/strength/power, average engine, no ability in the air, poor to average in the tackle, lack on concentration..
That won’t end City but they’ll not be as dominant as they are now.
Agreed. Particularly between all the other qualities that require him to be a good defender. I think it's tempting to absolve fullbacks of any and all defensive responsibility these days but those attributes are still important for them.
I disagree with these. I also think he's improved defensively this year quite a bit. Last year he was absolutely crap defensively though.
Let me put it this way, the first response I made was to a post that said Trent wasn't an all timer PL player, which I disagree with because that can be viewed in different spectrums.
For example I think VVD had one of the best ever individual seasons in the PL as a defender, but I wouldn't have him as my top defender ever in the PL (For that I'd say Rio or Terry) - yet still he'd be an all timer.
For Trent, he's the joint highest assister for a defender in the PL era and has been one of the players who defines and revolutionised in a way (Along with others and the tactical genius of Klopp et al.) hence I'd consider him an all timer yet not the best ever RB/FB in the PL era due to his respective deficiencies and respective qualities of Walker.
I'd rather look at it this way: throughout Klopp's tenure, the only other club with any real consistency was City. United have been nowhere, Arsenal only really came up in the last two years, Chelsea have been on and off for a long time, Newcastle are new entrants, and Spurs have never really been equipped to compete at the top. More often than not, Liverpool were the only other team in the league that wasn't floundering. And despite that, he has finished below 2nd place in five of his eight full seasons there.
Even setting aside his first where it's hard to blame him for their 8th place finish, that leaves four out of seven seasons where his team finished 3rd or lower. He has as many 4th/5th place finishes as 1st/2nd. And, I stress again, this has been in an era where every competing club except for City has struggled to maintain any semblance of persistent success. Absolutely every other big club besides City and Liverpool were in various stages of chaos, rebuilding, or gradual re-emergence during his tenure. He has had a fairly easy field, aside from City.
By comparison, Ferguson's average league finish across his twenty-one seasons in the PL is about 1.5. He finished third all of three times, every other season was 1st or 2nd. And he started the PL era under circumstances that were very similar to Liverpool's when Klopp arrived. Placing first or second in very nearly every season across more than two decades, and winning the league more than half the time, is so far above Klopp's average finish of 3.65 and one single league title in eight years that it dosn't even really make sense to start comparing the two.
One might argue that Fergie also had a comparatively easy field for the first half of the PL era, but then he did also finish 1st or 2nd ten years in a row. During Fergie's tenure in the PL era, Liverpool were in a situation very similar to the one we're in now, and yet they finished above us all of once in 21 years. We've finished above Klopp literally 50% of the time, four years out of eight, in an era where Liverpool were generally regarded as the second-best team in England while we've been hopelessly adrift.
None of this means Klopp is a poor manager or anything like that, but even if we pretend that City didn't exist at all, he would still only have won the league in three of his eight seasons, during mot of which Liverpool (again, if we remove City from the equation) can reasonably be called the other best team in the country. That is what puts him far below Fergie. If anything, I actually think Wenger did a better job than Klopp has, all things considered.
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I think there’s also a myth that the modern full back is absolved from any defending ability.
The likes of Cafu, Lizarazu, Carlos, Zambrotta, Evra etc were all capable at both ends of the pitch. Far more so than TAA who can’t even secure a place in the national squad.
TAA is a technically gifted player but his skill set is massively lopsided.
City won the league with Mancini and Pellegrini in charge. They won't be as dominant as they were/are under Pep, but they will most definitely not fade away.
That's IF they don't get punished for the 115 charges
So you think he’s good at these things?
Lack of consistency doesn't mean that a Chelsea or a Spurs or United can have a decent season here and there and finish ahead of Liverpool.
Arnold is most certainly not good positionly, he’s always caught out
I think he has a good engine, pace, strength, power, yes. I think in terms of positioning he's exactly where Klopp wants him and he places himself positionally well in respect of those tactics, and in the past that's why you'd have a midfielder such as Henderson to drop in to cater for that defensive deficiency. As with all teams (or at least the best ones) you function as a fluid system which caters to the best qualities of each player.
I also don't think the 'he doesn't play for England' argument fits well because a) Walker is a better RB as I've already stated and b) Southgate isn't a good manager so his tactical nous for trying to cater to players deficiences is play 5 at the back and shit on a stick football.
I disagree. I also don’t buy the argument TAA is everything Klopp wants him to be.
The truth is Klopp understands how limited TAA is and given his quality on the ball, and the fact his midfield has never really had that, he’s tailored his approach to accommodate him.
That’s not the sign of an all time PL great or an exceptional player in my opinion.
Good fecking riddance to the fake prick.
Where does he rank all time regarding premier league managers?
Whitest fakest teeth.
With his one league title?
Behind SAF, Guardiola, Wenger and Mourinho obviously.
After that - par with Dalglish? Most of his success was pre PL but he was a PL manager.
Tier 1
Ferguson
Guardiola
Tier 2
Wenger
Mourinho
Klopp
In my opinion. I don't think there's much to separate tier 2 - Wenger's got longevity, mourinho's got the trophies and Klopp the story. They're all missing something too - Wenger European success, Klopp the multiple trophies and Mourinho's penalised for style.
Top 3 are:
1. Fergie: 13
2. Guardiola: 5
3. Mourinho and Wenger: 3
Then in 4th is Ancelloti, Conte, Dalgleish, Mancini, Pellegrini, Ranieri and Klopp.
With 1.
You forgot Wenger with 3 as well.
No I didn’t
How did you find that? Good info
Fergie was simply on a different league. Would have really liked to see him go up against Guardiolas city for a couple of seasons
Arguably that fat spanish waiter is a better manager for Liverpool.
Very good manager but 1 title in 9 years leaves him some way off the top.
FSG are going to feel it from the fans. Maybe Sheikh Jassim will reappear on the scene..
I'd agree with this list. A top 5 premier league manager.
He’s not top 5. The way people go on you’d think they’d gone toe to toe with city for the last 8 years. We’ve been wank and finished above them 4 times during his tenure
The story?
What kind of reason is the story. And what is the story.he’s a comfortable fifth imo, he’s done well to make Liverpool a lot less shit and he’s won them one premier league.
5th.
So if it's not Klopp then who is 5th behind Wenger/Mourinho/Pep/Sir Alex? He's had 3 seasons where he's hit 90+ points.
That last sentence feels like one of those random things in football that you can't believe is true
Who's ahead of him other than the obvious 4?
Hypocrite. He can get fecked.