Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

And what about the steel learning curve our manager has to go under to learn how to manage in this league? Could it not just be he and his tactics are not fit for purpose?

Its highly unlikely its the latter given that he requires several key players to make his tactics work, which we currently don't have. That's why (to beat a dead drum) its critical he gets a full summer window to add a few players. Next year this time, we will know where all of this is going.
 
And what about the steel learning curve our manager has to go under to learn how to manage in this league? Could it not just be he and his tactics are not fit for purpose?
I know for a fact it has zilch to do with tactics 'not being fit for purpose". First Conte won this league easily using the exact same tactics. Second, this squad was already struggling massively in the tactical set up it was bought to operate in even before he took over. So the laziest argument to hide behind as a detractor are the tactics. People conveniently forget for example how Pep his first season struggled to get comsistent tune out a City. Yet he had inherited quality, a squad used to something similar to his style on top of a summer window and pre season.


Yet some how expect Amorim, mid season, without the quality, without he himself having Pep's experience nor aura. To have our sinking Titanic flying like a peak British navy battle cruiser. Instead of slowly plugging the leaks to make it to shore for mega repairs, so that the iceberg damage left behind doesn't claim it in the ocean depths.....
 
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I would like to believe you but where’s the evidence that we will be better for it long term? There’s no progress to see anywhere on the field five months in to his tenure here. Could it be that his system only worked under a very specific set of circumstances in Portugal while not being tenable here?

No-one plays it here. Not anyone that's had success anyway
 
There's no tangible evidence of this. In retrospect, its easy to say it was in the decline because Fergie retired and was replaced by Moyes, who then made a mess of things. Had Fergie stayed on, as always, the right summer moves would've kept our success going.

By the same argument you choose to deploy then Moyes could have kept our success going with the "right summer moves". He wasn't given much time.
 
It’s highly unlikely it’s the latter given that he requires several key players to make his tactics work, which we currently don't have. That's why (to beat a dead drum) it’s critical he gets a full summer window to add a few players. Next year this time, we will know where all of this is going.
Next year this time? That’s far too long. Once he’s given a full preseason to coach the players; makes some (more) of his own signings/get players permanently gone — we should see signs of steady progress by December. There’s no reason why we would have to wait until April 2026 to see whether or not he’s up to it.
 
I don't know what sort of improvement he's going to make with a few new players in the summer, but he better start off like a house on fire.

I don't want to be out of the top 4 chase by November.
 
The Man Utd fan obsession with protecting managers. Why are people defending his abysmal record? We were 14th when he came in and we sit 14th still. I see no improvement and we are playing formation that doesn’t play to our best players strength. It’s complete and utter madness and only Man United would get themselves into this situation. The board seems to look at who’s flavour of the month rather than identifying whether they suit the club. A manager whose system is 3-4-3 will never work at this club, especially when the squad was never built to play it. We are skint and the board decided to try a new direction where we need to spend money on wingbacks and 10s just to build a squad for the system, when we already needed strikers, midfielders and GK. Amorim was always going to fail because the management above him have no clue how to run a successful football club.
Not playing a formation to which best players? You mean Garnacho? If you remeber well also ETH kept him out and only played him as a sub this season.
 
Is that the players or the system? They weren’t as toothless last season.
It’s definitely a combination of both. We have an average squad (who have had the confidence and morale crushed out of them) but it’s exacerbated by the fact that we set up with [far] more defensive players than attacking players. The automatisms in the final third seems to have been sucked out of the players because we so rarely get there cleanly and consistently these days. And when we do… it’s routinely with guys like Gorgu, Dalot, Eriksen etc. in attacking areas.
 
We haven't fulfilled our potential from day 1 - which is why we sacked the manager. Amorim has predictably not turned things around because he came into this mid stream without the benefit of training with his players or a summer window to buy suitable ones that work in his system. That's why he won't be judged until next year - and SJR's public comments have tacitly confirmed this.

I was asking for YOUR judgement, not SJR's.

Evidently, when Amorim took over you expected us to be as bad as we have been. No doubt, you also predicted us to be around 14th in the league with 6 games to go.

With the "right signings" over summer, where do you predict we will finish next season then?
 
Lies. "Challenging in few years.."

Amorim was given the shortest managerial contract in OT.
The powers that be gave him 2 and half years contract.
Already, 6 months of the 30 months contract is over. So AMORIM has 24 months to deliver. In short he has 2 seasons to deliver, nothing like few years time.

So with this in mind, and how the results have turned out, you believe INEOS employed him, gave him 30 months contract, use the first 6 months to take the club further down in results and miraculously use the remaining 24 months to take us to challenging positions?


Do you know how hard it is to get back to where we were, just finishing 2nd or 3rd. Not even winning the league.
So we wouldn't win it, when we had managers who had us in position 2 or 3, but somehow we will achieve success with a manager who had us position 14?
Contract issue - who cares how short it is? He gets us top 4 in that time it'll get extended, if not he's going. You should be happy since you seem to hate him

Position 14 - come back to me when he's gotten us 14th in a full season in charge, okay? I seem to understand something called context, and circumstances
 
Lies. "Challenging in few years.."

Amorim was given the shortest managerial contract in OT.
The powers that be gave him 2 and half years contract.
Already, 6 months of the 30 months contract is over. So AMORIM has 24 months to deliver. In short he has 2 seasons to deliver, nothing like few years time.

So with this in mind, and how the results have turned out, you believe INEOS employed him, gave him 30 months contract, use the first 6 months to take the club further down in results and miraculously use the remaining 24 months to take us to challenging positions?


Do you know how hard it is to get back to where we were, just finishing 2nd or 3rd. Not even winning the league.
So we wouldn't win it, when we had managers who had us in position 2 or 3, but somehow we will achieve success with a manager who had us position 14?
When Ten Hag was fired end of October we were already in position 14, so all your rant is really pertaining to him. Of course position 14 is no good enough, whatever the issues with the squad. You realize though how brain dead it is to bring in a manager mid season on position 14 and then sack him again that same season when you're on position 14 before giving him a preseason and a summer transfer window?
 
By the same argument you choose to deploy then Moyes could have kept our success going with the "right summer moves". He wasn't given much time.

In retrospect no, because Moyes had the benefit of having inherited a league winning side and quickly found himself to be a deer in the headlights at a bigger club. Nor was he hired mid-season following a 12 year period during which the club floundered in mediocrity.
 
Top of top half finish with this squad that had 95% who have never played back 3 football before. Whk were also struggling already in Tue traditional formations they were bought for.

I wouldn't describe finishing 10th as a miracle personally.

I haven't made my mind up on Amorim yet I think he needs more time. And I'd like to see what he does with this squad after a preseason and several additions.

But I don’t think people are being unreasonable if they think we should have been doing at least marginally better than we have done since November. The injuries certainly haven't helped though.
 
Next year this time? That’s far too long. Once he’s given a full preseason to coach the players; makes some (more) of his own signings/get players permanently gone — we should see signs of steady progress by December. There’s no reason why we would have to wait until April 2026 to see whether or not he’s up to it.

Its going to depend what that progress is. For example, if we move from 13th to 8th - that would technically be progress but wouldn't be nearly enough imo. He has to finish in the top 5 to stay on the job after next year.
 
It's no secret that I see it as a huge gamble that the club signed Amorim. He will play a formation that we don't have the players for in the squad. Therefore, it will require that a number of players be replaced with others:

- We don't have wing backs that are good enough for the system. Amorim then got Dorgu last winter, so now there is 1.

- We have wingers in the club who either have to learn to play another position, or simply can't be used anymore.

- We don't have a striker type that can do without the support he would normally get from, among other things, wing backs in this system.

- In addition, there is the regular replacement of central midfielders like Casemiro and Eriksen.

I fear that Amorim will be allowed to buy and sell so that he gets the players that fit his system, after which the club will fire him due to lack of results. This means we risk being in a similar situation again if they don't get a manager who will then play a similar system to Amorim.

It would have been a far smaller risk to sign a manager who could play a system that suited the club (and squad) better.
 
It's no secret that I see it as a huge gamble that the club signed Amorim. He will play a formation that we don't have the players for in the squad. Therefore, it will require that a number of players be replaced with others:

- We don't have wing backs that are good enough for the system. Amorim then got Dorgu last winter, so now there is 1.

- We have wingers in the club who either have to learn to play another position, or simply can't be used anymore.

- We don't have a striker type that can do without the support he would normally get from, among other things, wing backs in this system.

- In addition, there is the regular replacement of central midfielders like Casemiro and Eriksen.

I fear that Amorim will be allowed to buy and sell so that he gets the players that fit his system, after which the club will fire him due to lack of results. This means we risk being in a similar situation again if they don't get a manager who will then play a similar system to Amorim.
Yes but the best thing to do is ignore all that, and repeat the same mistakes of the past. Its what we do best
 
I would like to believe you but where’s the evidence that we will be better for it long term? There’s no progress to see anywhere on the field five months in to his tenure here. Could it be that his system only worked under a very specific set of circumstances in Portugal while not being tenable here?
the specific set of circumstances being that he had the right players for each position which hasn’t been the case here. He’s brought in one player and others have been moved on. So it’s still essentially been Amorim trying to get a tune out of ETH’s squad which I think we all agree was pretty poorly assembled (be that due to Ten Hag, the scouting team or whoever might carry the blame)

I choose to see the post ETH season as a very painful audition process to see which players can work in Amorims system. The season was written off by the time Amorim came in and now I’d hope he has a good idea of which players fit the system and which need to be upgraded on.

I see in general that more of the first choice guys get the game plan and if we had a reliable striker I think we’d be a lot less concerned about the transition.
 
It's no secret that I see it as a huge gamble that the club signed Amorim. He will play a formation that we don't have the players for in the squad. Therefore, it will require that a number of players be replaced with others:

- We don't have wing backs that are good enough for the system. Amorim then got Dorgu last winter, so now there is 1.

- We have wingers in the club who either have to learn to play another position, or simply can't be used anymore.

- We don't have a striker type that can do without the support he would normally get from, among other things, wing backs in this system.

- In addition, there is the regular replacement of central midfielders like Casemiro and Eriksen.

I fear that Amorim will be allowed to buy and sell so that he gets the players that fit his system, after which the club will fire him due to lack of results. This means we risk being in a similar situation again if they don't get a manager who will then play a similar system to Amorim.

It would have been a far smaller risk to sign a manager who could play a system that suited the club better.
I'm at least 90% sure your second last paragraph will end up being true
 
Lies. "Challenging in few years.."

Amorim was given the shortest managerial contract in OT.
The powers that be gave him 2 and half years contract.
Already, 6 months of the 30 months contract is over. So AMORIM has 24 months to deliver. In short he has 2 seasons to deliver, nothing like few years time.

So with this in mind, and how the results have turned out, you believe INEOS employed him, gave him 30 months contract, use the first 6 months to take the club further down in results and miraculously use the remaining 24 months to take us to challenging positions?


Do you know how hard it is to get back to where we were, just finishing 2nd or 3rd. Not even winning the league.
So we wouldn't win it, when we had managers who had us in position 2 or 3, but somehow we will achieve success with a manager who had us position 14?
Which manager should we get that will take us from 14th to 1st then with these players?
 
It's no secret that I see it as a huge gamble that the club signed Amorim. He will play a formation that we don't have the players for in the squad. Therefore, it will require that a number of players be replaced with others:

- We don't have wing backs that are good enough for the system. Amorim then got Dorgu last winter, so now there is 1.

- We have wingers in the club who either have to learn to play another position, or simply can't be used anymore.

- We don't have a striker type that can do without the support he would normally get from, among other things, wing backs in this system.

- In addition, there is the regular replacement of central midfielders like Casemiro and Eriksen.

I fear that Amorim will be allowed to buy and sell so that he gets the players that fit his system, after which the club will fire him due to lack of results. This means we risk being in a similar situation again if they don't get a manager who will then play a similar system to Amorim.

It would have been a far smaller risk to sign a manager who could play a system that suited the club better.

All of this plus significant injuries, where he hasn't had access to players like Shaw, Mount, Amad, Martinez, and Mainoo (among others) for lengthy stretches.
 
A very likeable guy and we’re all desperate for him to be a success here. However, not having recorded back to back league wins since he’s been here is mental. Wolves won their fourth Premier League game in a row today. Where’s their new coach’s hundreds of millions needed to turn it around? Do all his players fit his system? I know there is some context and things aren’t that simple but, come on, the results have been absolutely shocking and not one of us can honestly say we expected it to be this bad when he was announced last year.

With 6 games to go, we are not mathematically safe from relegation. That’s even more mental.

Personally, one of my biggest worries going forward is what this horrendous start/ run will do to the confidence of him and the players that remain next season. It’s hard enough going into a new season with new players that need bedding in etc, without having nothing in the bank with the supporters and club hierarchy due to an abomination of a season before. Lose a couple of games in a row early next season and will heads start to drop?

Everything seems to be riding on winning the Europa, despite some refusing to think this will have a significant impact on his long term future here. It’s a lot of pressure on a squad that proves time and time again it doesn’t have a remotely strong mentality.

If we don’t progress on Thursday, it won’t be pretty. I think we can win that game, though, despite our current struggles. Gonna take a huge upturn to win the whole thing, mind.
 
Or to simplify things, we should've sacked ETH at last season's end and hired a new manager immediately after.
Bingo. But we didn't so here we are. The board have to answer for this screwed up season, not the new manager. He will have to answer for the next one.
 
The Man Utd fan obsession with protecting managers. Why are people defending his abysmal record? We were 14th when he came in and we sit 14th still. I see no improvement and we are playing formation that doesn’t play to our best players strength. It’s complete and utter madness and only Man United would get themselves into this situation. The board seems to look at who’s flavour of the month rather than identifying whether they suit the club. A manager whose system is 3-4-3 will never work at this club, especially when the squad was never built to play it. We are skint and the board decided to try a new direction where we need to spend money on wingbacks and 10s just to build a squad for the system, when we already needed strikers, midfielders and GK. Amorim was always going to fail because the management above him have no clue how to run a successful football club.
Yup. If you are in a crisis you don't change playing system mid season. That is taking on additional risk and uncertainty.
 
Contract issue - who cares how short it is? He gets us top 4 in that time it'll get extended, if not he's going. You should be happy since you seem to hate him

Position 14 - come back to me when he's gotten us 14th in a full season in charge, okay? I seem to understand something called context, and circumstances
Why should i hate a man i dont know, never met.
A man who met ME supporting United, will leave me supporting United.

I love Manchester UNITED more than Amorim. Because i know Amorim will leave me here. ETH went left us here. Some of us tried to warn people without a flat 3 midfielders ETH wont make it, we were called names. ETH left, we are here me and you still struggling with our team.

Then another guy from Portugal comes to our club, results plummets massively but Fooza we should act normal?

We need to be honest with ourselves. Amorim appointment is leaning on being a massive blunder. It took Ashworth with it. If the appointment fails, it needs to take out whoever supported this appointment.
 
In retrospect no, because Moyes had the benefit of having inherited a league winning side and quickly found himself to be a deer in the headlights at a bigger club. Nor was he hired mid-season following a 12 year period during which the club floundered in mediocrity.

This very much sounds to me like Amorim revisionism which is odd considering he's not been manager for that long.

I like Amorim. I want him to succeed. I thought he was the right coach for us and I hope he still is but it's very easy to claim that Amorim could also be a deer in the headlights.

I think Fergie's last title skewed the perception that we had a strong foundation to build upon and that Moyes should have been doing far better considering he had "inherited a league winning side".

Take a look at that last title winning squad from Fergie.

Cleverley was getting 18 Prem starts that season. Jonny Evans had 21 starts. Rafael had 28.

Giggs was 38. Scholes was 37. Three of our four starting defenders were over the age of 30
 
I said it he won't be a success at United. He's lucky if he gets top four within his contractual period I can't see it. It doesn't necessarily entail that he's a bad manager but at this point in his career the jump to United was too big and too soon. The Ferdinand interview was perhaps him being more honest than necessary, he doesn't have the experience or expertise to reinvigorate this current United team.

If I'm INEOS, I would recruit in the summer not tailored to Rubens specific formation but rather aiming for versatility so that in the very realistic event he does get sacked (future) the squad balance is not decimated for another manager to contend with.

Berrada must shoulder much of the blame it was clear from their intent that they assumed Amorim would hit the ground running, hence avoiding a temporary appointment for the season and committing to a longer term individual. You don't sign a manager on a 2+1 contract with having an Arteta like trajectory. They massively miscalculated this appointment.
 
When Ten Hag was fired end of October we were already in position 14, so all your rant is really pertaining to him. Of course position 14 is no good enough, whatever the issues with the squad. You realize though how brain dead it is to bring in a manager mid season on position 14 and then sack him again that same season when you're on position 14 before giving him a preseason and a summer transfer window?
When Amorim took over we was 9th 4 point off top 5 iirc now I want to believe in him but he needs to show something soon as to why people should buy into him because outside of a near perfect transfer window the majority of these players are going to be in or around the 1st team and not many have shown any improvement.

Edit: Ignore the position and points was off. We was 12th and 6 points off top 5 after his first game.
 
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The Man Utd fan obsession with protecting managers. Why are people defending his abysmal record? We were 14th when he came in and we sit 14th still. I see no improvement and we are playing formation that doesn’t play to our best players strength. It’s complete and utter madness and only Man United would get themselves into this situation. The board seems to look at who’s flavour of the month rather than identifying whether they suit the club. A manager whose system is 3-4-3 will never work at this club, especially when the squad was never built to play it. We are skint and the board decided to try a new direction where we need to spend money on wingbacks and 10s just to build a squad for the system, when we already needed strikers, midfielders and GK. Amorim was always going to fail because the management above him have no clue how to run a successful football club.
I agree.

If someone wants him to be given time then fair enough, but I wish they'd just be honest and say it's based on nothing but hope and blind faith.

I'm sick of reading nonsense excuses. It's like Ten Hag all over again. The fact of the matter is Amorim has been a disaster so far. There's no dressing it up any other way.
 
Why should i hate a man i dont know, never met.
A man who met ME supporting United, will leave me supporting United.

I love Manchester UNITED more than Amorim. Because i know Amorim will leave me here. ETH went left us here. Some of us tried to warn people without a flat 3 midfielders ETH wont make it, we were called names. ETH left, we are here me and you still struggling with our team.

Then another guy from Portugal comes to our club, results plummets massively but Fooza we should act normal?

We need to be honest with ourselves. Amorim appointment is leaning on being a massive blunder. It took Ashworth with it. If the appointment fails, it needs to take out whoever supported this appointment.
Honestly, we ain't going to know if it's a massive blunder until a few seasons on. Trust me we won't know much now, because most of our players are going to go regardless of manager in or out. Recruitment is vital and patience is needed, at least a year. I'm not even asking for 2-3 seasons
 
When Amorim took over we was 9th 4 point off top 5 iirc now I want to believe in him but he needs to show something soon as to why people should buy into him because outside of a near perfect transfer window the majority of these players are going to be in or around the 1st team and not many have shown any improvement.
No, when he took over we were 13th, up from 14th at the time of Ten Hag's sacking and after the team had gotten 4 points from Chelsea and Leicester unter Ruud. Both results and performances, on the whole, have been rather poor and no doubt we need to show more going forward. But it's not like he dug us into this hole, he merely didn't dig us out yet.
The point still stands, he needs to be able to have a preseason and a couple of improvements to the squad. Ten Hag invested 120m € in a strike force of Hojlund and Zirkzee and the disciplinary issues of Rashford grew virulent also under him (not saying Ten Hag is to blame for that). That is what Amorim was handed over, a black hole where an attack should be, and he deserves to be given a couple of better attackers in summer. He also deserves to have the Onana debacle sorted out. And then he needs to deliver.
 
I don't know what sort of improvement he's going to make with a few new players in the summer, but he better start off like a house on fire.

I don't want to be out of the top 4 chase by November.

Same here. I don't care about us losing matches whilst we're getting to grips with a new system. I DO care about us looking just as bad at playing that system at game # 32 under a new manager as at game # 1 under that same manager.

Yes-we can all close our eyes and hope that some summer signings will revolutionise the way we play and yes, it would be a revolution and not an evolution.
 
This very much sounds to me like Amorim revisionism which is odd considering he's not been manager for that long.

I like Amorim. I want him to succeed. I thought he was the right coach for us and I hope he still is but it's very easy to claim that Amorim could also be a deer in the headlights.

I think Fergie's last title skewed the perception that we had a strong foundation to build upon and that Moyes should have been doing far better considering he had "inherited a league winning side".

Take a look at that last title winning squad from Fergie.

Cleverley was getting 18 Prem starts that season. Jonny Evans had 21 starts. Rafael had 28.

Giggs was 38. Scholes was 37. Three of our four starting defenders were over the age of 30

I suppose to buy the idea that United were in decline during a year they won the league, you would have to also believe Fergie staying wouldn't have resulted in doing what he always did over the years - simply sell or retire older players and buy new ones. There are no guarantees Cleverly, Welbeck, Evans or Rafael would've stuck around indefinitely in anything more than squad roles (if at all).

Its a bit like saying we were in decline during our mini-dry spell of leagues from 03/04 to 06/07 when we lost Beckham, Veron, Barthez, Roy Keane, Phil Neville et al, but promptly reloaded with CR7, Rooney, Park, Vidic, Evra, Pique, Saha and others. Just because one particular team looks to be winding down, doesn't mean the same manager couldn't simply buy replacements if he decided to stay on. Therefore, this idea that United were in decline strains credulity since the real problem was SAF's departure and replacement by a manager who clearly wasn't good enough.
 
Realistically how much do you see him getting with a EL win? And further more how much do you reckon he'll need to spend to make this team resemble that of a team?

The transfer window is going to have to be near perfect for next year to be any better than what we're seeing week in, week out.
Newcastle today had Nick Pope, Dan Burns, Livremento, Daryl Murphy, Kieran Trippier, Harvey Barnes starting and Gordon and Wilson coming from the bench, why did United start with one 18 year old English player, the core of our squad is rotten, they are here for the cash and have no true understanding of what it is to play for Manchester United.

We are an English team playing in the English PL without the best English players in our squad, we need to recruit PL proven and the best young English talent available.

I’d go as far as to say we should have probably recruited a PL proven coach too?
 
No, when he took over we were 13th, up from 14th at the time of Ten Hag's sacking and after the team had gotten 4 points from Chelsea and Leicester unter Ruud. Both results and performances, on the whole, have been rather poor and no doubt we need to show more going forward.
The point still stands, he needs to be able to have a preseason and a couple of improvements to the squad. Ten Hag invested 120m € in a strike force of Hojlund and Zirkzee and the disciplinary issues of Rashford grew virulent also under him (not saying Ten Hag is to blame for that). That is what Amorim was handed over, a black hole where an attack should be, and he deserves to be given a couple of better attackers in summer. And then he needs to deliver.


I don't want to defend Amorim or even ETH too much but they have both had to deal with the absence of first team attackers who have decided to either go AWOL or rogue. Almost our entire front line have proven to be toxic...

Ronaldo
Greenwood
Sancho
Rashford

And I'm not even including Martial in that.

That's 4 or 5 of our attacking options all left without us getting much money to be able to buy decent replacements.