Greenwood clause is 50% on the profit so can’t see us receiving very much
Matheus Cunha £62.5m release clause
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In todays market is he really overpriced?
He’s a proven attacker in the Premier League. Players like Semenyo are being touted for a similar price and I think Cunha is a class above him.
I dont know. Brazilians, no matter how high rated they are seem to be not working here.
He’s going to be a great fit for Amorim. A number 10 who carries the ball very well and is able to drive up the pitch which is what Amorim looks for. Really excited about this one. Bruno, Cunha; Delap up top would potentially transform us into a really potent team. There’s also Mount, Amad - who I’d play RWB but is obviously excellent in that 10 role. I’m guessing we will keep Rasmus who would suit being a bench option and we also have Zirkzee. I see Garnacho being sold unfortunately as I don’t believe he suits Amorims system.
Who’s to say we wont?
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Cunha-----Bruno---Amad
Cunha-----Bruno---Amad
No way to know for sure but we seem to be heavily linked to the much cheaper ST.
He really isn't. He's a player with 16 goals this season. At the age of 25 he could go a level up and become really really good.
22 goals in 92 games is doing well?
Yeah don't buy Neymar, Kaka or Ronaldinho because "highly rated" Fred and Kleberson didn't work out...
The logic and generalisations people come up with is interesting at times. I wonder whether people have these thoughts in their lives.
Never hire another guy from Liverpool because the last two were rubbish, scousers just don't work out at my company.
I think people are just so traumatized by the folly of our transfer policy under Woodward and Murtough that they now come into every move we make with a guilty until proven innocent mentality. Or in other words, there's no way he can be anything other than shit.
I mean, come on guys, 40m for Cunha would be too much? What are we even talking about here? Wolves paid more than that when they bought him and he's only gone and proven himself to be one of the best attacking players in the league since then.
Look at the state of the market these days. I'd say 60m or so is about right. We paid more for Hojlund if I'm not mistaken, who had a whole 6 months of "success" in an inferior league on his CV and nothing more. And if Cunha were English? Forget it, he'd have a 90m price tag slapped on his head at minimum.
His attitude is one thing, but I really don't see how you can question the fit or his ability.
This team is in dire need of pace and power in every area. We are not even premier league standard on this front. In a post match interview recently, Amorim clearly acknowledged this and made it obvious that its an area that must and will be improved as a point of the highest priority.
Cunha is a great first step in addressing that glaring weakness in the team.
Okay, he may not have had his best game against us on Sunday, but you can't judge him solely on that performance. I got the sense that he was playing with the handbrake on, at least a bit, and he still drew the foul that led to the decisive FK.
Putting that performance aside, even if you only ever watched his other matches against Man United, you will have seen that this is a player that has routinely torn us to shreds with his running power and ball carrying ability. He would pick up the ball from deep and run past our midfield like it wasn't even there routinely.
Hojlund, Antony, even Sancho, were patently stupid overpays for evidently flawed and one dimensional players. Don't let that scare you off this one. Cunha can do it all. He's got the technique, ball carrying and frankly, the arrogance (allied with in game intelligence, not a la Garnacho) that we desperately desperately need and he will be a perfect fit in our system, with the versatility to play multiple roles across the front line.
I haven't liked the thought process behind so, so many of our transfer decisions in recent years for many reasons. But this move just seems like one that is one that United would have made in the past, back in the days of SAF, when our hit rate in the market was so much higher. It's a patently obvious move to make for a player only just entering his prime.
I mean, come on guys, 40m for Cunha would be too much? What are we even talking about here? Wolves paid more than that when they bought him and he's only gone and proven himself to be one of the best attacking players in the league since then.
Look at the state of the market these days. I'd say 60m or so is about right. We paid more for Hojlund if I'm not mistaken, who had a whole 6 months of "success" in an inferior league on his CV and nothing more. And if Cunha were English? Forget it, he'd have a 90m price tag slapped on his head at minimum.
His attitude is one thing, but I really don't see how you can question the fit or his ability.
This team is in dire need of pace and power in every area. We are not even premier league standard on this front. In a post match interview recently, Amorim clearly acknowledged this and made it obvious that its an area that must and will be improved as a point of the highest priority.
Cunha is a great first step in addressing that glaring weakness in the team.
Okay, he may not have had his best game against us on Sunday, but you can't judge him solely on that performance. I got the sense that he was playing with the handbrake on, at least a bit, and he still drew the foul that led to the decisive FK.
Putting that performance aside, even if you only ever watched his other matches against Man United, you will have seen that this is a player that has routinely torn us to shreds with his running power and ball carrying ability. He would pick up the ball from deep and run past our midfield like it wasn't even there routinely.
Hojlund, Antony, even Sancho, were patently stupid overpays for evidently flawed and one dimensional players. Don't let that scare you off this one. Cunha can do it all. He's got the technique, ball carrying and frankly, the arrogance (allied with in game intelligence, not a la Garnacho) that we desperately desperately need and he will be a perfect fit in our system, with the versatility to play multiple roles across the front line.
I haven't liked the thought process behind so, so many of our transfer decisions in recent years for many reasons. But this move just seems like one that is one that United would have made in the past, back in the days of SAF, when our hit rate in the market was so much higher. It's a patently obvious move to make for a player only just entering his prime.
Harsh on Brazilians comparing them to that lot.
Cunha would be exciting. Has all the tools on paper to succeed.
PL proven, physical profile very good, good technical base, fits a need in the squad for a 10, aggressive and a Cnut of the highest level but he will be our Cnut.
Him and a CF, I’d be delighted if that’s our summer business.
PL proven, physical profile very good, good technical base, fits a need in the squad for a 10, aggressive and a Cnut of the highest level but he will be our Cnut.
Him and a CF, I’d be delighted if that’s our summer business.
I think people are underrating how much of an underrating this would be on Garnacho. Not the answer alone but would improve our attacking threat a lot.
I know he's been a good player for Wolves but I'm really not moved by this at all. I've got quite a lot of reservations about Cunha - how often he walks around the pitch, his indiscipline in recent months and the way he's conducted himself on social media. This one isn't just about him but I'm also getting the feeling we won't have enough speed in our forward line once we've reshaped the attack.
I worry where this signing will leave us if/when things don't work out with the current manager. He's a specialist signing for Amorim's system in the left 10 role, but I can't really see where he fits in a more conventional 4-3-3 if we end up switching managers or formation. Add on top the hefty price tag and I just feel extremely skeptical about this working out well for us.
I worry where this signing will leave us if/when things don't work out with the current manager. He's a specialist signing for Amorim's system in the left 10 role, but I can't really see where he fits in a more conventional 4-3-3 if we end up switching managers or formation. Add on top the hefty price tag and I just feel extremely skeptical about this working out well for us.
Maybe because Cunha wants to come and Gyokeres doesn’t want to come to a team that’s 14th especially when the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool will be looking for a new striker. Why would he realistically choose us over them? In the past, I could understand if players chose us over other teams because there was hope that we would return back to Fergie days. But that hope seems to be fading every year and we turning into a banter club.
Sums up my feelings as well. Quite a few question marks for north of £60m
He was never played in his right position. He was played as a 9. Even Wolves played him all across the front - right, left, up top. He played well but never got the numbers until they started playing him in this left 10 and let him roam a bit
I would say he is a player who clearly has improved this season, but the question remains as to whether or not it is an outlier season or his new norm. He has just one penalty in his stats this season whereas Salah for example has 9 (but clearly has bags more assists).
We need 3 or 4 attackers in the summer. Hojlund, Rashford, Antony, Sancho and Garnacho all need shipping out. We let Rashford and Antony go in January and replaced them with a wing back. I would sell Garnacho reluctantly to raise funds for someone who is more proven. He shouldn’t be starting every week for us, but we bought too many flops like Sancho and Antony that we are forced to rely on him. We should avoid signing players from Serie A this summer.
Isn't that a bit of a red flag? I'm pretty sure Berrada spoke a while ago about recruiting players who can survive a change of system. Cunha would clearly struggle with that.
Unpopular opinion - I actually like the fact that he's a bit of a moaner and headcase. As long as he puts in the performances, it's a good thing. We need characters and fighters on the team. We've had plenty of them in the past so not sure why everyone wants our whole team to be these soft nice guys. I think people are confusing the bad characters we have had recently who bitch in the press and down tools. We dont need them. If he bitches and moans and kicks sht when we loose then fair enough as long as he does that in the right way and it doesnt affect the dressing room its a bonus. The more headcases the better
That better be Amad from RWB-------------Osimhen
Cunha-----Bruno---Amad
He is pretty prolific over the past year and a bit - scoring more or less one in two for a team generally struggling near the bottom of the league. Perhaps it indicates a wider change of strategy in going for players who have already shown they can cut it in the Premier League. I think there are fewer question marks about him than Gyokeres in this regard - and also maybe Cunha can create more by himself, so is more suitable for a team that is not exactly serving up hatfuls of chances for its strikers.
This kind of stuff definitely isn't a positive - it's moronic. What he did to that Ipswich member of staff was even worse. We need players who can cope with the pressures of playing for United and this kind of behaviour demonstrates a weak mentality.
Did you ever see Keane and Cantona etc?
And yet people wet their pants when Bruno looks as much as being unhappy
“He cost 73m and, because we like you, we’ll give you an extra 5m english pounds. Added together thats 15m, more than your asking price.”how are you selling that then?
Sancho is worth 57m lads honest
Point
Wink
Turn and walk away slowly
The game has changed since those days, you can't get away with nearly as much. We're also in an era now where there's VAR and hundreds of cameras on any given matchday. It's petulance and wistful feelings for Keane or Cantona don't change that.
We can only hope that Amorim can fix his character issues. I am also sceptical and was vocally against his signing but if he club has decided to sign him I will support that decision.
Whatever about the player himself, it's good to see transfer business starting early. Amorim needs all the help he can get, and that includes a full pre-season with key signings in place. The more business that gets done early the better.
I'm less worried about his character and more worried about his ability. He's on a massive hot streak at the moment which is making him look better than he is and I don't think he's got any more ceiling to grow into. This is as good as he's going to get.
Despite this season, he's not a 15 goal a season player, he's a (maybe) 10 goal a season player at best and I think that'll bare out when he signs for United. £62m just seems way, way too much for him.
Despite this season, he's not a 15 goal a season player, he's a (maybe) 10 goal a season player at best and I think that'll bare out when he signs for United. £62m just seems way, way too much for him.
People say he's not super prolific but he's 3 away from Rashford's best season, and has improved fro his first year.
Also he's not coming in to be the main striker.
We will still bring that person in. He's coming in to replace a Garnacho or Zirkzee in the starting lineup.
Mbeumo is a possibly cheaper option as he's in the last year of his contract but he plays on the right and is more of a winger.
The other player I would like other than a striker is Dibling.
Between, Cunha, Amad, Zirkzee, Dibling, Kobbie, Bruno, Mount and Garnacho, we should have more than enough for the 10s, with Cunha and Zirkzee sometimes covering the Striker role, Bruno, Kobbie and Mount could cover the midfield and Dibling and Amad as RWB cover.
I was about to ask if anyone is concerned that he's massively outperforming his xG, given that his contribution outside of goals is fairly minimal/average.
Only being devils advocate, but he isnt an out and out striker. His last 2 seasons returns in what has been a terrible wolves team at times have been pretty good. Also in his favour are his workrate and the physicality we desperately lack - think of how we could have done with 2 or 3 like him versus newcastle recently. I could see him doing very well as the left hand side 10 role. With Diallo or Bruno in the other its a good pairing and more natural to this new system that what weve been trying. The problem will remain though, we could sign the best 10s in the world and it wont matter without a goalscoring striker.
Im on board with Cunha, especially if amorim sees him as a proper fit for this system that seemingly needs absolutely every component part to function at all.
Hes been one of the standout performers in the prem this season, and fills a big gaping hole in our squad.
Yet half the caf have reservations...
As for his attitude, it's exactly what we need, some dogs on the pitch. We are way too soft to play against.
Yet half the caf have reservations...
As for his attitude, it's exactly what we need, some dogs on the pitch. We are way too soft to play against.
He is overrated.