Unless we win the Europa he's going to have to have us hit the ground running next season.
A bad start and he'll be gone very early. Earlier than ETH went this season.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Unless we win the Europa he's going to have to have us hit the ground running next season.
A bad start and he'll be gone very early. Earlier than ETH went this season.
Only reason why I say INEOS won't get blamed is because the winter window was a shambles, they let attackers go and didn't get in loans to even give us a better fighting chance for Europa league. Yes I understand financially we aren't well off but to save money for letting players go on loan should've brought in some players on loan. Yet this doesn't get mention here anymore.
Wow that's some take
What does that have anything to do with my comment about INEOS needing to have a good summer or else fans will turn against them?
Yeah, United were better but it's another loss and he has to win the EL to have any credit for next season.
I don't think he will win it, and I don't see what the big plan is either.
I don't think he will win it, and I don't see what the big plan is either.
The results would look vastly different if we even had a striker who’s capable of scoring 10 goals in the league.
The team is starting to cut out on the brainfarts on defense which costed us games early on in his stint and now our performances have been on the upwards trend apart from being useless at scoring.
Not a free hit, I would just write it off the same way I wrote this season off because the lack of goalscorers was ridiculously obvious.
Genuinely don't know how anyone can blame Amorim today.We Controlled the game but as usual any chances we get we dont take and a great free kick which was their only 'chance' results in another loss.We desperately need quality upfront, Hojlund isn't upto it, whether he ever will be for us frankly doesn't matter, he needs to be upgraded he hasn't shown enough to be the main striker.
If anything games like today strengthens my backing of Amorim,he has been dealt a shocking hand from the previous manager.
If anything games like today strengthens my backing of Amorim,he has been dealt a shocking hand from the previous manager.
Totally true mate. As nice a guy he is, and we all wanted it to work because he comes across so well, but he just isn’t good enough - not on any footballing metric.
I don’t know a single fan of another club worried that Amorim will turn United around. I work with a Leeds fan who is worried he will be sacked before Leeds play them next season. That’s how shite he is viewed elsewhere.
Whereas the Caf thinks he’s a CF away from winning the league. Comfortably worse than ETH who was afforded much less love on here.
Who gives a feck. You can move along and support whatever team he goes to.
I think bar RWB every other player signed this summer should be guaranteed to be able to fit into a 433/4231 later down the line, and if we start bad next season get rid,
I feel like saying if we don’t win the Europa get rid in the summer but if we’re being fair the squad is hopeless
I feel like saying if we don’t win the Europa get rid in the summer but if we’re being fair the squad is hopeless
'Rome wasn't built in a day...' or something rinse repeat for every manager for a year until it becomes too much and then they 'should be sacked'
Aside from maybe that free kick never happens, our non existent midfield gave Wolves the extra motivation to keep going. It's liberating playing against guys that don't know how to mark or defend.
But when are the semis?
Better to get there with a winning mentality and some victories on our back.
The squad that ETH built is unbelievably shit and he's been unlucky but the unfortunate reality is that he hasn't shown enough. I'm at the point where I would keep him for next season but wouldn't complain if he was sacked before that. Today might not be the time to complain but we're simply losing too many games. He said it himself at the start he will need to earn time. Winning the EL might be it but it would sort of be yet another Ten Hag situation. Those couple of games should not determine if we stick with a manager for a long term plan or not.
But good managers are not adaptable?
Amorim doesn't need to adapt?As good as Amorim is or as bad as he is, Amorim has to change and adapt. If he cant he will be sacked.
He needs humility and courage to change how he sees the game. It doesn't work like that in EPL.
I am just reffering that majority of players that left us (not Sancho) are comfortably starters and best players of their team. But yea, we buy some striker and think that it will work. I saw how many chances we created for our striker after Hojlund was subbed off
Sacking him now would make us look rash. He needs a summer transfer window (annoying I am spouting the same mantra as everyone else) and signs of improvement by December 2025.
If results have not improved by 2025 OR performances then his position needs to be reviewed.
I am concerned with Amorim though. At the moment he's able to use the necessity of a rebuild as a bulletproof vest but it's starting to have echoes of ETH's "..we need to keep with the process...".
I can quite happily stomach losing matches and ending up in the bottom half of the table during our rebuild phase but......there HAS to be signs of improvement in our playing style otherwise we're looking at overhauling the entire first 11 and a good slice of our squad too.
It bothers me that I am relying on some transformational "big bang" event after the summer transfer window which completely changes the quality of our performances.
Yeah my expectations would be very low if we fail to sign a goalscorer again. At that point, the people in the new "structure" running the footballing operations would all need to be sacked.
It's a fair point, but really and truly we'd only have one way to play which is to sit deep and play on the counter, but we don't really have much pace for it to work and in the long run we'd be stuck with a lot of the same squad.But good managers are not adaptable?
As good as Amorim is or as bad as he is, Amorim has to change and adapt. If he cant he will be sacked.
He needs humility and courage to change how he sees the game. It doesn't work like that in EPL.
If we finish 17th and dont win the Europa League, I dont see how from a PR stance he keeps his job. I get we need to rebuild and all that, but what a fecking embarrassment that would be.
Not his fault our attack sucks.
Rashford didn’t give a feck so loaned out
Sancho didn’t give a feck so loaned out
Antony not good enough so loaned out
Amad gets injured despite being the best attacker under him (and ETH strangely not rating him)
Zirkzee starts looking good then gets injured
Mount spends most of the season injured
Hojlund barely Premier League quality
A lot of it falls on ETH and Murtough and their poor judgment and deal making.
Rashford didn’t give a feck so loaned out
Sancho didn’t give a feck so loaned out
Antony not good enough so loaned out
Amad gets injured despite being the best attacker under him (and ETH strangely not rating him)
Zirkzee starts looking good then gets injured
Mount spends most of the season injured
Hojlund barely Premier League quality
A lot of it falls on ETH and Murtough and their poor judgment and deal making.
Would be madness to sack him and not give him another year. Complete bobbins. Can’t believe it would even be suggested.
Surely the logic behind this is off. How many people bother to post on an online forum during a game?
People are justified to feel concerned about this manager especially given his overall record since he's been here, being in the EL semis is not a guarantee of anything, we could very well get beaten over two legs by Bilbao or by Spurs - who themselves have beaten us thrice this season.
I’m not sure what you want from him considering our performances have actually improved apart from our striker being absolutely useless.But good managers are not adaptable?
As good as Amorim is or as bad as he is, Amorim has to change and adapt. If he cant he will be sacked.
He needs humility and courage to change how he sees the game. It doesn't work like that in EPL.
Changing the tactics isn’t going to make Hojlund start scoring goals overnight.
So many in here against the manager. Truly bizarre.
What makes you think Hojlund is so good?
ETH did manage two cups heh. So the squad wasn't shit, in fact players like Ugarte, Mazraoui, DeLigt, Yoro et al have been very good. Obviously the money spent on Hojlund, Zirkzee, and Mount could've been spent better. Let's remember, ETH's idea of a striker was Weghorst, so its not suprising Amorim has been made to suffer with an obvious lack of quality from what ETH left him at #9.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’ve no doubt Amorim is a good coach but his blatant refusal to change things tactically are costing us and for me it’s either win Europa and get into the CL or bust for him as he’s had long enough to at the very least improve what we have in the squad.
There’s no doubt Hojlund isn’t good enough but the lack of anyone putting the ball in the box each game because of how narrow we always are and an obvious insistence to pass the ball into the goal is horribly frustrating, Amass in the first half was the first player I’ve seen in months consistently put the ball into the box.
If we’re to continue playing with 3 at the back then it simply has to be with two wide players supporting a central striker and the wing backs providing a variety of options between overlapping or coming inside, Amad plus one out wide with Bruno as an orchestrator in midfield will be much more natural if we have to play 3 at the back.
On Thursday it was praise for Amorim turning it around so today much like with multiple other games this season it has to be the opposite, it can’t be praise for Amorim and his tactics when we win then it’s on the players when we lose and look terrible in doing so.
If I’m honest I’ve not seen much different other than how we perform against the big teams than how things were under ETH as we’re still losing most weeks to teams we should be beating when you compare the squads, if we don’t win Europa then Amorim is gone by Christmas at the latest I think.
There’s no doubt Hojlund isn’t good enough but the lack of anyone putting the ball in the box each game because of how narrow we always are and an obvious insistence to pass the ball into the goal is horribly frustrating, Amass in the first half was the first player I’ve seen in months consistently put the ball into the box.
If we’re to continue playing with 3 at the back then it simply has to be with two wide players supporting a central striker and the wing backs providing a variety of options between overlapping or coming inside, Amad plus one out wide with Bruno as an orchestrator in midfield will be much more natural if we have to play 3 at the back.
On Thursday it was praise for Amorim turning it around so today much like with multiple other games this season it has to be the opposite, it can’t be praise for Amorim and his tactics when we win then it’s on the players when we lose and look terrible in doing so.
If I’m honest I’ve not seen much different other than how we perform against the big teams than how things were under ETH as we’re still losing most weeks to teams we should be beating when you compare the squads, if we don’t win Europa then Amorim is gone by Christmas at the latest I think.
Our performances havent improved though, if anything they have got worse because before he came in we wernt losing 50% of our games or being outplayed at home teams like the worst Southampton team of all time.
Let's not get it twisted even with Zirkzee performing okay recently he's signing was bad. We could have recruited a better player instead of him which would have helped us more. That's on INEOS.
INEOS recruited Dorgu and Zirkzee, I'm worried for this summer
Ruben post match presser.
"If you don't score goals in this league, its impossible to win games"
Says it all.
"If you don't score goals in this league, its impossible to win games"
Says it all.
It is not a single game or a couple of games. It is the same poor performances bring serwed since he arrived. Where is the progress? What is he exactly improving? We seem a bit more solid than under ETH but he was a terrible manager. Our attacking play is as bad as it ever was. If he needs 15 top players to win games then anyone can be manager.
Ideally, that would be the case. But I think we've tired so much in the second half of matches, and some players have played almost every minute. I can't remember the stat, but I think over the course of maybe 3-4-5 years we're the team in Europe that's had the least amount of rest overall. We've also had a very extreme season with little continuity, same as last season really. So I don't put that much stock in say Bournemouth next Sunday, even though I expect Amorim to go full strength. I'd just rest every single player who isn't at least 90-95% fit and tailor it to giving the adequate minutes to those that might make the Bilbao match like de Ligt, Heaven, and of course Mainoo and Mount.
The issue is, we need to win games. How comes when the game is lost and tactics are over the window, we start to play well.
When we chase games through instincts, we usually get something but ordinarily when playing through tactics we usually play very badly.
Amorim needs to find a way of winning games.
His only 'known' way is not working. When will he accepts his methods are not working in EPL?
Say for arguments sake... we sign 5 more Dorgu. We continue losing. Amorim persists with his methods what next?
Will board sack him to change how we play wholly or Amorim will change his ways by himself?
Because, it does look Amorim will not change, it is for the board to change our way by sacking him.
So where is that red line? Because the board can not operate through blind faith ( ETH is a prime example of that mistake)
So what's his solution? If he can't develop players he must sign new ones within his budget. Will the same people who bought Höjlund and Zirkzee identify our next striker?
Not much in the immediacy. IIRC O’Neil and Lopetegui favoured 451 variations in their time for the most part. Yes Semedo and Ait Nouri played as wing backs under Santo. But he left a while ago. It’s also a different team to the one under Nuno. They’ve lost several key first team players over the last two seasons too.
What a genius. Maybe he needs to go to a league where he can win without scoring goals eheh
Or build a club around a striker who actually scores enough goals to win games.
It’s not common sense if you see the horrible football we’re playing. Was it common sense when renewing ten Hag’s contract?
Sure but it doesn't justify why we are losing so many games.
We're not defensively great, don't attack great, don't press great, don't play out from the back great, don't midfield great rinse repeat. Nothing is actually 'objectively' good. Just a bunch of individual performances in somewhat of a settled but basic formation with most of the time 5 defenders and two midfielders in front of them.
Blame all the player for their performances but Amorim is absolutely not making the most or near what we should be seeing.