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[Halftrack]

I don't know where does your article comes from, when it was published, why it has different title.

My source was correct:
https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ061325

The article can be also found in Ethical Issues in Scientific Research: An Anthology, edited by Edward Erwin, Sidney Gendin, Lowell Kleiman (1994).

But you know what is funny. In your article the parenthesis say "an empirical question, no doubt" while the article I sourced says "as might conceivably be the case". Why the difference?

Could you shut up about Chomsky now? Your accusations against him have been thoroughly dismantled, so unless you can cough up something new that isn't just a quote taken completely out of context, there's really no need for you to keep harping on about him being a self-hating Jew or antisemite.

 

[Raoul]

That’s irrelevant given that there’s literally no evidence at the time of writing that supports that.

U.S. intelligence has produced no evidence that the popular social media site has ever coordinated with Beijing.

That's not what the purpose of banning Tik Tok is though. Its to prevent it from happening in the future when the US and China are on the cusp of military conflict over something like Taiwan or a similar issue. That's certainly light years away from the anti-Israel hipster community's flamboyant hypothesis that a rich Jewish guy is buying Tik Tok to shill on behalf of his own ethnicity.

 

[Idxomer]

But ultimately its only a pantomime villain that glosses over the fact that America is inherently a Christian country that relates both religiously and culturally to the existence of a strong Israel. That's not something that would go away if AIPAC contributed less to various politicians.

Yeah, I know. A lot of Americans relate to the type of apartheid Israel is. That's not the problem, AIPAC has moved from just lobbying. They want unconditional support no matter Israel's actions which is the reason they have moved lately to spending large amounts of money on elections. They also want no opposition or any politician highlighting Israel's war crimes, either starvation or any other genocidal acts.

 

[Idxomer]

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[The Corinthian]

Why Does Biden Keep Making the Same Dangerous Comment About Jews?
Over and over again, Biden has said that no Jew in the world would be safe without Israel. What is he talking about?

It’s clear that those protesting for a cease-fire and a free Palestine through civil disobedience, through uncommitted votes, through fundraisers to evacuate Palestinian families—even, in the case of Aaron Bushnell, through the sacrifice of their own life—are far more clear in their purpose and strategy than Joe Biden. So far, Biden’s only been able to offer his constituents catchphrases, theoretical, temporary pauses in the violence instead of a real cease-fire, and, most gallingly, verbal posturing about the supposed safety Israel provides rather than a movement to save real, human lives that Israel is obliterating.

Jewish and Muslim Americans alike deserve, and demand, more than slogans. Gaza deserves seriousness. Those mobilizing for Palestinian rights here in the US—from Girl Scouts in Missouri to grandmothers in New York—deserve that, too. Biden would be well-advised not to take their votes for granted. And he ought to stop acting as if Jewish Americans are Israel’s problem—and, even more importantly, stop using Jews as cover for his ongoing support of genocide

Why Does Biden Keep Making the Same Dangerous Comment About Jews? | The Nation

 

[4bars]

Why Does Biden Keep Making the Same Dangerous Comment About Jews?
Over and over again, Biden has said that no Jew in the world would be safe without Israel. What is he talking about?



Why Does Biden Keep Making the Same Dangerous Comment About Jews? | The Nation

Why this non sensical reason that Biden is giving has nothing to do with a very misleading headline?

 

[VorZakone]

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[4bars]

Good riddance evil twat

 

[Dumbstar]

Yeah, I know. A lot of Americans relate to the type of apartheid Israel is. That's not the problem, AIPAC has moved from just lobbying. They want unconditional support no matter Israel's actions which is the reason they have moved lately to spending large amounts of money on elections. They also want no opposition or any politician highlighting Israel's war crimes, either starvation or any other genocidal acts.

Are you thinking what we're all thinking? Gas chambers in West Bank, Gaza and Palestine next?

 

[4bars]

Are you thinking what we're all thinking? Gas chambers in West Bank, Gaza and Palestine next?

Er... what?

 

[Dumbstar]

Er... what?

Go to next level killing, genocide, dead bodies. Shooting and bombing is not effective for a full wipe out. And US will keep quiet, cos Hey Pac.

 

[4bars]

Go to next level killing, genocide, dead bodies. Shooting and bombing is not effective for a full wipe out. And US will keep quiet, cos Hey Pac.

I know what you were saying. but what are you on to say: "Are you thinking what we're all thinking?"

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

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Good. Feck him and whatever remains of Hamas.

Meanwhile, I wonder what it would take for the US or other Western nations to sway enough politicians to pass a motion of no confidence against Netanyahu at the Knesset. With a number of Western politicians already making direct contact with Benny Gantz in the last few days and weeks, I guess everyone is preparing for the long overdue post-Netanyahu era.

 

[Dumbstar]

I know what you were saying. but what are you on to say: "Are you thinking what we're all thinking?"

Are we not all thinking, what's coming next from Israel? If not, then we really still haven't got it yet.

 

[Idxomer]

Go to next level killing, genocide, dead bodies. Shooting and bombing is not effective for a full wipe out. And US will keep quiet, cos Hey Pac.

There's no need for that. Famine and epidemics in the next few months will likely kill tens of thousands and that's not taking into account the constant bombing and the high possibility of a Rafah ground invasion.

There's a reason why some American politicians are washing their hands off Netanyahu and his gang of terrorists lately.

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[4bars]

Are we not all thinking, what's coming next from Israel? If not, then we really still haven't got it yet.

I know what is coming. certainly not what you said

 

[the_cliff]

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There's a reason Israel still haven't gone into Rafah despite their constant threats over the past 2-3 months.

 

[The Corinthian]

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[4bars]

Fair enough, it depends on optimism v pessimism. I've seen Western leaders moral facade on TV for many decades now so I'm more sceptical. For me, we're just starting phase two from the West+Israel:

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/domi...Wl?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop

This linked in post is obviously not talking about gas chambers. But if there's anything I've learnt about history is that you can learn things from history.

And there's not a single person on here that can put their hand on their heart to say Israel are not that deranged or sick enough that they would use gas chambers. That in itself is the worry. Because they ARE sick enough. Whether they end up not doing it or not is another thing.

Israel would not do what it was a mark on mostly jews in WWII. Period.

They are doing abhorrent things and I have little doubts that their goal empty gaza of palestinians being via genocide and ethnic cleansing. Only international pressure might avoid it but I am skeptical

 

[Eriku]

So far, all I've got is below, which seems to be a quote in a chat under an article. Chomsky's potential words are in inverted commas, with the introductory paragraph being from the poster:

As for the race & IQ debate. I suppose you are referring to Chomsky’s dismissal of Richard Herrnstein’s IQ. In fact questioning the propriety of some particular scientific investigation is *not* equivalent to a call for the *banning* much less of punishing such an investigation. I can see no double standard just common (left-libertarian) sense. There would have been equivalence had Chomsky suggestes banning Herrnstein’s article or firing him from his university position. This was not the case. The relevant quote regarding Chomsky’s criticism of Herrnstein’s IQ is this:

“… the question of the validity and scientific status of a particular point of view is, of course, logically independent from the question of its social function; each is a legitimate topic of inquiry, and the latter becomes of particular interest when the point of view in question is revealed to be seriously deficient on empirical or logical grounds.

… (The scientist) is responsible for the effects of what he does, insofar as they can be clearly foreseen. If the likely consequences of his “scientific work” (can be used as a justification for class and caste hierarchies), he has the responsibility to take this likelihood into account. This would be true even if the work had real scientific merit-more so, in fact, in this case.

Similarly imagine a psychologist in Hitler’s Germany who thought he could show that Jews had a genetically determined tendency toward usury … or a drive toward antisocial conspiracy and domination, and so on. If he were criticized for even undertaking these studies, could he merely respond that “a neutral commentator … would have to say that the case is simply not settled” and that the “fundamental issue” is “whether inquiry shall (again) be shut off because someone thinks society is best left in ignorance?” I think not. Rather I think that such a response would have been met with justifiable contempt. At best he could claim that he is faced with a conflict of values. On the one hand, there is the alleged scientific importance of determining whether, in fact, Jews have a genetically determined tendency toward usury and domination (as might conceivably be the case). On the other, there is the likelihood that even opening this question and regarding it as a subject for scientific inquiry would provide ammunition for Goebbels and Rosenberg and their henchmen. Were this hypothetical psychologist to disregard the likely social consequences of his research (or even his undertaking of research) under existing social conditions, he would fully deserve the contempt of decent people. Of course, scientific curiosity should be encouraged (though fallacious argument and investigation of silly questions should not), but it is not an absolute value.”

As fecking always. I suspected as much when the raising of Faurisson prompted a "not only that." His defence of Faurisson stems directly from enlightenment values, and Voltaire’s defence of freedom of speech even if the words are abhorrent, but I’ve seen so many people confidently proclaim that Chomsky agrees with Holocaust deniers.

Thanks for doing the leg-work, my googling was fruitless.

 

[Sweet Square]

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[Iker Quesadillas]

The Washington Post has a good article summarizing the way this has gone awry for the Biden administration.

This article, based on interviews with 20 administration officials and outside advisers, examines how Biden, more than five months after the Oct. 7 attacks, has found himself deeply entangled in a war he does not want and that threatens to become a defining element of his tenure. His allies privately acknowledge that it has done him significant damage domestically and globally and could easily become his biggest foreign policy cataclysm.

On Oct. 27, three weeks into Israel’s punishing counterattack in Gaza, top Biden officials privately told a small group assembled at the White House what they would not say in public: Israel was regularly bombing buildings without solid intelligence that they were legitimate military targets.

Biden’s strategy from the outset rested on a central trade-off: that if he showed Israel unequivocal, even defiant, support early on, he could ultimately influence its conduct of the war. Some administration officials now concede the strategy is heading toward failure, and in private talks, they voice a striking frustration and uncertainty about how the war will end.

 

[Smores]

The Washington Post has a good article summarizing the way this has gone awry for the Biden administration.

Just another case of them trying to wash their hands of the worst of Israeli crimes and pretend they don't support it. Their actions and earlier words show they supported it but i'm sure they'll continue to try gaslight everyone over the coming months.

It's also no surprise because the US were no better in iraq. The only major difference is the Israeli government don't even try and mask their hatred.

 

[Giggsyking]

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This country not a serious country, he is the head of a UN organisation and they will not let him do his work.

The Washington Post has a good article summarizing the way this has gone awry for the Biden administration.

No amount of whitewashing via US media will whitewash Biden's image of complicity in Israels war crimes.

 

[gfactor86]

Are you thinking what we're all thinking? Gas chambers in West Bank, Gaza and Palestine next?

Honestly?

You really think IDF are going to round up Palestinians and systematically gas them in some sort of final solution?

You do realise that if they so wished, the IDF could wipe out Gaza from the air in about 24 hours. Why bother with the effort of gas chambers and risking the lives of their own soldiers on the ground?

 

[The Corinthian]

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Imagine the scaremongering of Chinese interference on Tik-Tok when there's this.

 

[Conor]

On Oct. 27, three weeks into Israel’s punishing counterattack in Gaza, top Biden officials privately told a small group assembled at the White House what they would not say in public: Israel was regularly bombing buildings without solid intelligence that they were legitimate military targets.

Well I never.

 

[maniak]

Honestly?

You really think IDF are going to round up Palestinians and systematically gas them in some sort of final solution?

You do realise that if they so wished, the IDF could wipe out Gaza from the air in about 24 hours. Why bother with the effort of gas chambers and risking the lives of their own soldiers on the ground?

If? They are demolishing gaza.

 

[Idxomer]

No amount of whitewashing via US media will whitewash Biden's image of complicity in Israels war crimes.

Tbf this article makes him even more complicit. He already knew that the bombs were indiscriminate and kept sending more and more weapons. He also kept providing political and diplomatic cover. If I'm not wrong, this was the period with the highest average death toll.

 

[maniak]

Tbf this article makes him even more complicit. He already knew that the bombs were indiscriminate and kept sending more and more weapons. He also kept providing political and diplomatic cover. If I'm not wrong, this was the period with the highest average death toll.

His hands were tied.

 

[Idxomer]

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They want more chaos and famine to spread. Again, their depravity is on another level.

 

[Idxomer]

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[4bars]

Anyone that has any involvement in leadership and/or utility is being targeted with their family and children

Doctors, nurses, university teachers, journalist, people that organizes anything in this chaos

They are doing systematically. They are killing and punishing the most prepared in gaza to impoverish them of human capital.

 

[Idxomer]

His hands were tied.

Well, he doesn't need his hands to kill more children.

 

[africanspur]

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This country not a serious country, he is the head of a UN organisation and they will not let him do his work.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68605401

Even Blinken joining in with the anti semitic attacks now. Why isn't he talking about Syria and Congo?

It's strange though, gfactor showed us the bustling markets of Gaza just last week. Odd disparity there.

Thankfully, Israel is

doing everything it can to flood Gaza with aid, including by land air and sea

Thank god for that. Probably explains those bustling markets.

 

[Raven]

Military action needs to be taken against Israel.

 

[africanspur]

Honestly?

You really think IDF are going to round up Palestinians and systematically gas them in some sort of final solution?

You do realise that if they so wished, the IDF could wipe out Gaza from the air in about 24 hours. Why bother with the effort of gas chambers and risking the lives of their own soldiers on the ground?

I mean that post is beyond idiotic but Gaza is essentially wiped out.

The majority of buildings across the entire strip destroyed, including major cultural buildings like universities, mosques, schools, hospitals.

Almost the entire population displaced.

By the end of the war, conservatively 1 in 50 people in Gaza at least will be dead (for reference a similar level of death in Israel would be almost 200,000 people).

100% of the population at severe acute food insecurity (despite those bustling markets).

The IDF, if it's stated aim was to wipe out Hamas, clearly also cannot just attack from the air, due to the presence of the tunnels.

 

[Tibs]

Military action needs to be taken against Israel.

Agreed.