New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford

[Nogbadthebad]

I still think the best option is a new stadium, with the existing one becoming a smaller capacity ground for the women's team, under 23s and so on.

Which means fixing it would be a long term investment anyway.

 

[ForeverRed1]

Makes you wonder.
The job gets bigger each week.
New team, new manager, new stadium and maybe a new training complex.

Everything needs fixing. Literally everything. We know how bad it is but we don’t know how really bad it is. They probably didn’t until they stepped foot inside the club and deep dived.

I just watched the punditry from Wayne Rooney after the game and the fact he has questioned how many of these players are too injured to play because they don’t want to play, sums it up. These players will probably all be fit In time for the FA cup final and the euros. They got their head somewhere else. Look at Evans last week, ETH begged him to play and he did.. but he wasn’t going to. Something is massively wrong at OT and has been for years

Ineos have their hands full. Big time.

 

[Lash]

Would Wembley/The FA allow it though?

Old Trafford is a prime spot still for semi finals but semi finals at Wembley are a big money maker for the FA, that’s why we have them there sadly.

I think it is becoming political with Burnham and Starmer and if United subsidise it as part of their own rebuild, there's more incentive for everyone to do it.

 

[Rood]

I’m not sure what you’re classing as significant, sorting the drainage shouldn’t be a massive investment. Even then, how often are we going to see rain that bad in the next five years? I think it leaked majorly last year and then previously in 2019. Hardly worth spending millions fixing *if* we’re getting a new stadium.

Mine is a general comment, not just about the latest videos

As I said, minimum 5yrs until a new stadium (probably longer) so millions are needed to be spent in the meantime just to make sure OT it kept relatively decent

 

[stevoc]

Issue was with the drainage at bottom of roof, that said you don't expect leaks in the dressing room regardless of how torrential the rain is. Bad optics and all.

No doubt mate. The Glazers have a lot to answer for.

 

[AdamColeBebe]

Brilliant. I love the fact this is happening when ratcliffe and brailsford are present. They must be wondering what the hell they have gotten themselves into!

Stadiums under the Hammer

 

[alexanderplatz]

Which has nothing to do with Ratcliffe. And he acknowledged how much of a mess the stadium is by his actions. Ratcliffe walked through the door and instantly assembled a team headed by Sebastian Coe to explore a new stadium project. That tells you everything you need to know.

I agree but that’s not how politics works really. Yesterday was a timely reminder of how bad the glazers have done things and I am glad there is finally someone involved who seems to care about being a laughing stock. I just think swift action on these types of problems is required as it does have the potential to derail peoples buy in to other parts of the overall project.

 

[RoyH1]

Would the Glazers allow the Bucaneers stadium in Tampa to look like this? Or are they as usual waiting for the promise of sweet taxpayer money to bail them out?

 

[Dan_F]

Mine is a general comment, not just about the latest videos

As I said, minimum 5yrs until a new stadium (probably longer) so millions are needed to be spent in the meantime just to make sure OT it kept relatively decent

Yeah that’s pretty standard. I wouldn’t call millions significant when it comes to an organisation our size. It’s pocket change for Jim, having already invested something like £200 million wasn’t it?

 

[SAF is the GOAT]

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Man United send workers up to the top of Old Trafford as they look to make urgent repairs less than 24 hours after heavy rain cascaded through the roof during their defeat by Arsenal

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[Marching On!]

Is that Ten Hag on the left? They’re so disgusted they’ve sent him up to fix the roof.

 

[bosskeano]

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was that hail hitting the pitch?

 

[bosskeano]

that must have been some fecking rainstorm to have that amount of water pouring over the roof

 

[We need an rvn]

Would the Glazers allow the Bucaneers stadium in Tampa to look like this? Or are they as usual waiting for the promise of sweet taxpayer money to bail them out?

Worse. They don’t even have a roof in their stadium!

 

[Wheato]

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[Pughnichi]

The leaking and the waterfalls we all saw on TV are not an unsafe stadium , after all they need a current safety cert to open, they are basic maintenance issues and have been for a while.
The stadium needs money spending on it, first priority is getting the roof sorted, but its not just the stadium , I have read that Carrington needs money spending also.
The cost of a new state of the art stadium is huge, Spurs new one cost £1B, with the cost of stuff now, I think you could easy double that, who has that money, would INOS pay it, I have my doubts.
Something needs to be done, we are a laughing stock on and off the pitch and TBH I dont see either changing for a good few years.

FYI (for the not so local fans)

local council are pushing forward with a regeneration of the whole area around old Trafford. A 15 year transformation apparently

See here
https://www.lda-design.co.uk/kindling/news/framework-for-a-new-old-trafford/

United own a large portion of this land
See here
https://www.skysports.com/amp/footb...ground-and-what-will-it-mean-for-old-trafford

I work in the soon to be heritage quarter and the business owns its land and property. Rumour has it a tidy profit will be made to relocate

Surely Utd will similarly see a significant sum for the land they own.

just thought to share because I’m sure people think new stadium and assume 1.5 billion debt added to the club but closer to home…I’m sure there will be plenty of dealings to drive down the cost. The ABUs of course won’t report this!!…instead it’ll all be saddled on the club

 

[MarylandMUFan]

Worse. They don’t even have a roof in their stadium!

Quite annoying that the majority of outdoor stadiums in America don't have covers for the seated sections. Spent a lot of time baking in the sun or getting poured on by the rain over the years.

 

[Herman Toothrot]

was that hail hitting the pitch?

Yep, it was hailing. My street was briefly a river and water was ankle deep in the backyard.

FYI (for the not so local fans)

local council are pushing forward with a regeneration of the whole area around old Trafford. A 15 year transformation apparently

See here
https://www.lda-design.co.uk/kindling/news/framework-for-a-new-old-trafford/

United own a large portion of this land
See here
https://www.skysports.com/amp/footb...ground-and-what-will-it-mean-for-old-trafford

I work in the soon to be heritage quarter and the business owns its land and property. Rumour has it a tidy profit will be made to relocate

Surely Utd will similarly see a significant sum for the land they own.

just thought to share because I’m sure people think new stadium and assume 1.5 billion debt added to the club but closer to home…I’m sure there will be plenty of dealings to drive down the cost. The ABUs of course won’t report this!!…instead it’ll all be saddled on the club

There is a huge amount of money to be made in the long-term. Huge. This is a massive opportunity to secure the club's future and nostalgia shouldn't be holding us back. Forget the leaking roof and lack of facilities, some of the seating in Old Trafford is not fit for purpose to anyone over six feet.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Close poll. Thought new stadium would be winning quite handsomely

I could understand more if we could revamp it as well as Real Madrid have revamped theirs, but I don't think that is possible with Old Trafford.

A new stadium would also be on the adjacent land, which would be a nice extra.

 

[NotworkSte]

Worse. They don’t even have a roof in their stadium!

The Raymond James saga is a horrible read, and the taxpayers are still paying for it. Glazers didn't pay half like they said they would, threatened to move the team if county wouldn't pay, the law passed went against state constitution of using taxpayer money for private companies, and Glazer refused to sign off on a plan to pay it off by taxing the concessions, as it would reduce their revenue.

The stadium itself is alright, but concessions and parking are horrifically expensive (around $50-60), considering we paid for it. I go there twice a year for monster jam and the odd NFL game. It's baking hot when games are playing in the afternoon (drenched when a storm rolls through) and if you site on the east side the sun is in your eyes. And the road network leading to it on game days are insanely bad.

They also have the dumbest security who arbitrarily allowed folks in with bags, and other without. You're not supposed to any kind of bag, even women's handbags. But when they are busy at some lines they don't care so if you get kicked out and have to walk a mile to the affordable parking, don't, just rejoin another line. Some folks have obviously stuffed their bags under a shirt and security pretend they don't see it.

I don't like RayJay. At all. However I do like Monster Jam!

 

[DomesticTadpole]

The Raymond James saga is a horrible read, and the taxpayers are still paying for it. Glazers didn't pay half like they said they would, threatened to move the team if county wouldn't pay, the law passed went against state constitution of using taxpayer money for private companies, and Glazer refused to sign off on a plan to pay it off by taxing the concessions, as it would reduce their revenue.

The stadium itself is alright, but concessions and parking are horrifically expensive (around $50-60), considering we paid for it. I go there twice a year for monster jam and the odd NFL game. It's baking hot when games are playing in the afternoon (drenched when a storm rolls through) and if you site on the east side the sun is in your eyes. And the road network leading to it on game days are insanely bad.

They also have the dumbest security who arbitrarily allowed folks in with bags, and other without. You're not supposed to any kind of bag, even women's handbags. But when they are busy at some lines they don't care so if you get kicked out and have to walk a mile to the affordable parking, don't, just rejoin another line. Some folks have obviously stuffed their bags under a shirt and security pretend they don't see it.

I don't like RayJay. At all. However I do like Monster Jam!

So they don't discriminate when screwing people over. Not a nice family.

 

[The Cat]

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The Theatre of Streams.

 

[Florida Man]

The Raymond James saga is a horrible read, and the taxpayers are still paying for it. Glazers didn't pay half like they said they would, threatened to move the team if county wouldn't pay, the law passed went against state constitution of using taxpayer money for private companies, and Glazer refused to sign off on a plan to pay it off by taxing the concessions, as it would reduce their revenue.

The stadium itself is alright, but concessions and parking are horrifically expensive (around $50-60), considering we paid for it. I go there twice a year for monster jam and the odd NFL game. It's baking hot when games are playing in the afternoon (drenched when a storm rolls through) and if you site on the east side the sun is in your eyes. And the road network leading to it on game days are insanely bad.

They also have the dumbest security who arbitrarily allowed folks in with bags, and other without. You're not supposed to any kind of bag, even women's handbags. But when they are busy at some lines they don't care so if you get kicked out and have to walk a mile to the affordable parking, don't, just rejoin another line. Some folks have obviously stuffed their bags under a shirt and security pretend they don't see it.

I don't like RayJay. At all. However I do like Monster Jam!

Nice to see you around again. Thought you got banned ages ago. For thread relevancy, I never cared for that stadium. Awful parking and traffic situation, and way too hot to enjoy anything there.

 

[Plant0x84]

The Raymond James saga is a horrible read, and the taxpayers are still paying for it. Glazers didn't pay half like they said they would, threatened to move the team if county wouldn't pay, the law passed went against state constitution of using taxpayer money for private companies, and Glazer refused to sign off on a plan to pay it off by taxing the concessions, as it would reduce their revenue.

The stadium itself is alright, but concessions and parking are horrifically expensive (around $50-60), considering we paid for it. I go there twice a year for monster jam and the odd NFL game. It's baking hot when games are playing in the afternoon (drenched when a storm rolls through) and if you site on the east side the sun is in your eyes. And the road network leading to it on game days are insanely bad.

They also have the dumbest security who arbitrarily allowed folks in with bags, and other without. You're not supposed to any kind of bag, even women's handbags. But when they are busy at some lines they don't care so if you get kicked out and have to walk a mile to the affordable parking, don't, just rejoin another line. Some folks have obviously stuffed their bags under a shirt and security pretend they don't see it.

I don't like RayJay. At all. However I do like Monster Jam!

The RayJay is hosting West Ham vs Crystal Palace this summer. You’d think they would host their own team at the stadium. Who wants to watch the Hammers vs Palace, especially some meaningless exhibition game. Weird.

 

[decorativeed]

Yep, it was hailing. My street was briefly a river and water was ankle deep in the backyard.



There is a huge amount of money to be made in the long-term. Huge. This is a massive opportunity to secure the club's future and nostalgia shouldn't be holding us back. Forget the leaking roof and lack of facilities, some of the seating in Old Trafford is not fit for purpose to anyone over six feet.

I'm nowhere near 6 foot and it's still incredibly uncomfortable. Especially when surrounded by people bigger and heavier than me.

 

[decorativeed]

Nice to see you around again. Thought you got banned ages ago. For thread relevancy, I never cared for that stadium. Awful parking and traffic situation, and way too hot to enjoy anything there.

The parking and transport at Old Trafford will be a nightmare too if we increase capacity at all.

The new arena that has opened opposite the Etihad means that when there is an event on there and a City match on on the same evening, there will be around 80,000 people all attempting to get to the same part of Manchester all at the same time.

Metrolink have said not to worry, they'll be putting on more double trams to the area, which could be enough for 4,000 people to travel on them from the city centre. The other 95% of people I'm presuming can walk, and won't also try and fail to catch those trams.

Wembley works because London has great infrastructure, with underground services with multiple times the capacity of a tram running every 2 minutes. It just doesn't exist up here - public transport is abysmal and the roads are jammed as a result.

 

[Herman Toothrot]

The parking and transport at Old Trafford will be a nightmare too if we increase capacity at all.

The new arena that has opened opposite the Etihad means that when there is an event on there and a City match on on the same evening, there will be around 80,000 people all attempting to get to the same part of Manchester all at the same time.

Metrolink have said not to worry, they'll be putting on more double trams to the area, which could be enough for 4,000 people to travel on them from the city centre. The other 95% of people I'm presuming can walk, and won't also try and fail to catch those trams.

Wembley works because London has great infrastructure, with underground services with multiple times the capacity of a tram running every 2 minutes. It just doesn't exist up here - public transport is abysmal and the roads are jammed as a result.

I believe the new stadium plan would include a train station. That, in addition to improved parking and the fact the ground is within walking distance of three separate Metrolink lines, it should be manageable with some modern master planning. It would be good if the councils could get there heads together and make it easier to walk into the city centre via the canals. It really isn't far.

 

[clarkydaz]

that must have been some fecking rainstorm to have that amount of water pouring over the roof

took me 15 mins walk from stadium to my car. My phone was bricked in my pocket due to how drenched i was

 

[CallyRed]

Just give fans rain macks on matchdays. Problem solved.

 

[RedDevilUnited369]

I wonder how much Jim promised to quietly donate to the Labour Party this summer?

 

[Sunny Jim]

This can’t be serious. A fatal crash that took 44 lives puts terrible ownership and constant mismanagement into perspective

I deleted that post. Sorry mate

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

The titantic is sinking, but lets just paint some rusty bits of steel, rather than the big gaping hole in the side.

 

[simonhch]

Ratcliffe and co would have known about the larger regeneration project before they bought in, and it is clear from their manoeuvrings that they are seeking to generate significant political capital towards the project. Which is smart. All signs point to a brand new stadium as part of a much bigger regeneration initiative for Trafford Park; and given the amount of land the club owns, there will be a lot of ways that the club can drive the cost of stadium down. The branding of “Wembley of the North” is smart considering the whole “levelling up” initiative. I could easily see a 2bn stadium costing the club 1-1.5bn once land sales, tax credits and public money come into play.

I also wouldn’t be surprised to see INEOS assume the debt on their books, rather than the clubs, and instead retain some sort of ownership or lien over it in perpetuity. This would especially be the case if they plan to buy the whole club out.

 

[neon_badger]

The water getting into the away team dressing room is concerning as it's quite new, it was only relocated less than two years ago and is directly under the mutv area and close to the studios used by Sky Sports etc. Despite what people think money does get spent on the stadium it's just almost exclusively in corporate areas, directors lounges and player/coaching areas. I guess ultimately it doesn't really matter where they choose to invest if they won't or can't get the roof sorted.

 

[Pughnichi]

I deleted that post. Sorry mate

I’ll do mine…it’s like it never happened

sshhhhhhh

 

[bosskeano]

took me 15 mins walk from stadium to my car. My phone was bricked in my pocket due to how drenched i was

fecking hell...saw they said 41mm of water fell in less than 2 hours. That's a fecking pelting of rain

 

[Florida Man]

The parking and transport at Old Trafford will be a nightmare too if we increase capacity at all.

The new arena that has opened opposite the Etihad means that when there is an event on there and a City match on on the same evening, there will be around 80,000 people all attempting to get to the same part of Manchester all at the same time.

Metrolink have said not to worry, they'll be putting on more double trams to the area, which could be enough for 4,000 people to travel on them from the city centre. The other 95% of people I'm presuming can walk, and won't also try and fail to catch those trams.

Wembley works because London has great infrastructure, with underground services with multiple times the capacity of a tram running every 2 minutes. It just doesn't exist up here - public transport is abysmal and the roads are jammed as a result.

As a Tampa resident, I can relate. We don’t even have a tram!

 

[miked99]

The parking and transport at Old Trafford will be a nightmare too if we increase capacity at all.

The new arena that has opened opposite the Etihad means that when there is an event on there and a City match on on the same evening, there will be around 80,000 people all attempting to get to the same part of Manchester all at the same time.

Oh wow, the new arena holds 79,000 people?

 

[48 hours]

Maybe we can borrow Tampas pirate ship from their stadium for the next roof flood

 

[klayton88]

I don't get why it's so hard to fix.

Jim'll fix it