Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[DevilsOwn]

I get your point but he's literally had no chance so far. He's not even had one proper window.

And the one window he had, we actually became worse in terms of personnel available.

Yesterday, he had to rest/rotate players/ give time to injured players to recover; and see what options he had.

An untested young left back.
A GK who has barely played, and when played showed nothing to command a first XI slot.
A midfielder who is well past his prime and has no legs.
A CB who is just pathetic and counting days before he leaves.

Thats 4 players who should be anywhere near a starting XI in a premier league game, lest against a top 4 side away from home.

This is our reality - and no proclamation that our "squad is better than where it is on the league table" can change this fact.

 

[Acquire Me]

If he's backed he'll be a success. Honestly lads, just exercise some patience.

Agree. This season was always going to be a write off. Lots of work to be done in the summer.

That said, let’s hope we can pull something off in Europe.

 

[Telsim]

Then why did we offer him the job and why did he accept it??

Makes no sense.

We have to give him 3 years at least. We are not making any progress by sacking him and his staff at presumably great expense and hiring someone else less than a year after we make a big splash to hire one of the best young coaches in Europe.

Why did United chase Ashworth, paid compensation, then sacked him 5 months in? He was also touted as one of the best-in-class executives, by Ratcliffe himself even. Made no sense, but it happened. Well, that was because it was supposedly a bad fit. Same with Amorim. The team doesn't fit the coach and United don't have the resources for such a drastic change.

I'm not advocating either way. I'm indifferent at this point, I don't really care what happens. I just think that is what will happen, unless he pulls a miracle and wins the Europa League.

 

[MaxZorin]

The very fact he’d probably agree with it is a red flag!

You think it's a 'red flag' Amorim would agree this season's form cannot continue into next?

Why did United chase Ashworth, paid compensation, then sacked him 5 months in? He was also touted as one of the best-in-class executives, by Ratcliffe himself even. Made no sense, but it happened. Well, that was because it was supposedly a bad fit. Same with Amorim. The team doesn't fit the coach and United don't have the resources for such a drastic change.

I'm not advocating either way. I'm indifferent at this point, I don't really care what happens. I just think that is what will happen, unless he pulls a miracle and wins the Europa League.

Yes, chasing Ashworth was a terrible decision.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

You do realise that we don’t play 3-4-3 right ?

Leverkursen last season was a pure 3-4-3 side. Literally identical to how Amorim used it at Sporting. Atalanta last season and now is still pure 3-4-3. Conte with Chelsea was pure 3-4-3. Inter play a back 3 formation hence I include them even thought it's 3-5-2. All because the prevailing claim in here is two pronged: i) 3-4-3 is bullshit II) back 3 football doesn't work at elite level.

I constantly see people saying that we do and compare it to Chelsea under Conte or Leverkusen under Alonso or Inter under Inzaghi yet we do NOT play 3-4-3, we play 3-4-2-1 which a lot of the time is more 5-2-2-1 as unless Amad plays there our wing backs are full backs.

This is remarkable. We play a strict 3-4-3 with inside 10s. Just because one "feels"the players in the roles are not as attacking or as quality as they'd like. Doesn't flip the tactic to a back 5 or whatever other shape they can dream up. There is nothing more silly than pretending our system" is a back 5' by only registering our shape without the ball. As if there is ANY back 3 formation that defends with just a 3! Even 4-2-3-1's defends as 4-4-2/4-5-2 and attack as 3-2-5s. No one serious denotes the formations in those other shapes....

Even worse is the constant claim ."Amorim is overly defensive". Yet he literally uses what he has available. He'd like to have more than just Casemiro and Ugarte available to himself in center midfield right now. He'd love to have Amad
and Antony available all the time as a wing backs two. He'd love to have Rashford, Mount and Sancho fully available in attack to. Amad. But he can't can he? You think its by choice?

Tatically inflexible? You think he is a low block, counter attack, occasionally pressing manager? You think 'flexibility" is ONLY in changing shape?

Yesterday he for example played Ugarte and Eriksen together. Had Bruno, Garnacho and Zirkzee in attack. Away from home vs a Newcastle. Is that a defensive set up to you? How did THAT turn out? So much "for being defensive" ....and 'inflexible"

Some of you just won't admit the bleeding obvious. Namely that this squad is STILL closing its steep knowledge gap about the formation. Plus is inadequate personnel wise in key roles for the system to work without ANY reinforcements amidst a mid season football direction change. You'd rather reach for low hanging fruit like 'Its INEOS", "Its the players", "It the manager' strictly. Zero nuance. Zero accounting for mitigating circumstance.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

I think we are already at a stage where there is no other option than to trust the new Ineos Team and the manager they know what they are doing.

Sacking him seem not the answer as another new manager will also struggle with this team. The problem seem to be not only the manager. It's the entire football structure and culture at the club that need to be revamped.

Hope he is the new SAF that trying his best to change the club's rotten culture and establishing new structure for long term success.

I think we can only hope for the best and it will takes time to see improvement. Fingers crossed we can achieve Mission 21 by 2028!

Short term target now is hope we can win the EL. It's a winnable tournament.

 

[SilentWitness]

Said it in the other thread but you were going to have games like this during this season with him.

Newcastle are a club that are much further along in their development cycle with this manager and their new owners than you are with Amorim and your new owners. They are well drilled and well set up and crucially, they have the personnel in the squad and first 11 that suit the style of the manager and the way they want to play.

When I have caught your games recently, it looked like the side was reflecting his style more and you were getting used to it and clicking, but that's with the same personnel that were originally majorly struggling with it, of which some aren't good enough generally or suited to it. It was known before Amorim that the squad needed major surgery. It's known with Amorim.

I am pretty confident he will do much better next season with a strong transfer window behind him and with a summer where he can implement his ideas with minimal pressure.

 

[Woziak]

Then why did we offer him the job and why did he accept it??

Makes no sense.

We have to give him 3 years at least. We are not making any progress by sacking him and his staff at presumably great expense and hiring someone else less than a year after we make a big splash to hire one of the best young coaches in Europe.

We will not be giving him 3 months next season let alone 3 years if he has 29% win rate and loses half the games he manages, he’ll be gone after 8-10 games?

 

[Von Mistelroum]

I have faith in Amorim. I think he would, and likely will be a huge success at another club. He's a great manager who doesn't deserve the squad he's inherited, the lack of ambition, or the state of the club he's arrived at.

I don't think he can succeed here though. He currently has a squad full ofv technically very poor players and no money to improve this. It would take a long time to see real improvement and I don't think he'll get that.

For example: this summer we're broke. We need to rely on selling players like Rashford, Antony, Sancho. Players (mostly) on high wages and in the cases if Sancho and Rashford, extreme delusions of grandeur. Let's say we manage to shift them for around £75m combined. That's all the money we have to spend. We might get a cheap striker, lesser known midfielder and maybe a free transfer of some sort. We might also sell on some other drops, so let's say we also manage to buy a half decent keeper too.

These bargain basement players are very unlikely to be able to kick on our current crop of talentless goons. We're likely to finish in a similar position to this season which will almost certainly see Amorim sacked. I think he would need at least 4 more transfer windows and some seriously talented people scouting cheap but quality players in order to really get this squad overhauled. There's no way he's getting that time.

 

[Dans]

You are living in cuckoo land. 3 seasons? What has he shown so far to warrant such a backing? I think Amorim knows he is skating on thin ice. He knows he will be eliminated and sacked if the current trajectory continues. No top club with aspiration to win will be given him 3 seasons.

He doesn't have the players. If he doesn't have the players, and let's face it, this should have been a massive red flag and fairly obvious, then why offer him the job in the first place if you expect a half season revolution with that very group that have failed previous managers too?

 

[Eugenius]

Said it in the other thread but you were going to have games like this during this season with him.

Newcastle are a club that are much further along in their development cycle with this manager and their new owners than you are with Amorim and your new owners. They are well drilled and well set up and crucially, they have the personnel in the squad and first 11 that suit the style of the manager and the way they want to play.

When I have caught your games recently, it looked like the side was reflecting his style more and you were getting used to it and clicking, but that's with the same personnel that were originally majorly struggling with it, of which some aren't good enough generally or suited to it. It was known before Amorim that the squad needed major surgery. It's known with Amorim.

I am pretty confident he will do much better next season with a strong transfer window behind him and with a summer where he can implement his ideas with minimal pressure.

The thing is, we have been getting beaten consistently by every side between 5th and 15th. We have seen the same results against Newcastle, Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford, Palace etc home and away. Which are basically the meat of the league and the teams you need to get some results from (eg take 3-4 points off them a year) to do well in the league. We have done OK going low block against the big clubs and beaten the relegation fodder by and large.

We're at a stage where the hope we all have is basically having an amazing transfer window and luck with injuries (eg Mount, Shaw, Licha and Amad to return) which are all out of the manager's control. Doesn't look like there's much to actually see from the coaching side that we will be threatening top 6 (we have improved in recent weeks but from a very low base in terms of the new system).

 

[Ciddy]

We can't have another season like this one and I don't see a pre-season and what I can only imagine, 3 new players solving the issues we are seeing. We need to swap so many players and I still worry that if we build towards an Amorim style and then get rid we'll be in an even worse place that we have been previously. I'm not a fan of 3 at the back what so ever. It doesn't sure things up and just leave us light further up the field and it shows what such a poor scoring record. He's not going to shift based on what he has said and that is truly what worries me. The no plan B. I'd love it to work out for him here and we finally settle into a manager but I just don't see it.

 

[SilentWitness]

The thing is, we have been getting beaten consistently by every side between 5th and 15th. We have seen the same results against Newcastle, Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford, Palace etc home and away. Which are basically the meat of the league and the teams you need to get some results from (eg take 3-4 points off them a year) to do well in the league. We have done OK going low block against the big clubs and beaten the relegation fodder by and large.

We're at a stage where the hope we all have is basically having an amazing transfer window and luck with injuries (eg Mount, Shaw, Licha and Amad to return) which are all out of the manager's control. Doesn't look like there's much to actually see from the coaching side that we will be threatening top 6 (we have improved in recent weeks but from a very low base in terms of the new system).

Due to the point that a lot of the personnel in the squad do not reflect the system which Amorim wants to implement. The system working to a high level is going to be dependent on the recruitment, but that's going to be the case for any manager. Recruitment is key for any manager you decided to appoint.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Amorim has ripped out the system for an entirely new one and saw our squad options weakened in January.

I was very much pissed off with him a couple months back and held him to account on performances, but if we do the same now you'd realise our actual in game performances have generally improved. We can now see players understand their roles but there's a clear problem with quality.

Yesterday we looked fine for the entire first half and we fielded Amass, Lindelof and Eriksen. Even then the game didn't go away from us until individual mistakes came into play. It wasn't a system or tactical issue.

Exactly.

 

[Vault Dweller]

I do have to say starting Lindelof and Eriksen was weird for me. Surely, two guys who are leaving in the summer, we don't need to be starting league games with, even at this stage of the season? What is the point? I'd rather be having a look at who we do have and who will be staying.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

They were unlucky as they were just a few points off CL in the xG table. You could clearly see signs. We are performing worse (16th) than our actual position.

I checked the XPTS for last season: their XPTS by season end STILL had them in 14th at most. They finished 17th. In identical circumstance to ours.

Ours right now put us in 14th. Exactly where we are right now.

 

[Redstain]

Then why did we offer him the job and why did he accept it??

Makes no sense.

We have to give him 3 years at least. We are not making any progress by sacking him and his staff at presumably great expense and hiring someone else less than a year after we make a big splash to hire one of the best young coaches in Europe.

Because he's underperformed and he's admittedly said as much on multiple occasions it's not rocket science.

He's also not getting 3 years this favourable sentiment needs to die off, he's on a 2 year plus additional 1 contract, as things stand INEOS would be mental to even trigger the extra year option. United have a manager who's won 6 games in 21 apps with half of those wins against the relegation sides and many are convinced Amorim will be a success.

I honestly believe that signing more players won't move the needle due to inept management. Dorgu hasn't changed the dynamics of the team and has been a key first team player. I think optimistically Amorim would be lucky to get top four throughout his entire contract duration. Realistically even with a good summer I think the team finishes around 10th - 8th. Too many tactical limitations and his ideology handicaps the teams attack.

 

[The Boy]

This season's league is long gone for you, so yesterday's game was meaningless really. Amorim used it to rest players and prepare the squad for Thursday. Amass, Lindelof, Bayindir, Eriksen, won't get a look on Thurs. The only sour point really was the injury to Zirkzee, even Bruno was taken off to be protected and that never happens! It's all about priorities now and given how this season has panned out, it was the right thing for Amorim to do.

 

[flappyjay]

I do have to say starting Lindelof and Eriksen was weird for me. Surely, two guys who are leaving in the summer, we don't need to be starting league games with, even at this stage of the season? What is the point? I'd rather be having a look at who we do have and who will be staying.

I think he was saving Maguire and Casa for Thursday. On the other hand Mainoo, Shaw and Mount aren't ready to start any matches.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

No amount of coaching can fix players desire to run & work hard

I feel.We are also overly had on players at times. Eriksen and Lindeloff for example were defeated by pure physics. No amount of will would have allowed them lay a finger on Barnes to stop him

 

[Ronaldo's Love Child]

Agree. This season was always going to be a write off. Lots of work to be done in the summer.

That said, let’s hope we can pull something off in Europe.

I can get behind that idea. Even I forget at times that we are in a rebuild and it will be painful but there should some signs of improvement and our team sometimes clicking into gear and it's really not there.

For us to then suspend our expectations until the summer as if something magical will transform us. Amorim's had enough time to train the players. His combined training time since he took over will be greater than the time he gets with his players pre-season. If our players haven't got it now then they won't get it then.

The only other factor is new signings but new signings into a highly dysfunctional team normally results in the new "star" players reverting to the levels as the rest of the team, NOT the other way around.

 

[Camilo]

Agree. This season was always going to be a write off. Lots of work to be done in the summer.

That said, let’s hope we can pull something off in Europe.

What work!? And why aren't they doing this work now if the season is such a write off? The summer isn't some magical time.

I don't think it'll make any difference. They'll work on a few shapes and ideas, start well then all the other teams will work us out and that'll be that.

Apart from changing the formation I see no change in energy or impetus in the players. It all seems too passive. His football is too passive for the league.

 

[HTG]

You talk like this isn't a normal thing for clubs to do? I'd get this talk more if he'd had a summer and transfer windows where he got a real chance to make an impression, but he hasn't even had that. One winter window, that's it.

So many want a rebuild but so few have the stomach for it unless it's instantly successful.

Do you have examples for clubs of a similar size going through similar periods for a successful rebuild? Because I don’t know any from the top of my head.
This is why I struggle with this situation. I get a lot of arguments pro Amorim. The squad really isn’t good and it does need a clean up. He didn’t have a lot of time to prepare, as he joined in the season and so on. All these arguments are certainly true.
But the thing I’m lacking are positive signals. I’ve said that before when he publicly criticised guys like Rashford. It’s fine to do that, it’s obviously the truth, but at some point criticism alone won’t do anything and he’d have to offer his players something positive, some sort of vision to go forward with. And I still don’t see that.
And that’s my general issue with this situation. You are bad. Almost comically bad. For months now. And the results aren’t improving at all.
And that would be worrying me as a fan. Because accepting struggles during a rebuild is one thing. But accepting performances on par with a relegation team seems to go too far for me. Because that’s dangerous territory.
How do you know Amorim will eventually right the ship? Where does the confidence come from? Because I’ve seen the very same pattern on this forum before. A manager joins, he’s universally backed and defended by the fans, they want to give him time and slowly but steadily, everything gets worse. The next manager joins, he’s backed and defended and everything, but you still get worse.

I fail to see what Amorim is doing, that would instil the confidence To believe things will eventually improve. I understand and acknowledge all the arguments in his defense. But I fail to see arguments that aren’t in his defense, but are actually a positive aspect of his. I’m reading all these excuses, but there aren’t any positives to „counter“ those. And I feel if all that can be said to defend a manager are arguments regarding the circumstances within the club, but nothing that points to his achievements, that’s a dire situation.
I’m not saying he will fail. I don’t watch you guys this much. But the times I tune it, you look really bad. And reading the discussions on here, it’s the same pattern as with ETH, OGS and the rest.

 

[Redstain]

All I will say is the constant manager riders have been proven wrong every single time.

Amorim will not turn this around, just as EtH didn’t, like Ole and Mourinho and LVG before him. His tenure is worst than moyes and ragnick.

His system is poor and his stubbornness is worse. If he could have trained the team effectively if he came in the summer, then there was no reason to throw away this season as he has done.

He doesn’t know what to do. He is a 1 trick pony and his trick has failed spectacularly, and will do so next season as well. It’s as obvious as was the case with eth in the summer.

I agree but United do have this persistence of hiring below par (hindsight) and unproven managers. Erik, Ole, LVG, Amorim and Ragnick having not managed in a top three league competitively in Europe during a recent period close to their tenures.

Neither perhaps aside LVG had the experience to know how to bounce back after a rut / bad run of results. Now United have Amorim who's essentially having to learn on the job, no different to how Rasmus is out of sorts given the responsibility he's tasked with at a young age with not enough talent to make up for the scale of the role, Amorim is the same.

He can't draw from experience and his backroom staff are identically as befuddled given their average ages. There's no experience for him to rely upon from himself or his staff and fans are once again following the same rhetoric that signing players changes the dynamic. Dorgu is addition number 1 and nothings changed. Just wait until it's 5-6 additions with the same trajectory and the excuses will come to surface again.

Furthermore, I'm not stating that Dorgu is a bad player but there's a 50 / 50 basis of improvement needed where half of that is made up by the manager and the other half is composed of the squads quality. What fans are doing is putting 100% of improvement on the basis of squad quality and this is nonsensical, a good team can fail dependant on who's leading them. And I have an issue with "good" because it's subjective. Everton were rubbish under Dyche but are "good" under Moyes. Once again same players different manager changes the entire perception. Even when Ruud was in charge the perception at the time was different compared to anything else this season, United amassed decent back to back results, something Amorim has failed to replicate.

 

[The Mitcher]

If he's backed he'll be a success. Honestly lads, just exercise some patience.

You have literally nothing to go on but blind faith. If he can't even improve results and performances with what he's got, then how will getting him a whole new squad be any guarantee of success?

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Hey Chief, apart from the formation on paper, there's a lot that goes into team chemistry and dynamics. Especially when in transition, Ten Hag used a standard 4231 however we still got lost in midfield so it's more about the coaching that doesn't get represented on the team sheet. Like why should Garnacho play from the right when we know he's best suited to the left? His goal yesterday was actually with his LEFT FOOT, this is enough reason to prove he should be cutting in from the left. Also, remember Inter Milan plays 2 strikers, even Atalanta and co also play 2 strikers in a dynamic formation. The EPL is the hardest, most demanding, high intensity league in the world. Managers definitely get found out in the EPL... I dare say inter Milan can't run the EPL ragged with that formation for long, it's just so unbalanced. Conte won the league with a 352 but he couldn't replicate it for long pal. Formation isn't everything, but a balanced formation is so so important. I can't wait to see Manchester United back, I'm weary already. I'm 37 and I only know the glory days, i don't want to experience anything pre-Fergie please. Our next manager should be one with proven EPL experience, might even be mid table but with quality EPL experience please.

Firsrt. My argument isn't remotely "formation is everything". My argument rather is 3 fold:

1. The club uprooted its football mid season because the side we built for it were struggling. Any assumption it would get better quickly is over extravagant.

2. The club not only switched football direction. We switched formation in mid season with a squad of which 95% have NEVER operated in the formation. With nigh zero significant reinforcement in January. That means there is a steep chasm of a knowledge gap to over come in terms of tactical, positional and personnel. Chiefly for the players. Second for the managers as he gets to know who he can procede to next season with. With minimal training round time. This is why we have zero balance in our formation most times

3. We simply don't have all the playing personnel necessary to make thesw changes work. Without a full summer recruitment and pre season. One can logically claim to know how this project can pan out in next 6-7 months.


Now as regards Garnacho. In this formation in particular he has consistently proven overly selfish and overly wasteful when stationed on the left cutting in on his favored right. As a result both his goals and assist have ranked when stationed there. Leading to many a fan 'bemoaning his (alleged ) lack of footballing IQ)

But on the right, its largely chalk and cheese. Not only have his assists and chances created increased stationed there. So has his deciaion making. Yesterday he scored from few attempts because he was more choosy with when to shoot. Yet it was even with a weaker foot. There is " a method to the madness" so to speak. In this formation in particular he will develop far better on the right. Able to switch inside to out with the wingback and unlike on the left he can't ignore the player.

 

[Marwood]

I want nothing more than for him to be a massive success here, but my eyes are not deceiving me. This is diabolical. It is worse than anything I’ve seen post Fergie.

The trouble is on here if you don’t accept failure and mediocrity from the manager then you get labelled a hater.

That was also the case when he took over though right?

 

[HTG]

That was also the case when he took over though right?

Judging by the results, it’s gotten worse since then.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Amorim has ripped out the system for an entirely new one and saw our squad options weakened in January.

I was very much pissed off with him a couple months back and held him to account on performances, but if we do the same now you'd realise our actual in game performances have generally improved. We can now see players understand their roles but there's a clear problem with quality.

Yesterday we looked fine for the entire first half and we fielded Amass, Lindelof and Eriksen. Even then the game didn't go away from us until individual mistakes came into play. It wasn't a system or tactical issue.

Said it in the other thread but you were going to have games like this during this season with him.

Newcastle are a club that are much further along in their development cycle with this manager and their new owners than you are with Amorim and your new owners. They are well drilled and well set up and crucially, they have the personnel in the squad and first 11 that suit the style of the manager and the way they want to play.

When I have caught your games recently, it looked like the side was reflecting his style more and you were getting used to it and clicking, but that's with the same personnel that were originally majorly struggling with it, of which some aren't good enough generally or suited to it. It was known before Amorim that the squad needed major surgery. It's known with Amorim.

I am pretty confident he will do much better next season with a strong transfer window behind him and with a summer where he can implement his ideas with minimal pressure.

Agree with these posts.

Can understand some fans being worried. But think performance wise we got better now comparing to December/January. It’s not enough as we’re still dropping lots of points and recent defeats (Forest and Newcastle) made it all even more frustrating. It’s understandable.

Amorim will probably be fine in terms of his position but no doubt Thursday and Lyon is a big game. We need a performance there and not only by players but by the fans as well.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

You cling onto the success of a handful of teams like it proves your point when in fact it does the opposite, sure there are a handful of teams who make it work in a big way so why don't other teams look at playing it football is largely a copy cat game but hardly any other teams copy this formation why?

Rather its because football is a "copy cats game" most coaches reach for low hanging fruit. That is why most teams are not successful. That is why the vast majority of mediocre teams aren't back 3 formation teams. For anyone to think formation most used "is best" is just classic fallacious reasoning. It should be rather apparent that the fact that a handful of folks going against the grain have had spectacular success as compared to everyone "copying the norm". Should be proof positive it can actually work if attempted properly.

Also Chelsea won the league a decade ago trying to make that sound like something is clutching, you would be more pertinent to look at Tuchel winning the champions league with it but then he was pilloried on here for being too defensive which this formation is by and large

There is literally nothing "clutching " about stating the fact 3-4-3 is the ONLY formation to beat Klopp and Pep to the EPL title in the same season. In over a decade.

Chelsea also won the ucl with the formation in a season they had struggled domestically before the switch occured. So much for it "not working at elite level". As for folks who pilloried it as " defensive". Tuchel has never been known to be an overtly offensive coach. So nothing to see there.

 

[Marwood]

You have literally nothing to go on but blind faith. If he can't even improve results and performances with what he's got, then how will getting him a whole new squad be any guarantee of success?

Because that's generally how you improve a bad team. You go and buy better players.

It's not a guarantee of winning the top trophies but it'll be a success in terms of making the team much better.

 

[The Mitcher]

Because that's generally how you improve a bad team. You go and buy better players.

It's not a guarantee of winning the top trophies but it'll be a success in terms of making the team much better.

Moyes improved Everton with zero signings.

 

[Reds Under The Bed]

One thing that struck me between the two clubs is that Howe took a struggling Newcastle and almost made an immediate improvement, turning them from also rans into a serious side with realistic aspirations of silverware - granted he was given a lot of money but it still was used wisely. Contrast that to us, we seem to be in freefall right now only amplifying the problems that got Ten Hag sacked.

 

[Licha-Vidic]

What work!? And why aren't they doing this work now if the season is such a write off? The summer isn't some magical time.

I don't think it'll make any difference. They'll work on a few shapes and ideas, start well then all the other teams will work us out and that'll be that.

Apart from changing the formation I see no change in energy or impetus in the players. It all seems too passive. His football is too passive for the league.

I mean, why not do what he will do on the summer now..
Some fans are behaving like..

If you see red flags while dating ( playing poorly now) it will be cured when you get married in 6 months ( summer will fix things)

We signed Dorgu, what has really changed? We sign 4 more Dorgu then what next.

 

[SoCross]

What on earth can any manager do about some of the goals conceded yesterday - Dalot being breezed past, Maz slipping and giving the ball away, Altay having a shocker.

I’m firmly behind Ruben until he shows us what he can do with some backing in a transfer window. I see improvement in how we play as a whole but these individual mistakes have plagued us since ETH.

 

[Licha-Vidic]

Because that's generally how you improve a bad team. You go and buy better players.

It's not a guarantee of winning the top trophies but it'll be a success in terms of making the team much better.

How did ETH improve our team after buying "better players than Martial, Lingard, Pereira, Baily, Fred etc

 

[HTG]

Because that's generally how you improve a bad team. You go and buy better players.

It's not a guarantee of winning the top trophies but it'll be a success in terms of making the team much better.

It’s also about working with the players you already have at your disposal. You have to find ways to improve those. Because otherwise, you won’t be given the time to get all those players who fit your ideas the best.

 

[Licha-Vidic]

What on earth can any manager do about some of the goals conceded yesterday - Dalot being breezed past, Maz slipping and giving the ball away, Altay having a shocker.

I’m firmly behind Ruben until he shows us what he can do with some backing in a transfer window. I see improvement in how we play as a whole but these individual mistakes have plagued us since ETH.

Then Amorim has no effect.
He can't make our attack score. Squad is poor
Can't make our defence solid. Dalot,Maz are poor. Onana is gash.

Then what does Amorim do then? Why do we pay him. Better to operate without a manager.

Now we are beaten Squad is poor.
We sign better players , we win, Amorim is super man, why not say Squad is superior that time when we will win with better players.

It can't be when we lose it's on players, then we sign better players we win its AMORIM brilliance and not on those new players

 

[Acquire Me]

Then Amorim has no effect.
He can't make our attack score. Squad is poor
Can't make our defence solid. Dalot,Maz are poor. Onana is gash.

Then what does Amorim do then? Why do we pay him. Better to operate without a manager.

Now we are beaten Squad is poor.
We sign better players , we win, Amorim is super man, why not say Squad is superior that time when we will win with better players.

It can't be when we lose it's on players, then we sign better players we win its AMORIM brilliance and not on those new players

I tell you one thing, regardless of Amorim or any manager taking over, it will be new players making us win matches on a regular basis again. Make no mistake about that.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Then Amorim has no effect.
He can't make our attack score. Squad is poor
Can't make our defence solid. Dalot,Maz are poor. Onana is gash.

Then what does Amorim do then? Why do we pay him. Better to operate without a manager.

Now we are beaten Squad is poor.
We sign better players , we win, Amorim is super man, why not say Squad is superior that time when we will win with better players.

It can't be when we lose it's on players, then we sign better players we win its AMORIM brilliance and not on those new players

Our defence has been more solid actually. Wouldn’t say that about yesterday and game vs Lyon but in plenty of games before that it was more solid. That’s at least clear from watching our games.