Israel - Palestine Discussion

I doubt most of them even get their blood lust satisfied as most of the 'fighting' is done by dropping bombs from fighter jets, drones and artillery.
 
No armed resistance, no peaceful resistance, no diplomatic pressure, no court warrant, and no boycott allowed - you must fund this genocidal entity, and you must enjoy doing it.


In an unprecedented move, the leadership of the Modern Language Association, one of the largest humanities organizations in the United States, is refusing to allow members to vote on a resolution endorsing the 2005 Palestinian call for Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions.

Thirty-nine MLA members introduced the resolution in September. It was on track for a vote by the MLA’s Delegate Assembly at the convention, after more than 100 additional members signed on in support. But on October 29, MLA Executive Director Paula Krebs emailed Anthony Alessandrini, who submitted the resolution, stating that the Executive Council had refused to approve it.
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Devil_forever said:
It looks like Israel will withdraw from north Gaza as part of the ceasefire deal, so much for everyone saying that the plan was to resettle it.
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So we’ve reached the stage where the gotcha you’re going for is that there isn’t going to be ethnic cleansing, from a ceasefire deal that hasn’t even come to fruition?

Great job.
 
africanspur said:
So we’ve reached the stage where the gotcha you’re going for is that there isn’t going to be ethnic cleansing, from a ceasefire deal that hasn’t even come to fruition?

Great job.
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Maybe he can just correctly predict the future months in advance?

Or maybe continually shifting the goalposts is just the hot new game in town?
 


"The moment an Israeli airstrike targeted a tent housing displaced people in Mawasi, Khan Yunis, south of the Gaza Strip".
 
It's just astounding to me how empty these government officials are. Zero thought of their own, no independent opinion, no rationality. Just a blank cheque to Israel because Germany itself did horrific things in the past. Hey man, did you not learn anything here? Maybe to prevent such horrific crimes?

 
Worth noting here is that Alex Press is an openly socialist labour reporter. Clearly that is not a problem for empoyers. Anti-Zionism is. Really interesting to see the unexpected priorities of the ruling class so clearly!

 
VorZakone said:
It's just astounding to me how empty these government officials are. Zero thought of their own, no independent opinion, no rationality. Just a blank cheque to Israel because Germany itself did horrific things in the past. Hey man, did you not learn anything here? Maybe to prevent such horrific crimes?

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I think it became apparent in 2023 itself, after reading a handful of long articles from Germany, that the situation there regarding Israel is unsalvageable.

What's interesting is the perfect wall the Zionists have raised in the US against supposedly hostile public opinion. It is a masterclass. I've said it before, but Bibi is one of the greatest leaders of all time. He has seen the limits of his power are far beyond what others, even Israelis, assumed, and pushed all the way to those limits. Honestly the liberal opposition to him within Israel should be ashamed to oppose him - if they are fundamentally committed to a secure homeland and the possibility of expansion when needed, no other leader could have delivered as he has.
 


▪️ The occupation forces are allowing aid convoys, including fuel vehicles, to take routes full of thieves and bandits who steal them under its protection.

▪️ The last shipment of fuel was stolen yesterday while en route to hospitals through international organizations.

▪️ We reiterate our appeal to all concerned international and humanitarian organizations to urgently intervene and provide fuel to operate generators in hospitals and health centers in the Gaza Strip.

Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza

January 7, 2025
 


The criminals is another smart step by Bibi. They will suppress the population politically, they will drain them of resources, and they will prove to the world that the Palestinians are fundamentally criminal - from their new leadership, to the child terrorists eliminated by the IDF.

Next paragraph, they explain that the plan for the North is informally called the "Chernobylization" of Gaza (direct quote).

I have paid for this Holocaust :) If Hamas targets NYC and kills me, I can not say I am innocent.
 
The phrase, "served as a human shield", from Israeli media, is something I can't get out of my head.

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Gaza death toll has been significantly underreported, study finds
The number of people killed in Gaza is significantly higher than the figure reported by authorities in the enclave, a peer-reviewed study by researchers from a leading health research university in the UK has found.
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According to findings announced by the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) and published in The Lancet journal, there were an estimated 64,260 “traumatic injury deaths” in Gaza between October 7, 2023 and June 30, 2024. The Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza put the figure at 37,877 at the time.
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The total death toll attributable to Israel’s military campaign is likely to be higher still, it said, as its analysis doesn’t account for deaths caused by disruption to health care, insufficient food, clean water and sanitation, and disease outbreaks.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/09/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-underreported-study-intl/index.html
 
Any news on South Africa's genocide case against Israel? Are we waiting on something?
 
VorZakone said:
Any news on South Africa's genocide case against Israel? Are we waiting on something?
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For the genocide to be over so we can pin it on a handful of individuals and collectively agree it's history now and we will remember it forever so it doesn't happen again.
 
maniak said:
For the genocide to be over so we can pin it on a handful of individuals and collectively agree it's history now and we will remember it forever so it doesn't happen again.
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There's no way US-Israel, the successful winners of the war and perpetrators of the genocide, will allow it to be remembered universally as such.

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Chief political analyst for Israel's Channel 12.

There's a thread here about him as a guest on Ezra Klein's show, a good barometer of thoughtful liberalism in America, and how he was portrayed while there.
 
maniak said:
For the genocide to be over so we can pin it on a handful of individuals and collectively agree it's history now and we will remember it forever so it doesn't happen again.
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Except for Germany, where the lesson would be "never again, unless it's the victims of the last genocide commiting the new one, in which case they could use a bit of help from the OG".
 
berbatrick said:
There's no way US-Israel, the successful winners of the war and perpetrators of the genocide, will allow it to be remembered universally as such.
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There's too much evidence. They will put the blame on a handful of individuals and go with the nazi defense... "we didn't know at the time"
 
maniak said:
There's too much evidence. They will put the blame on a handful of individuals and go with the nazi defense... "we didn't know at the time"
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The majority of the world will remember, I will tell my children what Israel did and most likely are still doing by the time they grow up.
 
Barring some future ai-omnipotent factless tyranny, this will be a constant feature that you won't be able to cover up.

Yes, you'll always have your Holocaust deniers and maybe that sentiment will continue to dominate western propaganda about these atrocities, but any future worth living in with any degree of free communication will bare the scars, and all will know who inflicted them, just as it is for the Transatlantic Slave Trade, just as it is with the Nazi Holocaust.
 
Denis79 said:
The majority of the world will remember, I will tell my children what Israel did and most likely are still doing by the time they grow up.
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In countries that caused the Holocaust it's an outside opinion. You're constantly getting branded as antisemitic by fecking racists for calling it a Genocide while you could make a fair point, that it's an old antisemitic pattern to equate jews with the Israeli government.
 
ArbeitervonWien said:
In countries that caused the Holocaust it's an outside opinion. You're constantly getting branded as antisemitic by fecking racists for calling it a Genocide while you could make a fair point, that it's an old antisemitic pattern to equate jews with the Israeli government.
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There are good people everywhere, the same applies to Israeli, but it's important to note that this government did not come to power through force. The mistreatment of Arab civilians has been an ongoing issue, predating Netanyahu's leadership. Similarly, the establishment of illegal settlements began long before the current government. UN reports have labeled these actions as apartheid, illegal, and inhumane for many years, highlighting something long-standing.
I am Serbian, and during our civil war, we committed some truly horrible acts. When Western news outlets reported, "Serbs / Serbia did this or that," I never found it offensive, because it was true. I understand exactly who they are referring to when they say "Serbia or Serbs" The same applies to many conflicts, it's not "Nixon did this in Vietnam" but America did this and that, this list goes on and on.

Being instantly labeled an anti-Semite for simply criticizing Israel is a problem that needs to be addressed and I feel is a tool used, by those same racists you are talking about to quickly derail any discussion.
 
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