Well, who is? I think it's generally the case that the contributions players make during the course of a game tend to cluster. Particularly for those who have a high volume of impactful actions. I don't think it's more the case with him than with others.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 57
- Goals
- 13
- Assists
- 20
- Yellow cards
- 10
- Red cards
- 3
Well, who is? I think it's generally the case that the contributions players make during the course of a game tend to cluster. Particularly for those who have a high volume of impactful actions. I don't think it's more the case with him than with others.
For a start, the players he was compared to in the stat that was posted. I'd say that contemporaries such as Odegaard and Palmer are less gun-slingy too.
Gerrard was often inconsistent in his general play. Don't put him in the same category of players as De Bruyne, Ødegaard etc. He was a better player than Bruno overall, no doubt, he's had more to his game (although the biggest upgrade was probably his physicality), but he suffered from the same issues as our Portuguese.
Okay. My point is just that it's not like the normal thing you can expect is that a good offensive player is more or less equally in evidence throughout the course of a game. And it depends also on the rest of the team. In any case, I'd be rather more focused on the output than on how evenly it's spread.
This team has absolutely no engine without Bruno, it's always so apparent how much drive we lose when he misses a game.
And back then he would have suited football more than now.
Its funny that the caf know so much about football, coaching and players, compared to Manutd managers.
Ole, Rangnick, Ten Hag and now RVN play him in every game, its almost as if they dont know anything...
Now its the same talk as before Ten Hag came, he will drop Bruno.. he wont get in etc...
if ony he could it against a top team
Is it really? Or is that an overreaction for a reactions sake?
I have seen alot of fans say.. Bruno is in trouble under Amorim or doesn't get in.
Alot of fans have wanted Bruno gone for a while now actually.
I am a regular in this thread and I wouldn't say it is a lot at all. No question, a few don't like him (me included) but wouldn't say there are many who really think he wouldn't play under Amorim.
Different question. I also think we should have cashed in but thats a different matter. This thread is notorious for two things - some posters greatly overemphasize his share of the overall problems of the team setup and some posters who feel the need to "jump in and defend their captain against the legions of hell" even when the clear majority on here is in favor of the player (for reasons I personally don't get but that is my thing I guess, I still acknowledge that the majority sees things differently).
There should be a banner - if you attempting a post and it has "some fans" in the first sentence, you should really rethink sending it. Although I guess, this would get rid of a few of my posts as well ^^
No wonder he felt like apologising to EtH. At least our captain is principled.
He may be principled but no player owes ETH an apology.
As I stated in my post, I don't mind him taking risks, trying to pick out a runner can go wrong.
He is careless with flicks, misses simple short passes in dangerous areas and they go against us. Then he throws his arms in the air moaning at others.
I put my controllers down years ago lool
Flicks can come off though.. of memory, the goal against Sheffield United Rashford scored came from a Bruno click at half way line..
This season a couple games ago v Chelsea, his flick put Zirkzee through. I understand fans would rather us play safe and keep the ball but if we want to create chances, risks have to be taken.
I agree though, when he misplaces a pass or something, he throws his hands as if its the other players fault. That needs to be cut out.
Indeed. A recent Bruno flick delivered Hojlund's last league goal to complete a 2-1 comeback. Nobody was moaning about flicks then.
Not directed at you, more a general statement, to me it feels incredible that there's so much chat on the CAF about Bruno's negatives. His positives have him at a level that most players in world football are nowhere near.
Oh thats fine, I know its not directed at me because I like Bruno. I know his negatives generally are highlighted all the time but I appreciate his creative ability.
The Hojlund one is a good one because the fans who want him to take less risk would be moaning that we dont create chances passing it sideways and backwards.
Its interesting because fans want 90% pass accuracy but dont want sideways passing. Its almost as if they expect someone to play a creative pass that has 100% accuracy. Even KDB has similar pass accuracy to Bruno.
I’m probably one of the bigger “Bruno critics” around here but I don’t think I’ve ever once said I want 90% passing accuracy. My issue with the “risk taking” thing is that when he’s bad those risks turn into hopeless punts from deeper and deeper as opposed to him trying crosses or flicks around the opposition box. The difference is one cedes control of the game while the other requires control of the game.
That coupled with his somewhat sloppy technique at times is pretty much where 90% of my frustrations come from with him as a player. When he’s sharp he’s an absolute match winner and brilliant player, I just want his floor performances to be higher than what they’ve tended to be in the past. It’s tough to have a player who’s supposed to be the best on the pitch and our captain have a full month of performances where’s he’s one of the worst out there. That’s a difficult player to build around.
I used to say this, but his performance against City in the cup final was his best ever performance for us, imo.
I'm not that big a fan of Bruno's but credit where it's due.
Either you aren't reading the other posts or you don't understand them. Or you willfully misrepresent them. But what the heck right, lets have the passing accuracy discussion for the 900th time.
Thats the thing, the team shouldn't be built around one player, its a mistake we continue to make.
We have to build a team around the system, unfortunately the managers we have had in the last few years build team around the bigger players and it has cost them due to the imbalance.
Bruno needs to fit the system, if he doesn't, I dont mind seing another player as long as we win games. Im all in backing the manager, these players have had chances with managers building around them and they shown nothing.
Occasionally exasperating player but always comes across as a genuinely top-notch person.
Seems the Portuguese FA are saving the pennies, using Easyjet instead of their national airline TAP, still they could have used Ryanair!
Talk about consistency and then not adding the minutes or matches they were involved in. Has statman dave found changed his account name?
Why are you so eager and determined to discredit Bruno’s numbers?
It’s an agenda. Caf is full of them.
How am I discrediting them? Goals and assists are facts, no one is trying to say that he hasn't scored them. But comparing them to some seemingly deliberately choosen players to proof some sort of "consistency" seems odd to me - because as far as I know, De Bruyne and Son have lengthy injury periods. Given Brunos incredible fitness it will be difficult to find a player to compare him to - which would make it selfexplanatory to add matches or minutes.
If that is already an agenda, then some of you guys have agendas going as well. Yesterday we almost had another turn of the passing accuracy discussion...
Whatever makes you happy. I’m delighted we have one of the best players in the league for the past five years when it comes to goal involvements. Playing more and still having those type of numbers is even more impressive if anything.
I don’t have a need to try to find ways to make his incredible numbers somehow less valid.
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Is it deliberately chosen players or just a ranked list of those with the most goal involvements in all competitions since Bruno joined us? Does not having a per 90 figure drastically change the impression?
Its quite ironic that when players are not fit, it is a black mark against them, they cant stay fit etc...
When we have a player who is always fit.. creating chances and scoring goals.. fans use him being available as a black mark on him..
Well.. he plays more mins so he would have more G/A.
Certain posters dislike Bruno to a point that they will say anything to discredit him.
You could substitute Bruno's name and find the same in pretty much all the player threads, I sometimes wonder why people bother because it seems to me they don't enjoy football
I didn't visit the caf during the Vidic/Terry years, or when Evra/Cole were in their prime, but I like to imagine that any stats showing they were one of the best and most consistent performers in their position were immediately counteracted with posts about how their appearance numbers inflated their stats, which was therefore unfairly excluding the injury-prone greats such as Ledley King.
Yep, seems like alot of negativity around our own players. Those fans must hate watching Manutd because a player they dislike is playing.
I find it strange that we discredit our own players but hype up players from other teams.
We see it all the time in the transfer thread... when a player has a purple patch and we must get him.