Another new member with an awful opinion I see.
Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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What if Greenwood is not interested in joining another club in the summer and wants to extend his loan deal at Getafe?
We could refuse. Not sure why we'd agree to that?
What if Greenwood absolutely doesn't want to be sold? What would United do?
He isn't coming back. Don't dismiss genuine compassion as meaningless moral gesturing. The images/sounds we have witnessed leave no room for doubt, benefit of the doubt is only afforded to him by those with an agenda. He hasn't been proven guilty, we know why, it's been discussed at length on here, more tellingly after all this time he hasn't been exonerated. Fans have huge influence, any decision regarding Greenwood will primarily factor in fans, supporters, season ticket holders, supporters groups, rival fans and staff. Senior management tried to return him, they canvased staff and were met with an instant no thanks.
Perhaps you can spend a moment learning why some of us feel so strongly.
https://refuge.org.uk/what-is-domestic-abuse/the-facts/
I actually didn't realise some of those salaries, mainly thought it was the ridiculous ones they wanted rid of (Saul, koke, Felix, etc). I'd be surprised if they offered him any more than he's on now.
Wayne Rooney is his father?
What a dribble and shot.
Selling him for 70-ish million will be the better option for the club.
Why not sell him for 200 million?
Great start to the game, won 4 tackles, 4 great dribbles and a goal..
He might eb back...
Las Palmas do look poor though
They were above Getafe prior to this game
Should have done better there
If there is no verdict issued, then it is such that he is, by definition, innocent. The fact that some attribute a 'we don't really know' approach is precisely why doubt should work in his favor, especially when the police did not believe the evidence was sufficient for a conviction.
This is the core of the discussion regarding Greenwood's return, so we need to address that.
But yes, one can be guilty without being convicted. However, the point remains that knowledge of whether a person is guilty is crucial for a verdict. If a murder cannot be solved due to a lack of concrete 'knowledge,' you can claim the person is guilty, but it's not based on objective findings.
Legally speaking, Greenwood is innocent! Alternatively, we can all individually speculate on what he exactly did - and in that way, attribute guilt to him for actions that would even vary if you ask 10 different people.
las palmas are even making juan mata look ten years younger here lads, i wouldnt take much notice
You're approximately 336 pages behind everyone else with these points,I'd urge you to read up on this but I feel its pointless.
I think people really need to stop piling on people who say they'd like to see him back. It's getting tedious and I'm surprised it's allowed in here.
I think people should stop coming into the thread, recycling the same nonsense rationalisations and misguided faux-legal arguments, then disappearing when called on it but hey what can we do.
It's honestly like you think this is an original (and correct) take, which it's not. Unsurprisingly you're not the first bright spark to put forth this nonsense.
Yep exactly what I was going to say to them.
I agree.
It is not an argument for anything. My arguments are not strengthened or weakened by how much it has been discussed. It is just as relevant today, as nothing new has happened in the case.
Furthermore, some of you may feel free to contradict me, which in its nature is impossible, as the principle of innocent until proven guilty is as follows: A person is innocent until they have either confessed to a crime themselves, or the prosecution has provided evidence and a court has convicted a defendant guilty of a crime. It is not the defendant's responsibility to prove their innocence. Thats the case with Greenwood.
Lovely goal Green boy
Please read this and don't post about things you don't understand: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence
Greenwood has the same number of Goals and Assists as Vinicius Jnr, playing for Getafe. 11
I want him back but I dont care about off the field stuff unless someone is convicted quite simply, i dont idiolise players or connect to them in anyway, i care only for their footballing abilities but I respect others whose moral compass stops them from wanting him to return, completely respect it. Piece of advice from someone who wants him to return, posts like that will get you in trouble, rightly or wrongly..
I think he is citing this:
Article 6 of the Human Rights Act 1988 provides citizens in our country the right to a fair and public trial or hearing in relation to both criminal and civil matters. Section 2 of Article 6 states , “Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law”.
EDIT: I think the technicality of the 2 opposing views here is the word "Presumed", he isnt innocent as he didnt get proved so, but he is presumed innocent according to our law.
Vinicius has significantly fewer domestic abuse incidents though. Tough to call it.
I mean, yes, one of the points here is the 'presumed' part, but the other is that the whole thing never went to court so the fecking principle has zero relevance. Day to day, we make decisions without legal adjudication all the time. I've seen people whack other people in fights on the street that haven't gone to court. Does that mean they're not guilty of assault/ABH? The innocent until proven guilty thing is not only often misquoted - as you say, it's 'presumed' - but it's totally fecking irrelevant when considering this specific situation.
Not really when it offers absolutely nothing new to 300+ pages. It's more tedious to see people regurgitate shallow statements that boil down to "who are you to judge".
I can imagine what Greenwood would do playing for a top European team like Real Madrid. The boy is too good.
I’m really shocked that people on here would sell MG for just 30 million. A talent like his at his age should be well north of 100milliom
I feel like there is a desire from INEOS to bring him back into the fold somehow.
It would be abnormal if there was no desire to bring him back. SJR is serious businessman and if he feels that bringing MG back to club is not going to have huge negative consequences, he will do it.
So you believe greenwood is innocent, or not? Also, this is genuinely embarrassing: 'a few melted snowflakes and exploding from rage righteous wokies as negative impact.' Was something lost in Google translate?
I might be a melted snowflake exploding from rage righteous wokie'ness but I feel something is missing from this post?
You're probably not too far off the mark here.
Disgusting post. People can see right through the words you use and know exactly what kind of person you are. And I’m not even talking about calling an unconvicted man a rapist.