- Joined
- Jul 24, 2015
- Messages
- 986
He treats it like a hot potato because he isn't that smart a player.For such a smart player, I don't understand why he treats the ball like a hot potato.
Games like yesterday - Keep. the. fecking. ball.
He treats it like a hot potato because he isn't that smart a player.For such a smart player, I don't understand why he treats the ball like a hot potato.
Games like yesterday - Keep. the. fecking. ball.
please pin this. Nailed it.How many times do we need to have this same thread under a slightly different title?
Its sensible until/unless we find someone better. Currently our alternative options are an injured Mason Mount or Scott McTominay.
We also have Lindelof playing at left back, Johnny Evans appearing regularly at centreback, a patched together midfield which ceases to exist after 20 minutes of most games, and an attack that is completely reliant on a teenager and one striker who is only just not a teenager. So would suggest this shouldn't be our main priority to sort out
I mean the OP is more speaking broadly about the future going forward, not our lineup next weekend. Not sure why you’re citing short term injury issues (and our midfield is literally all first choice players right now).How many times do we need to have this same thread under a slightly different title?
Its sensible until/unless we find someone better. Currently our alternative options are an injured Mason Mount or Scott McTominay.
We also have Lindelof playing at left back, Johnny Evans appearing regularly at centreback, a patched together midfield which ceases to exist after 20 minutes of most games, and an attack that is completely reliant on a teenager and one striker who is only just not a teenager. So would suggest this shouldn't be our main priority to sort out
He made him captain, he always plays him, never subs him, and he has never criticized him.How does he clearly love him? There are no options in the squad to replace him
Yes, essentially OleBall which is why those were his most successful seasons. Free license to roam wherever in front of 2 DM’s, no real structure to adhere to, and a team constantly willing to play in transition.in a system where you have 2 DMs, 2 wingers and a CF where Bruno gets freedom to go forward I think it can work.
I don't think Bruno works in a possession team though.
Was the obvious captain for anybody.He made him captain, he always plays him, never subs him, and he has never criticized him.
I'm not talking about our line up next weekend. We can't sign anyone until the summer, and then we have limited funds and multiple other areas of the pitch that more urgently need addressing. Basically, every other area of the pitch needs addressing more than Bruno's position. He is literally the only established first team player who stays fit, apart from Rashford who sometimes sulks for 6 months for no apparent reason.I mean the OP is more speaking broadly about the future going forward, not our lineup next weekend. Not sure why you’re citing short term injury issues (and our midfield is literally all first choice players right now).
Thread.I'm not talking about our line up next weekend. We can't sign anyone until the summer, and then we have limited funds and multiple other areas of the pitch that more urgently need addressing. Basically, every other area of the pitch needs addressing more than Bruno's position. He is literally the only established first team player who stays fit, apart from Rashford who sometimes sulks for 6 months for no apparent reason.
Our midfield is all first choice players and it includes an 18 year old and still gets overrun by every opponent, and ETH still insists on leaving Casemiro on his own there...and as soon as Casemiro or Mainoo get injured the immediate replacement is a loaned who isn't good enough or a player we tried to sell to West Ham.
I would maybe leave worrying about "phasing out" Bruno (since when is this even a thing teams do?) until we address the areas where we're constantly 1 injury away from looking like a lower mid table side
1. Bruno can be sold for more than a decent fee quite easily. It’s not like we’d be cutting into our summer budget to replace him.I'm not talking about our line up next weekend. We can't sign anyone until the summer, and then we have limited funds and multiple other areas of the pitch that more urgently need addressing. Basically, every other area of the pitch needs addressing more than Bruno's position. He is literally the only established first team player who stays fit, apart from Rashford who sometimes sulks for 6 months for no apparent reason.
Our midfield is all first choice players and it includes an 18 year old and still gets overrun by every opponent, and ETH still insists on leaving Casemiro on his own there...and as soon as Casemiro or Mainoo get injured the immediate replacement is a loaned who isn't good enough or a player we tried to sell to West Ham.
I would maybe leave worrying about "phasing out" Bruno (since when is this even a thing teams do?) until we address the areas where we're constantly 1 injury away from looking like a lower mid table side
We quite obviously have a few areas that need addressing. Absolutely. However, it still a question of trajectory. Do we continue to use him with all the pros and cons as the focal point of our style of play or do we try to implement a style of play that might get a lot more out of the collective. In your words he's the only established first team player who stays fit alongside Rashford. Is that a reason to keep him as the focal point? Mind, it means the whole team's development is then limited to that particular style of play.I'm not talking about our line up next weekend. We can't sign anyone until the summer, and then we have limited funds and multiple other areas of the pitch that more urgently need addressing. Basically, every other area of the pitch needs addressing more than Bruno's position. He is literally the only established first team player who stays fit, apart from Rashford who sometimes sulks for 6 months for no apparent reason.
Our midfield is all first choice players and it includes an 18 year old and still gets overrun by every opponent, and ETH still insists on leaving Casemiro on his own there...and as soon as Casemiro or Mainoo get injured the immediate replacement is a loaned who isn't good enough or a player we tried to sell to West Ham.
I would maybe leave worrying about "phasing out" Bruno (since when is this even a thing teams do?) until we address the areas where we're constantly 1 injury away from looking like a lower mid table side
This is a really interesting and quite effective caption. And sum up why, in my opinion, he was unsuitable to be Captain, and why we should look to move him on this summer. He's an inconsiderate player, frequently irresponsible, with a petulant approach who plays his own game. Bruno (and Man Utd) need players around him, brave enough to put him in his place. We don't have players with that character.I dont think he is smart. He thinks about goals way too much to be considered smart.
Look at this from yesterday, The Manchester Evening News pointed out SEVEN different/safer options he could have taken at this moment and yet he thought he could shoot from here.
What I saw was a player who lost his head after the 1st 15 mins. He was clearly peeved with the selfishness and lack of quality in the final pass during the attacking phase, which squandered great opportunities and oftentimes led to dangerous transitions for Luton, and everything crumbled after that. He wasn't the only one though.I dont think he is smart. He thinks about goals way too much to be considered smart.
Look at this from yesterday, The Manchester Evening News pointed out SEVEN different/safer options he could have taken at this moment and yet he thought he could shoot from here.
Always felt this was a little mythical. The year Saha became focal/replaced Ruud coincided with us signing Michael Carrick. Also coincided with Vidic and Evra settling and Rooney and Ronaldo taking their game to another level. I think we look back at Sahas career and influence far better than the actual reality was. Seemingly forgetting the above mentioned five players. I find it kinda mad that so many people say we were so much better with a player who basically was only fit for half of a season.This discussion makes me think of United replacing Ruud with Saha. Ruud is probably the best out and out striker I’ve ever seen at United and was truly world class.
But he needed to be the focal point, wanting every attack to end with a shot for him and all he wanted to do was score goals. United were a far better team with Saha.
You might be surprised to know that Two of United's lowest scoring seasons in PL Post Sir Alex's Retirement has come with Bruno as our creator in Chief I think United will survive just fine .For those that think the team might be better without him, I'd be inclined to agree we might not turnover possession as often with a "safe player" in there, but I can almost guarantee we'd be complaining about not scoring or creating chances.
Mount didn't do anything at Chelsea that makes me think he'd be better than Bruno there. Thought he was going to be signed as a bit of a quality utility player to be honest, he's always injured anyway which is the opposite of Bruno.
As I and others have said before in this and other threads, it's going to take a lot of money to bring in someone that's a genuine upgrade on him, if we can even get them, as other clubs currently in a better position than us are usually interested in the players that would be good enough.
We will change managers, goal keepers, defenders, wingers, strikers but we will remain the same team that played in 2020..End of next season yeah possibly. But we’d need to see Mount more, see how the side develops in the next 18 months.
@noodlehair has made some great points. Even if we accept Bruno isn’t the long term solution he’s also not the biggest problem and right now we need better profiles in our CB, DM and CM zones. Arguably also a LB and RB (although I think Dalot can make this position his own).
We scored 58 goals last season. In 38 games.You might be surprised to know that Two of United's lowest scoring seasons in PL Post Sir Alex's Retirement has come with Bruno as our creator in Chief I think United will survive just fine .
We played better with Saha, I remember it very well. It’s not that unusual for teams to be better when superstar type players move on.Always felt this was a little mythical. The year Saha became focal/replaced Ruud coincided with us signing Michael Carrick. Also coincided with Vidic and Evra settling and Rooney and Ronaldo taking their game to another level. I think we look back at Sahas career and influence far better than the actual reality was. Seemingly forgetting the above mentioned five players. I find it kinda mad that so many people say we were so much better with a player who basically was only fit for half of a season.
You know what's the most fascinating part is Bruno has never been that good to actually evoke this cult like following but on second thought it's seems like par for course for some section of United's fanbase .We scored 58 goals last season. In 38 games.
Already this season at 25 game week, Arsenal and Liverpool are 58+
City are 57 goals at 24 games.
In short, the teams we want to compete against, have already scored more than the amount of goals we scored the whole of last season with 13 games less. That's a 1/3 of the campaign.
We play transition football which we score very little goals from yet leak too many goals while having 4th best possession % but people never see how bad it is.
Mainoo, the 18 year old, gesturing to the captain for the pass and presumably a chance to manage the game. It's quite damning on Bruno, that.I dont think he is smart. He thinks about goals way too much to be considered smart.
Look at this from yesterday, The Manchester Evening News pointed out SEVEN different/safer options he could have taken at this moment and yet he thought he could shoot from here.
This is so spot on, nothing else really needs to be said.We will change managers, goal keepers, defenders, wingers, strikers but we will remain the same team that played in 2020..
We played De Gea, now we have Onana same problems persist. Leaking goals and conceding chances.
Bought Martinez and Varane binned Maguire and Lindelof we still leaked 43 goals last seasons, as of today we have leaked 34 goals in PL with 13 games remaining.
We binned off McFred and bought Casemiro, Eriksen last season we were 4th in possession % in the league.
We binned off Martial, Cavani etc bought Hojlund we still won't score more than 60 goals this season.
We finished last season with +15 GD, we are at +1 today.
We moved away from wingers like Dan James, Greenwood to Antony, Garnacho but still we don't score enough and our wingers don't have sustained period of elite output..
There is no different profile we need to achieve anything, that's unknown.
What we need is a sustainable way of playing which can be upgraded and scaled-up.
Our set-up is unsustainable and unscale-able.
That's why since 2019 Ole times, there is absolutely nothing different has happened. We still collapse in games, average 70 points a season, never control games, never been in champions league QF since 2019, never had more than 74 points in the league. Eliminated in CL group stage twice..
How many different kind of profile have we signed since 2019,how much money have we spent since Ole took over to date?
How comes nothing big has changed?
We need to move away from playing transition football. Zero control football.
Nothing amplifies transition football more than Bruno. The only thing ETH was supposed to do was to move away from this kind of football but alas, he's made it his own.
Let me tell you a sustainable way of playing which is scale-able, Arsenal way.
Arsenal need a proven striker and their team will be almost complete why? not because they are rich than United, or United is cursed.. Noo, it's because Arsenal found a sustainable way of playing then they scale it up every season every other window. Bit by bit.
For us now, ask around, even in this forum, only Hojlund, Mainoo, Garnacho, Martinez we can all agree should stay at this club. At least 95% of fans can agree on this.
Every other player from Antony, Casemiro, Varane, Maguire, Rashford, Bruno, Eriksen, Dalot, Onana, Shaw there is another group of fans who wouldn't mind if they left. ask yourself why?
Because our team is fundamentally flawed, it lacks
1. Principled way of playing.
2. Players capable of playing in that principled way.
As bad as it may, lack of a genuine Football Director has brought the wild chase but our manager should have solved this problem if he was Elite.
Pep can't stick with Bruno a player who loses the ball is such a way and it that frequency and offers absolutely nothing major in return. It doesn't need $1B of players to solve that problem nor $400m ETH has spent.
This is supported by the fact, we have spent over 800m since Mourinho left yet we have never achieved anything close to 80 points in any season, won only 1 Carabao Cup in 7 years, eliminated in CL group stage TWICE (Ole once and ETH ), Ole brought us Bruno our style of play changed and we have stuck to it to date. Yet it's not achieving anything substantial
Upshot:
We need to move away from being a transition team.
Nothing is more of an embodiment of transition football than Bruno Fernandes.
I have talked about this for the last 2 years now, and everything has persisted as they were in 2021, nothing will change as long as we play transition football.
I’m not sure why I’ve been quoted for this?We will change managers, goal keepers, defenders, wingers, strikers but we will remain the same team that played in 2020..
We played De Gea, now we have Onana same problems persist. Leaking goals and conceding chances.
Bought Martinez and Varane binned Maguire and Lindelof we still leaked 43 goals last seasons, as of today we have leaked 34 goals in PL with 13 games remaining.
We binned off McFred and bought Casemiro, Eriksen last season we were 4th in possession % in the league.
We binned off Martial, Cavani etc bought Hojlund we still won't score more than 60 goals this season.
We finished last season with +15 GD, we are at +1 today.
We moved away from wingers like Dan James, Greenwood to Antony, Garnacho but still we don't score enough and our wingers don't have sustained period of elite output..
There is no different profile we need to achieve anything, that's unknown.
What we need is a sustainable way of playing which can be upgraded and scaled-up.
Our set-up is unsustainable and unscale-able.
That's why since 2019 Ole times, there is absolutely nothing different has happened. We still collapse in games, average 70 points a season, never control games, never been in champions league QF since 2019, never had more than 74 points in the league. Eliminated in CL group stage twice..
How many different kind of profile have we signed since 2019,how much money have we spent since Ole took over to date?
How comes nothing big has changed?
We need to move away from playing transition football. Zero control football.
Nothing amplifies transition football more than Bruno. The only thing ETH was supposed to do was to move away from this kind of football but alas, he's made it his own.
Let me tell you a sustainable way of playing which is scale-able, Arsenal way.
Arsenal need a proven striker and their team will be almost complete why? not because they are rich than United, or United is cursed.. Noo, it's because Arsenal found a sustainable way of playing then they scale it up every season every other window. Bit by bit.
For us now, ask around, even in this forum, only Hojlund, Mainoo, Garnacho, Martinez we can all agree should stay at this club. At least 95% of fans can agree on this.
Every other player from Antony, Casemiro, Varane, Maguire, Rashford, Bruno, Eriksen, Dalot, Onana, Shaw there is another group of fans who wouldn't mind if they left. ask yourself why?
Because our team is fundamentally flawed, it lacks
1. Principled way of playing.
2. Players capable of playing in that principled way.
As bad as it may, lack of a genuine Football Director has brought the wild chase but our manager should have solved this problem if he was Elite.
Pep can't stick with Bruno a player who loses the ball is such a way and it that frequency and offers absolutely nothing major in return. It doesn't need $1B of players to solve that problem nor $400m ETH has spent.
This is supported by the fact, we have spent over 800m since Mourinho left yet we have never achieved anything close to 80 points in any season, won only 1 Carabao Cup in 7 years, eliminated in CL group stage TWICE (Ole once and ETH ), Ole brought us Bruno our style of play changed and we have stuck to it to date. Yet it's not achieving anything substantial
Upshot:
We need to move away from being a transition team.
Nothing is more of an embodiment of transition football than Bruno Fernandes.
I have talked about this for the last 2 years now, and everything has persisted as they were in 2021, nothing will change as long as we play transition football.
Nothing about the absolute sitters we have missed this season which would have meant a lot more points accumulated.We will change managers, goal keepers, defenders, wingers, strikers but we will remain the same team that played in 2020..
We played De Gea, now we have Onana same problems persist. Leaking goals and conceding chances.
Bought Martinez and Varane binned Maguire and Lindelof we still leaked 43 goals last seasons, as of today we have leaked 34 goals in PL with 13 games remaining.
We binned off McFred and bought Casemiro, Eriksen last season we were 4th in possession % in the league.
We binned off Martial, Cavani etc bought Hojlund we still won't score more than 60 goals this season.
We finished last season with +15 GD, we are at +1 today.
We moved away from wingers like Dan James, Greenwood to Antony, Garnacho but still we don't score enough and our wingers don't have sustained period of elite output..
There is no different profile we need to achieve anything, that's unknown.
What we need is a sustainable way of playing which can be upgraded and scaled-up.
Our set-up is unsustainable and unscale-able.
That's why since 2019 Ole times, there is absolutely nothing different has happened. We still collapse in games, average 70 points a season, never control games, never been in champions league QF since 2019, never had more than 74 points in the league. Eliminated in CL group stage twice..
How many different kind of profile have we signed since 2019,how much money have we spent since Ole took over to date?
How comes nothing big has changed?
We need to move away from playing transition football. Zero control football.
Nothing amplifies transition football more than Bruno. The only thing ETH was supposed to do was to move away from this kind of football but alas, he's made it his own.
Let me tell you a sustainable way of playing which is scale-able, Arsenal way.
Arsenal need a proven striker and their team will be almost complete why? not because they are rich than United, or United is cursed.. Noo, it's because Arsenal found a sustainable way of playing then they scale it up every season every other window. Bit by bit.
For us now, ask around, even in this forum, only Hojlund, Mainoo, Garnacho, Martinez we can all agree should stay at this club. At least 95% of fans can agree on this.
Every other player from Antony, Casemiro, Varane, Maguire, Rashford, Bruno, Eriksen, Dalot, Onana, Shaw there is another group of fans who wouldn't mind if they left. ask yourself why?
Because our team is fundamentally flawed, it lacks
1. Principled way of playing.
2. Players capable of playing in that principled way.
As bad as it may, lack of a genuine Football Director has brought the wild chase but our manager should have solved this problem if he was Elite.
Pep can't stick with Bruno a player who loses the ball is such a way and it that frequency and offers absolutely nothing major in return. It doesn't need $1B of players to solve that problem nor $400m ETH has spent.
This is supported by the fact, we have spent over 800m since Mourinho left yet we have never achieved anything close to 80 points in any season, won only 1 Carabao Cup in 7 years, eliminated in CL group stage TWICE (Ole once and ETH ), Ole brought us Bruno our style of play changed and we have stuck to it to date. Yet it's not achieving anything substantial
Upshot:
We need to move away from being a transition team.
Nothing is more of an embodiment of transition football than Bruno Fernandes.
I have talked about this for the last 2 years now, and everything has persisted as they were in 2021, nothing will change as long as we play transition football.
1.Would Roy Keane be any different? I never saw Roy Keane have a bad game for us.https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/02/bruno-fernandes-manchester-united-city-preview
Bruno Fernandes naysayers overlook just how important he is for United
The captain is often maligned for his on-field antics but would Roy Keane be any different with this team around him?
Bruno Fernandes is Manchester United’s 2020s version of Roy Keane: vocal, aggressive, fiercely competitive, highly talented and deemed by his manager to be the obvious captain. The Portuguese is all these things, especially in a United vintage that is among the weakest of the post-Sir Alex Ferguson era.
If Ferguson viewed Keane as his alpha male, the Irishman was surrounded by stellar acts in Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Jaap Stam and numerous others. At different times, all had an argument for being the Premier League’s best player in their position. Fernandes does not enjoy the same supporting A-list cast. In a team game he looks around the pitch each week and sees maybe only Luke Shaw and Lisandro Martínez, when they are fit, who are his equal.
[...]