We'll have to take a massive hit on his book value and get him moved in summer. Going out on loan does not benefit us in the least,so at this point, we just have to accept that punt on an upcoming young striker did not pay off at all. I don't think he offers anything to be retained as a second striker so best for all concerned he moves on.
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- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Still got to score the goal mate. He’s worse under Amorim, without doubt.
https://www.statmuse.com/fc/ask?q=best+conversion+rate+in+premier+league+23/24
5th in the league is decent. You don’t need to go far I’ll provide the stats!
You think he's looking like a player that can become a 20-25 goal per season striker in the Premier league?
Which that scoring spree would have implied.
That doesn't seem right.
Here he is 29th on purely goals per match. Still 33%.
You link appears to be using other metric too. It doesn't even put Haaland in the top 10...
He's the same without a doubt.
He scored more goals but still looked a bang average footballer.
On 8 for the season, say he has a good run to end the season, scores 6 say, ends up with 14, people might convince themselves it was just a bad run.
who the hell thought it would be a good idea to spend 60m on this player? he is so out of his depth, he is at best an average championship player, no way should he be leading the front line for a club with champions league aspirations, and he won't improve, just sell him.
Laughable really isn’t it. I remember at the time not understanding why people were so happy we’d lost a forward player who knows how to score goals. I get he had to leave because of the off field stuff but it was always highly unlikely we were going to replace him with someone better. People made out it was a given we’d slot in this pressing machine goalscoring forward.
he just brings no threat at all, he loves that back heel flick and it does give him space, and he then. has a brain fart. The most blunt striker I have ever seen
I think he has attributes and has showed glimpses of being a player that can do that. Whether he will is a different question.
I'm objecting to people just clowning on one of their own players consistently. His prior two seasons have been 10 in 34 for Atalanta and 16 in 43 last season. Those aren't bad stats for someone who is 22. They're not good enough for the main #9 at a struggling Utd (not his fault) but there's something to build on. In old Utd teams we'd have shrugged our shoulders and said 'young and learnin' but in this day there's a rush to go pile on to his performances page and crap on him.
His patch of scoring last season more shows that he could be prolific with a bit of confidence and rounding to his game, not that he's already peaked at 22. From a pure goal scoring perspective, Rooney has probably as streaky and not perceived as a clinical/natural finisher until he was 25.
Part of me thinks (based on his purple patch pre-injury last season) that there is a player in there. I think he does need a loan away if he's to make it at United, somewhere he'd play regularly without being under such intense scrutiny.
Selling wise, I can't imagine he'd command a huge fee considering this season, but if a decent offer came in with sell on and bonuses, it may not be one to pass on.
Selling wise, I can't imagine he'd command a huge fee considering this season, but if a decent offer came in with sell on and bonuses, it may not be one to pass on.
He's worse under Amorim because he's completely ill-suited to Amorim's system. I'm not going to slate Amorim for refusing to alter his system to accommodate Hojlund, though, because the system that Hojlund would work well in is the same sort of system which saw us completely out of control in the vast majority of our matches under Ten Hag.
Hojlund is honestly a pretty one-dimensional striker at the moment. As his goal against Leicester showed, he's actually quite good when the ball is played in behind an opposition defence. He's very quick for his size, and he's a good finisher one-on-one. The issue is, these sorts of chances will only come about frequently in a side that transitions from back-to-front quickly. Ten Hag's United did that but it came at the gigantic cost of ceding control of about 90% of the matches we played in, and hoping we'd have the quality when we did attack to negate that.
I agree that Hojlund was a better player under Ten Hag than he is under Amorim, but I cannot really blame Amorim for this because he should not understand any circumstances be making the same mistake Ten Hag did and compromising our ability to control matches to accommodate forwards who could only play football one way. He needs to be given full licence to gut the forward line this summer, and sign attackers capable of scoring goals within a slower and more controlled setup. We're never going to progress as a team if we always just revert back to fast transition football to accommodate attackers who can only thrive in that setting.
Very good post
What's different for the 9 in Amorim's system compared to any other system?
It would have to be a substantial for it to be the reason why a striker is struggling.
Just finished the highlights
Not being over emotional but i think he should never play for the club again
What message do we send to other players to allow that sort of performance week in week out
I dont care anymore that his confidence is low. Its not acceptable.
We start every game a man down when he is playing.
Not being over emotional but i think he should never play for the club again
What message do we send to other players to allow that sort of performance week in week out
I dont care anymore that his confidence is low. Its not acceptable.
We start every game a man down when he is playing.
Really did think he would kick on from what turned out to be nothing more than a short purple patch. Right now he wouldn't look out of place in a midtable championship team.
Just cut whatever losses we can and move on.
Just cut whatever losses we can and move on.
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It's to do with their strengths and weaknesses.
Hojlund is a fast striker and a good finisher. If you can play the ball in behind an opposition defence to him, there's a good chance he'll be able to fashion out a goalscoring opportunity and a good chance he'll bury it too. With that said, he's quite lacking in other aspects of forward play. Perhaps my biggest gripe with him is his movement in the box - he's just never where he should be when a cross comes in, so poses very little threat in the penalty area.
Amorim is evidently trying to implement a more controlled style of play at United. Because of this, the speed of our attacks has reduced relative to Ten Hag, under whom the team was very frenetic. There are upsides and downsides to this but Hojlund is one of the players who really suffers because this more patient style lends itself more to creating chances from players crossing from wider areas and less from balls in behind an opposition defence.
I honestly just think we were extremely daft to spend such an exorbitant sum of money on a striker who is, at present, so one-dimensional. This is especially true given that his way of playing is generally not conducive to how most of Europe's top teams want to set themselves up.
Worst striker we've had at the club during the PL era
We paid 60-odd million for a striker who had a 9 goal season in Serie A. The season before that he scored 6 in the Austrian Bundesliga. Surely it's no surprise that he's not a prolific striker right now, since he never has been one. Who sanctioned this?
The scenes in here when we buy a striker in the summer, who gets injured in pre season, and we start the season with this guy up front. The United way.
Aaand... amorim is still the manager.
Madness that the club paid so much for a guy who only made it into the Atalanta side because all their other strikers were injured. He became a regular in January, 6 months later the club spends £70m. Its honestly baffling
No the stat you’re referencing is goals per game, not conversion rate. Like I said he certainly had a decent conversion rate.
Sorry but haven't seen any of that this season. I get your point and agree that style-wise he doesn't suit us. He should move to a lower league as he is pretty much struggling with the tempo here.
You always know a striker is rubbish when people start talking about "no service".
Yesterday showed what's really going on with strikers who get "no service"...they're just so far off it they can't get into the right positions.
Three times yesterday a brilliant cross was delivered (Dorgu, Garnacho and Amass) and Hojlund didn't get on the end of it, despite looking the favourite.
You put some average PL striker like Chris Wood, Solanke or Mateta at CF and they gobble those up all day long.
Yesterday showed what's really going on with strikers who get "no service"...they're just so far off it they can't get into the right positions.
Three times yesterday a brilliant cross was delivered (Dorgu, Garnacho and Amass) and Hojlund didn't get on the end of it, despite looking the favourite.
You put some average PL striker like Chris Wood, Solanke or Mateta at CF and they gobble those up all day long.
He has probably lost so much value this season that if the club does try and sell him next season they are going to struggle finding any buyers.
I don’t think it would be a huge problem finding buyers. There will be clubs looking at the situation and thinking he is out of his depth in a dysfunctional team, but that he could come good by regaining his confidence in an easier league. He is also still young.
In terms of the fee, we are screwed though. Even £30m seems a bit of a stretch.
I was hoping to see something in him... but he is playing at a level which is simply too high for him.
He needs to be sold (no point with a loan deal) and play for a team with no expectations. He would struggle to make any impact in the Championship.
He needs to be sold (no point with a loan deal) and play for a team with no expectations. He would struggle to make any impact in the Championship.
Go give a look at transfer thread, look at the amount of posters who were making excuses for that. I honestly could not believe it.
Against Lyon, he was the only player (bar Onana and the CBs) from the team who did not take a shot. Conversion means feck all if he is never there to make these shots.
It was 4 times, Dorgu crossed twice.
Sir Harry would have put atleast 2 of those chances away, especially the crosses from Dorgu.
It was the same for Onana before he joined us.
Posters ignored the amount of times he would spill the ball in his 6 yd box because he would transform our style of play with his passing
I think the reason we paid so much for Rasmus was based on his potential as he was impressive at a young age in one of the major leagues in Europe.
I just cannot believe how lacking he is in basic centre forward play, he is a big guy but he never looks a threat from set pieces and he has no attacking instinct to be in the right place in the penalty area and the two crosses from Dorgu today were a great example of that.
I do not know what we are going to do with him.
The things a geriatric Cavani did with no service for us, top class movement.
Just waiting for a compilation of Hollywood Hulk Hojlund missing sitters to the tune of Hendrix’s Voodoo Child.
John Murtough getting a job at Atalanta recently did make me wonder.
I liked him
Must've been love, but it's over now
Must've been love, but it's over now
¨Put aside the stats, there are too many deficiencies to his game that can be assessed by watching him consistently.
Not sure I’ve ever seen a footballer spend as much time on the floor as him. His confidence is obviously shot but he’s nowhere near the level required, start Obi over him
This, goal totals remain incredibly overrated when it comes to judging a strikers overall performances. Mentioned it earlier in the thread but if he somehow manages to score 5-7 goals before the end of the season, ends up with 13-15, is that going to mean he had a decent season for some?
Because exactly the same happened last year, you just have to revisit his thread, so many of the same discussions were going on around his limitations, but the numbers ended up convincing some that he had been good.