Joe Rogan

Joe Rogan mostly just proves not all points of view warrant or deserve a podium to be discussed at length on.

Denying the holocaust is not an interesting take. Neither is misrepresenting a polio related incident that has nothing to do with the veracity of modern vaccines. Especially misinformation of the medical kind is extremely dangerous for society as a whole. The only debate there should be on these antivax cnuts should be about ways of prosecuting them for the danger they are. As this is obviously a difficult thing to do without a risk of abuse by a malicious government.

Feck Joe Rogan and his big dumb face for his facilitation of this.
 
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tomaldinho1 said:
How are you judging that though? No offence but you’re somewhat proving the point of dismissing everything because it comes from a certain source.

Forget this woman and just look at something less contentious, like the mushroom guy who regularly goes on. How are you judging the credibility without watching the episodes?
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This reverses the argument. The point is that Rogan is known to have absolute idiots on the show that spread nonsense and outright lies. Knowing that, and knowing that he virtually never interjects, corrects, or looks for commonly held consensuses - why would you listen to Rogan at all? There are thousands upon thousands of podcasts on virtually every conceivable topic. If you're interest in whatever topic is covered by Rogan, there will likely always be a reputable podcast that covers it infinitely better. Or if you like Magnus Carlsen, there must be a million interviews with him.

All in all, if you're looking for real information on things, it's just a poor choice to listen to Rogan. Just like you shouldn't read the New York Post or Daily Mail for reliable news coverage. (I know many people do anyway, but popularity is not the point here ) If you somehow just love Rogan's style, then sure; but it's a terrible use of your time if you're looking for real information. You'd basically have to subsequently study each topic to find out what was true, cause you can never know while listening.

And that's not really a question if free speech. It's rather a question of your (as in: you) rationality in this discussion. Yes, Rogan has a right to do what he does. It's like the people on Speakers' Corner in Hyde Park; no-one says they should be banned from speaking. But the content is terribly unreliable. You have each hour of your life only once. Why would you spend any of it on him?
 
I listen to the occasional rogan podcast. I like the more weird people he has on and wacky but interesting takes, the engineer guy who thinks the pyramids could have been power plants, the American who had all the bones in his garden, the obvious Hancock, I’ve listened to ex military guy going on about remote viewing, some guy on about the world being simulation, it breaks up my long work drives and it’s a change from listening to the overlap. I don’t really know many podcasts and rogan is easy to find interesting people to listen to I wouldn’t otherwise know where to find.
Quite shocked how hated he is on here but i don’t listen to any political podcasts from him so maybe that’s why.
 
Also, case in point about people being unable to discern independently what's right or wrong in Rogan interviews:
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For example, the polio backstory is all true - it's all on PubMed. How many people saw a headline and reacted to that without actually listening themselves?
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You have all info you need to simply search? Got to take some initiative. PubMed + polio and you’ll see cutter incident for example and do some reading.
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As far as I can tell: you listened to the podcast, did some checking online and thought this was true. But per @Wibble's post, this is an old incident that doesn't hold any relevancy to current vaccine science and practices. It would be an interesting episode on the history of vaccines and stumbles in scientific progress - but it doesn't seem like it was presented as such or that it was interpreted as such by you.

So again: why spend your time on that? You appear to have come out of that show worse than you were.

The Cutter Incident is summarized here btw: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories

(And if you meant something else, then you really should have clarified that by now.)
 
Zlatan 7 said:
I listen to the occasional rogan podcast. I like the more weird people he has on and wacky but interesting takes, the engineer guy who thinks the pyramids could have been power plants, the American who had all the bones in his garden, the obvious Hancock, I’ve listened to ex military guy going on about remote viewing, some guy on about the world being simulation, it breaks up my long work drives and it’s a change from listening to the overlap. I don’t really know many podcasts and rogan is easy to find interesting people to listen to I wouldn’t otherwise know where to find.
Quite shocked how hated he is on here but i don’t listen to any political podcasts from him so maybe that’s why.
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I don't think anyone on here would have an issue with that approach. The issue is that he has many millions of listeners that take his word (or those of his guests) for gospel - including the political ones and the ones that you describe as wacky. That gives him huge influence while the quality of the content doesn't deserve that. I think people are right to be concerned about that - similar to how people are concerned (and frustrated, and angry) about the influence that something like the Daily Mail has in the UK.
 
@tomaldinho1 , there is no winning here brother. I wasted my time few years ago. Force is strong on RedCafe/Reddit and it is best to disengage and save sanity.

I will just say that Joe Rogan organically captured huge audience through unedited long duration content. It is getting redundant and boring for past few years, which is understandable. Here and there an amazing guest shows up where Joe is silent and guest speaks. Those are best episodes.

Freedom of speech comes with weaknesses, and that is that non-experts can have wrong opinions. I am not sure why such concern. If those of us who listen to Joe Rogan are stupid enough to take everything at face value and follow advice from discredited and dangerous doctors/scientists, we will just die off so well-educated, wise, objective RedCafe crowd can flourish without us proles interfering.
 
ExoduS said:
@tomaldinho1 , there is no winning here brother. I wasted my time few years ago. Force is strong on RedCafe/Reddit and it is best to disengage and save sanity.

I will just say that Joe Rogan organically captured huge audience through unedited long duration content. It is getting redundant and boring for past few years, which is understandable. Here and there an amazing guest shows up where Joe is silent and guest speaks. Those are best episodes.

Freedom of speech comes with weaknesses, and that is that non-experts can have wrong opinions. I am not sure why such concern. If those of us who listen to Joe Rogan are stupid enough to take everything at face value and follow advice from discredited and dangerous doctors/scientists, we will just die off so well-educated, wise, objective RedCafe crowd can flourish without us proles interfering.
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you don't understand the concern in people dying from watching joe rogan?

yeah you're right there's no winning with that point of view
 
Browsing through Rogan's guests over the past six months, its a pretty random combination of comedians, actors, directors, fitness people, MMA fighters, tech people (Musk, Zuckerberg etc), Trump/Vance (Harris couldn't make it apparently) from election time.

Seeing all the names, I don't recognize about half of those listed.
 
ExoduS said:
Freedom of speech comes with weaknesses, and that is that non-experts can have wrong opinions. I am not sure why such concern. If those of us who listen to Joe Rogan are stupid enough to take everything at face value and follow advice from discredited and dangerous doctors/scientists, we will just die off so well-educated, wise, objective RedCafe crowd can flourish without us proles interfering.
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The 'misinformation can't do any harm' defence. It's an interesting angle.
 
Tarrou said:
you don't understand the concern in people dying from watching joe rogan?

yeah you're right there's no winning with that point of view
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Nope, I think it is a great thing. Should improve the viewership ratio and help podcasters that are behind him in views. ;) How is he still at the top, seems he has the luxury of sacrificing his viewers. Beautiful position to be in as most new podcasters are fighting for every view.
 
ExoduS said:
Nope, I think it is a great thing. Should improve the viewership ratio and help podcasters that are behind him in views. ;) How is he still at the top, seems he has the luxury of sacrificing his viewers. Beautiful position to be in as most new podcasters are fighting for every view.
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Grow up.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
How are you judging that though? No offence but you’re somewhat proving the point of dismissing everything because it comes from a certain source.

Forget this woman and just look at something less contentious, like the mushroom guy who regularly goes on. How are you judging the credibility without watching the episodes?
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The mushroom guy is renowned for spouting unsupported bollocks.

And even if the occasional guest isn't a total loon so what? The Sun probably occasionally publishes something correct but I won't read it or rely on it for information.

The far right, be it Fox News or Rogan or whoever are part of the propaganda machine that has resulted in Trump 2.0, and as such are enemies of the free world. Equating reading The Guardian or listening to Fox News in the interest of "balance" is how we have got where we are.
 
ExoduS said:
Nope, I think it is a great thing. Should improve the viewership ratio and help podcasters that are behind him in views. ;) How is he still at the top, seems he has the luxury of sacrificing his viewers. Beautiful position to be in as most new podcasters are fighting for every view.
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that just makes me think you're trolling or childish, because you're clearly not stupid

people are in here debating the potential problems society faces with misinformation, many of which are unfolding before our eyes in the most awful of circumstances for people, causing pain and suffering and ruined lives

and you're gleeful about the worst case scenario happening which is basically millions of innocent and vulnerable people being exploited and suffering
 
I mean imagine this: there is a dude who became famous for talking about a sport that’s nothing else but the dumbest people imaginable beating each other up.
This dude has absolutely no formal education, no scientific background, no academic background to speak of.
He surrounds himself with similar people. They started a podcast that has absolutely no journalistic standards, academic standards or scientific standards.
The guests, in many cases, are lunatics, propagandists or simply grifters. They get to broadcast their disinformation without any fact checking or repercussions, if it should turn out they were lying.

And then there are people genuinely listening to this shit, genuinely believing this is a good source for news or education and spending their time defending him. And they think they are critical thinkers. :lol:

Every person listening to this man is no different then those who listen to Fox News or read the Daily Mail. They are gullible, ignorant and anti intellectual. And as they are easily influenced, they are dangerous. They are so dangerous, they aren’t even seeing a problem in parents having their children die, as a consequence of this disinformation. They aren’t seeing a problem with this podcast serving as gateway to further right wing propaganda. They are brainwashed and incapable of critical thought.
They ask to be taken seriously, to be treated like serious people who educate themselves before speaking. Who are capable of admitting when they were wrong. All while demanding there be no consequences whatsoever for listening to this podcast. They ask not to be made fun of for doing so. Basically they ask to do what they want without consequences. Because their idol told them that this is a valid way to go about one’s life. They are basically asking to be treated like babies, but also to be treated like serious adults.

Joe Rogan is a perfect microcosm that shows incredibly well how fundamentally broken American media is, how it caused so many people to be incapable of navigating this never ending stream of shit-media in order to find anything remotely reliable and the damage this creates. The man is highly dangerous, shouldn’t be underestimated and the consequences of his actions shouldn’t be ignored. He’s a horrible human being and should be stopped as soon as possible.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
How are you judging that though? No offence but you’re somewhat proving the point of dismissing everything because it comes from a certain source.

Forget this woman and just look at something less contentious, like the mushroom guy who regularly goes on. How are you judging the credibility without watching the episodes?
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I'll go with "Because I'm not a total moron".
 
ExoduS said:
Nope, I think it is a great thing. Should improve the viewership ratio and help podcasters that are behind him in views. ;) How is he still at the top, seems he has the luxury of sacrificing his viewers. Beautiful position to be in as most new podcasters are fighting for every view.
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To be clear, you don't understand why people might be concerned that the world's most popular podcast is facilitating misinformation ?
 
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Why? Being an adult is effing annoying.
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You pretend this is a joke. But we all know that deep down, this is nothing but the naked truth. This is your mindset and therefor the reason why you are even capable of listening to this shit. You refuse to grow up. To engage with the complexities of the world. So you turned to a snake oil salesman, who presents you with comforting lies.
Babies asking to be treated seriously, but without consequences.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
I listen to the occasional rogan podcast. I like the more weird people he has on and wacky but interesting takes, the engineer guy who thinks the pyramids could have been power plants, the American who had all the bones in his garden, the obvious Hancock, I’ve listened to ex military guy going on about remote viewing, some guy on about the world being simulation, it breaks up my long work drives and it’s a change from listening to the overlap. I don’t really know many podcasts and rogan is easy to find interesting people to listen to I wouldn’t otherwise know where to find.
Quite shocked how hated he is on here but i don’t listen to any political podcasts from him so maybe that’s why.
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Why would you give such utter nonsense oxygen?
 
HTG said:
Joe Rogan is a perfect microcosm that shows incredibly well how fundamentally broken American media is, how it caused so many people to be incapable of navigating this never ending stream of shit-media in order to find anything remotely reliable and the damage this creates. The man is highly dangerous, shouldn’t be underestimated and the consequences of his actions shouldn’t be ignored. He’s a horrible human being and should be stopped as soon as possible.
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I wouldn't restrict to American media. I think Rogan is more generally (and also more specifically, ha) a key example to how unrestrained social media are not a benefit to the (western) world anymore. The misinformation networks on there are now causing serious harm.

(I'm singling out 'western', cause I know social media can also be a source of connection and real information in autocratic countries elsewhere. That obviously deserves more nuance and consideration, but I suppose that might be a topic of another thread.)
 
Cheimoon said:
I wouldn't restrict to American media. I think Rogan is more generally (and also more specifically, ha) a key example to how unrestrained social media are not a benefit to the (western) world anymore. The misinformation networks on there are now causing serious harm.

(I'm singling out 'western', cause I know social media can also be a source of connection and real information in autocratic countries elsewhere. That obviously deserves more nuance and consideration, but I suppose that might be a topic of another thread.)
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The reality about social media and podcasts is they have replaced conventional mainstream news to a large extent. Popular podcasts routinely get more views than evening news casts, and newspapers have been largely replaced by tweets in terms of how information is packaged for audiences with increasingly shorter attention spans.

All of this obviously helps non-traditional politicians since Trump wouldn't have won without the help of Twitter in 2016 and likewise without the help of a pro-Trump podcast and social media ecosystem in 2024.

People are just going to have to get used to this new norm and find better ways to leverage it to their advantage.
 
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Cheimoon said:
I wouldn't restrict to American media. I think Rogan is more generally (and also more specifically, ha) a key example to how unrestrained social media are not a benefit to the (western) world anymore. The misinformation networks on there are now causing serious harm.

(I'm singling out 'western', cause I know social media can also be a source of connection and real information in autocratic countries elsewhere. That obviously deserves more nuance and consideration, but I suppose that might be a topic of another thread.)
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fair point. America just happens to be the most extreme example.
 
Posh Red said:
Do grown adults still tune in to this racist cretin?
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The dumb ones do.
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This.

HTG said:
I mean imagine this: there is a dude who became famous for talking about a sport that’s nothing else but the dumbest people imaginable beating each other up.
This dude has absolutely no formal education, no scientific background, no academic background to speak of.
He surrounds himself with similar people. They started a podcast that has absolutely no journalistic standards, academic standards or scientific standards.
The guests, in many cases, are lunatics, propagandists or simply grifters. They get to broadcast their disinformation without any fact checking or repercussions, if it should turn out they were lying.

And then there are people genuinely listening to this shit, genuinely believing this is a good source for news or education and spending their time defending him. And they think they are critical thinkers. :lol:

Every person listening to this man is no different then those who listen to Fox News or read the Daily Mail. They are gullible, ignorant and anti intellectual. And as they are easily influenced, they are dangerous. They are so dangerous, they aren’t even seeing a problem in parents having their children die, as a consequence of this disinformation. They aren’t seeing a problem with this podcast serving as gateway to further right wing propaganda. They are brainwashed and incapable of critical thought.
They ask to be taken seriously, to be treated like serious people who educate themselves before speaking. Who are capable of admitting when they were wrong. All while demanding there be no consequences whatsoever for listening to this podcast. They ask not to be made fun of for doing so. Basically they ask to do what they want without consequences. Because their idol told them that this is a valid way to go about one’s life. They are basically asking to be treated like babies, but also to be treated like serious adults.

Joe Rogan is a perfect microcosm that shows incredibly well how fundamentally broken American media is, how it caused so many people to be incapable of navigating this never ending stream of shit-media in order to find anything remotely reliable and the damage this creates. The man is highly dangerous, shouldn’t be underestimated and the consequences of his actions shouldn’t be ignored. He’s a horrible human being and should be stopped as soon as possible.
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This is also bang on. The fact that Rogan is still the most popular podcast in the world (I assume that is the case?) illustrates the scale of the problems we, as a society, face in terms of misinformation. We are totally screwed, and that idiocy is on full display in this thread over the last few pages.
 
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Mike Smalling said:
Not sure about the charismatic bit. Maybe he once was. Now he is a platform where right-wing people go to have their opinions reinforced. In that sense he is no different than a bunch of other podcasters, other than he does not label himself a conservative or republican.
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Well charismatic is matter of perception, I assume his listeners perceive him as such. Other than that I agree, and he hosts some truly idiotic people that are on far right. However I don't mind idiots voicing their thoughts , it's always been a fact of life (Full disclosure, I don't listen).
 
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Well charismatic is matter of perception, I assume his listener's perceive him as such. Other than that I agree, and he hosts some truly idiotic people that are on far right. However I don't mind idiots voicing their thoughts , it's always been a fact of life (Full disclosure, I don't listen).
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I think the criticism of Rogan is less about who is on his show, and more that he doesn't push back in moments when they're spewing misinformation.
 
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I think the criticism of Rogan is less about who is on his show, and more that he doesn't push back in moments when they're spewing misinformation.
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But how can anyone reasonably expect him to? He isn't the sharpest tool in the shed to begin with and then he smokes a blunt...
 
(Most) Rogan fans really need to grow up. The world is complicated, deal with it.
 
Rogan doesn’t just not push back he gets sucked it too, like when he got roped into that ivermectin nonsense which almost certainly cost people lives
 
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But how can anyone reasonably expect him too? He is the sharpest tool in the shed to begin with and then he smokes a blunt...
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Therein lies the problem. If you look back to the early days of his podcast, it was little more than Rogan and his pals chatting about random things. There was never any mechanism or expectation to fact check what were mostly spontaneously jokes and observations of his early guests. As the podcast grew in popularity, it began having non comedian and non mma guests, which given the fact that it was always one of if not the leading podcast on the web, resulted in everyone wanting to be on it - including politicians and beyond. Throughout all of this, Rogan has apparently tried to keep the original format in tact, which is has resulted in basically no push back or fact checking other than if Rogan happens to be semi-educated about a subject and occasionally pushes back in real time. If JRE was still a minnowish experiment that not many people watched, no one would care about this. But the fact that he platforms everyone he finds vaguely interesting, he's going to get criticized unless he finds a way to remedy the disinformation problem.
 
Can't remember the last episode I listened to. Seem to have had a change in guests. Used to be really good with scientists, journalists and writers of different genres frequently appearing
 
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Therein lies the problem. If you look back to the early days of his podcast, it was little more than Rogan and his pals chatting about random things. There was never any mechanism or expectation to fact check what were mostly spontaneously jokes and observations of his early guests. As the podcast grew in popularity, it began having non comedian and non mma guests, which given the fact that it was always one of if not the leading podcast on the web, resulted in everyone wanting to be on it - including politicians and beyond. Throughout all of this, Rogan has apparently tried to keep the original format in tact, which is has resulted in basically no push back or fact checking other than if Rogan happens to be semi-educated about a subject and occasionally pushes back in real time. If JRE was still a minnowish experiment that not many people watched, no one would care about this. But the fact that he platforms everyone he finds vaguely interesting, he's going to get criticized unless he finds a way to remedy the disinformation problem.
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That explanation fits my (limited) observations, think I agree with all of that.

Guess it's difficult to accept it as just that for people who have family/friends influenced by him, I can sympathize with them to a degree. However to me he isn't really any worse, or even as bad, as Roger Aisles' stable of spooks (or their disciples currently populating FOX).

Then again worse existing/having existed isn't exactly a great defense either, but it's why I can't get worked up about Rogan any more. I've just long accepted that the majority of people have enough of a different taste/opinion/interest that I can't distinguish it from stupidity.
 
For the people listening to this crap to kill time during their commute. Listen to the History of Rome by Mike Duncan followed by the History of Byzantium bij Robin Pearson.

It will last you hundreds of hour and you will learn just as much about vaccines, politics and modern medicine as you would with Joe.
 
‘If he is so bad, why is he still so popular?’

Because as P.T.Barnum said (allegedly), there’s a sucker born every minute, and first mover advantage is a thing.
 
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Why would you give such utter nonsense oxygen?
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I’m all ears if you can recommend someone else I can listen to who has guests talking about the stuff I was on about. If nothing else I find it interesting listening to a guy who’s in his 70/80s talk about what he’s spent his life invested in.

I couldn’t care less what Joe rogans opinions are on anything to be honest but I like listening to some of his guests
 
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I don't think anyone on here would have an issue with that approach. The issue is that he has many millions of listeners that take his word (or those of his guests) for gospel - including the political ones and the ones that you describe as wacky. That gives him huge influence while the quality of the content doesn't deserve that. I think people are right to be concerned about that - similar to how people are concerned (and frustrated, and angry) about the influence that something like the Daily Mail has in the UK.
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Yeah it’s an issue if people take his or his guests word on anything, same applies to just about anyone. people stupid enough to take his word on anything is an issue too.
 
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