Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches

[Zumbi]

You know I completely forgot United finished 3rd under Ten Hag. Just had a look at that season on wikipedia.. United had some great results and runs.


I suffer from chronic pain that analgesics dont touch, so if anyone who thinks Ten hag was worse than Amorim can please hand me whatever they are taking it just might make the difference!

Ten Hag spent £600 million ish and took us from 6th when he arrived to 14th by the time he was sacked, as well as out of the CL with our worst ever group performance.

So far Amorim has spent about £25 million and taken us from 14th, to 14th, and still in with a chance of regaining the CL football we lost under Ten Hag.

Amorim has not been doing well at all so far, but he has a long way to go before he matches the damage Ten Hag did to us.

 

[Cassidy]

I think it may be you that is misinterpreting the figures. United have conceded fewer goals this season because:

1) There are still four games left to played.
2) ETH was conceding fewer goals per game than Amorim is.

If you conceded the goals per game that Amorim has across the full season it would total 59 goals.

I think it may be you that is misinterpreting the figures. United have conceded fewer goals this season because:

1) There are still four games left to played.
2) ETH was conceding fewer goals per game than Amorim is.

If you conceded the goals per game that Amorim has across the full season it would total 59 goals.

1) If you read my original post I already provided goals per game stats

2) The whole point was ETH was not conceding fewer goals per game last season

 

[Daydreamer]

1) If you read my original post I already provided goals per game stats

I did read it.

PL. 23/24 38 games 58 goals conceded 1.52 goals per game

PL 24/25 34 games 47 goals conceded 1.38 goals per game

So what was the big difference between this season and last if we are conceding less?

You confirm that ETH was conceded marginally fewer goals per game last season than Amorim has this season, a season in which there were far more injuries to the United's back line.

Then you compare that to this season, but combine ETH's lower goals conceded per game (1.22) with Amorim's higher goals conceded per game (1.55)

You've then concluded that United are conceding less this season than they did last season. But you seem to have missed the fact that the reduction is due to ETH's defensive record, not Amorim's. Which makes sense, seeing as Amorim has conceded more goals per game than any modern United Manager.

2) The whole point was ETH was not conceding fewer goals per game last season

Maybe re-read what you yourself have written.

You wrote yourself that he was (1:52 vs 1:55). And that was:

- Without the additions of Dorgu and Heaven
- With a far longer injury list
- With a back four rather than a back five

 

[Quagmaguire]

He is a very hard manager to judge.

He clearly has a plan, a map and a route with no diversions.

He says out loud " here is what I need, you give me 100% what I want and i will succeed"

But he really doesn't have any ability to get the best out of any other player in the world who doesn't fit his system.

Thank god Messi could play as a RAM because Amorim would have had no understanding how to play him centrally at all.

Nearly everyone who hasn't had their breakout or debut season has regressed.

 

[Judas]

This side has looked goal shy for so long. Anyone with two braincells predicted it before the season started, and the attack has only been weakened since then. Yesterday I personally think we probably win with you know players who can actually hit the target? We seem to spaff so many chances its unreal, which we simply can't afford to do when we don't create enough as it is.

 

[Amira]

Ten Hag spent £600 million ish and took us from 6th when he arrived to 14th by the time he was sacked, as well as out of the CL with our worst ever group performance.

So far Amorim has spent about £25 million and taken us from 14th, to 14th, and still in with a chance of regaining the CL football we lost under Ten Hag.

Amorim has not been doing well at all so far, but he has a long way to go before he matches the damage Ten Hag did to us.

I don’t think it can be matched.

 

[Zumbi]

I don’t think it can be matched.

Agreed - he’ll be long gone before INEOS allow him to do that kind of damage.

 

[RedSky]

He is a very hard manager to judge.

He clearly has a plan, a map and a route with no diversions.

He says out loud " here is what I need, you give me 100% what I want and i will succeed"

But he really doesn't have any ability to get the best out of any other player in the world who doesn't fit his system.

Thank god Messi could play as a RAM because Amorim would have had no understanding how to play him centrally at all.

Nearly everyone who hasn't had their breakout or debut season has regressed.

who's regressed? I see this a lot but I'm not sure who has. We were terrible at the start of the season under ETH. 4 wins in 14. I dont think anyone has actually regressed under Amorim, not many have flourished mind. I'd argue Bruno has improved and got back his Old form. Maguire has gotten better too.

As for the United squad quality argument. I'd take every single one of Palaces forward lineup and they'd be immediate first choice. Wharton too. id replicate that for a lot of the clubs in the PL. We have a decent selection of CBs a few good midfielders and that's pretty much it. Our attacking lineup is gross, our wingbacks largely ineffective and we have a crap GK. Mix that with ageing and injury prone players and you can understand why people don't rate our squad.

Baffles me that some of you have watched us for the last 3 seasons and still ignore the very clear weakness of our forwards options. You can't win games if you don't score. Our attacking options are horrific.

 

[retired_muppet]

I believe in 6 of our last 7 league games, we've conceded one goal or less.

Other than the disaster at Newcastle, recently the overall defending doesn't feel that bad watching it but I could be wrong.

You're actually right. In Ruben's first 8 matches, we conceded 14 goals with xGA of 11.91

In the next 8 matches period, we conceded 13 goals with xGA of 14.53

In the last 7 matches period, we conceded 8 goals with xGA of 7.77

In comparison during ETH final 9 matches we did only conceded 11 goals, but the xGA was at a whopping 17.52

It was a continuation from last season where we gave away about 2 xGA per match in premier league.

Tldr; We're slowly improving our defence. If only we could buy a goal or two upfront.

 

[Bright_Eyes]

We've improved in my opinion, but a lot of the old issues are still there. I felt we got physically bullied at times this game, just shoved off the ball too easily. And teams still know that if they pressure our defence they can force mistakes from us and nick a goal. The turnover today could have easily been avoided with the right first time pass from Dorgu, he needs to be sharper than that. He arguably shouldn't have received the ball at all, it was all too slow and easy to predict and counter press, as our play from the back so often has been.

 

[Raoul]

We've improved in my opinion, but a lot of the old issues are still there. I felt we got physically bullied at times this game, just shoved off the ball too easily. And teams still know that if they pressure our defence they can force mistakes from us and nick a goal. The turnover today could have easily been avoided with the right first time pass from Dorgu, he needs to be sharper than that. He arguably shouldn't have received the ball at all, it was all too slow and easy to predict and counter press, as our play from the back so often has been.

We've conceded a lot less goals this year than last, which is progress. Unfortunately, we're also scoring massively less this year than last. Giving up the odd goal such as today, shouldn't be a problem if we're scoring more. Hopefully that gets resolved this summer.

 

[Bright_Eyes]

We've conceded a lot less goals this year than last, which is progress. Unfortunately, we're also scoring massively less this year than last. Giving up the odd goal such as today, shouldn't be a problem if we're scoring more. Hopefully that gets resolved this summer.

I have faith. At any rate, I don't know if I could take another manager turnover next season! Just want to see some continual steady progress for in the next couple of seasons, even if it's slow! Something to get excited about for longer than our usual cycle.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Give him the summer and 10 games next season, as others have said.
I like him as a person and want him to succeed but my prediction is he will be gone by October or November next season.
We can still sign the players needed. A striker, number 10, midfielder and keeper can all be used in different systems if a new coach has to come in.

I think we as fans such all accept that he’s been far below even the most pessimistic of expectations, if he doesn’t win the Europa League then let’s just call it what it is, a massive failure. He’s been wank.
Amorim, despite his talks of us having to suffer, would certainly agree.

I think 100% of other top clubs would replace him in June with Frank or Ancelotti, and most tops clubs tend to do better than us.

But his likeability factor even has me thinking like a stupid United fan, that it’d be a shame to not get in some of the players we desperately need regardless and see how the first quarter of next season is.

If he starts just as negative (with 6-7 defensive players) and results/performances are just as poor, even with new signings, feck him off asap and bring in Ancelotti.

 

[croadyman]

Because he has been given a 2.5 year contract and the task to rebuild the team and get them playing a new modern system. He deserves the opportunity to have a fecking window to help build that team. You and most people in here are just impatient. It’s not his fault ETH left him with literally the worst attack in living United memory. So bad we pine for forwards from the likes of Palace, Bournemouth and Brentford

Those forwards have done well at those clubs, now whether they could step up here is another thing

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Didn't we win have 2-3 year plan for Ten Hag? And a 2-3 year plan for Mourinho? And for Ole? and for Louis van Gaal?

Every single time we hear that a manager needs time. They get time and they get worse.

Getting 2-3 years should be dependent on improving the team they inherit and showing steady progress. It shouldn't be dependant on blind faith

Oh it’s the most stupid of United things.

We finished in ok positions with both LVG and Mourinho, and with trophies. Than our real ”projects” began, and we’ve gotten worse with every one.

Amorim for me has been so poor that he should be walking an incredibly thin tightrope, the Europa should give him a little extra, but if he misses that, he should be given maximum the first quarter of next season to show some serious improvement. If he doesn’t, he should be fecked off asap.
If he does, great, then he’s earned his time.

 

[croadyman]

I think we as fans such all accept that he’s been far below even the most pessimistic of expectations, if he doesn’t win the Europa League then let’s just call it what it is, a massive failure. He’s been wank.
Amorim, despite his talks of us having to suffer, would certainly agree.

I think 100% of other top clubs would replace him in June with Frank or Ancelotti, and most tops clubs tend to do better than us.

But his likeability factor even has me thinking like a stupid United fan, that it’d be a shame to not get in some of the players we desperately need regardless and see how the first quarter of next season is.

If he starts just as negative (with 6-7 defensive players) and results/performances are just as poor, even with new signings, feck him off asap and bring in Ancelotti.

I will openly admit he would be on thin ice if results don't significantly improve with some more of his own players being brought in

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

You and most people in here are just impatient. It’s not his fault ETH left him with literally the worst attack in living United memory.

I really don’t think the super talents of Garna and Amad, coupled with Bruno Fernandes, Rashford and Antony are anywhere near as poor as you are making out.

Betis are second only to Barcelona in the form table for La Liga since Antony joined, that’s for 32% of the season. Let’s stop pretending he is some shite who can’t play for a bottom half United team

We’re a daft bunch United fans, last year plenty were claiming how shit the likes of McTom and Antony were and how could we possibly be better, then they both leave and their new clubs are not only better than us, they are star players that their clubs love.

We absolutely love to shit on our players, and here’s just another example of it. Likely Garna will be sold and we’ll all be watching in awe as he develops into one of the best wingers in the World. All whilst we claimed he was part of the worst United attack ever.

 

[croadyman]

Oh it’s the most stupid of United things.

We finished in ok positions with both LVG and Mourinho, and with trophies. Than our real ”projects” began, and we’ve gotten worse with every one.

Amorim for me has been so poor that he should be walking an incredibly thin tightrope, the Europa should give him a little extra, but if he misses that, he should be given maximum the first quarter of next season to show some serious improvement. If he doesn’t, he should be fecked off asap.
If he does, great, then he’s earned his time.

Yeah that sounds a fair amount of time to judge him

 

[redNATION]

Real are about to sack Ancelotti, a multi league and champions league winning coach, and that’s for a season they finished 2nd in the league (likely), runner up Copa del Rey and quarter final in the champions league. Thats called maintaining standards, at Utd he’d be given a new 5 year contract and the season “successful” because it’s better than the failures since Fergies retirement. Amorim should definitely be gone in the first few months of next season if things don’t improve, and if they do but finishes outside the top 4 then he should still go. Finishing 6th is no great achievement.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Real are about to sack Ancelotti, a multi league and champions league winning coach, and that’s for a season they finished 2nd in the league (likely), runner up Copa del Rey and quarter final in the champions league. Thats called maintaining standards, at Utd he’d be given a new 5 year contract and the season “successful” because it’s better than the failures since Fergies retirement. Amorim should definitely be gone in the first few months of next season if things don’t improve, and if they do but finishes outside the top 4 then he should still go. Finishing 6th is no great achievement.

Aye, we should stop pretending finishing around where Forest will end up is something well done for a United coach, it’s not.

 

[croadyman]

Aye, we should stop pretending finishing around where Forest will end up is something well done for a United coach, it’s not.

I completely agree it's not acceptable, however think it's fair to at least give him to October next season. I'm not going to say Christmas because if results aren't going well then that's too long to wait.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I completely agree it's not acceptable, however think it's fair to at least give him to October next season. I'm not going to say Christmas because if results aren't going well then that's too long to wait.

There’s just no reason to give him to Christmas, if we get Cunha early as it seems and a couple of other players in, his has the entire Summer to get the system to work.

 

[Jippy]

Real are about to sack Ancelotti, a multi league and champions league winning coach, and that’s for a season they finished 2nd in the league (likely), runner up Copa del Rey and quarter final in the champions league. Thats called maintaining standards, at Utd he’d be given a new 5 year contract and the season “successful” because it’s better than the failures since Fergies retirement. Amorim should definitely be gone in the first few months of next season if things don’t improve, and if they do but finishes outside the top 4 then he should still go. Finishing 6th is no great achievement.

The Real comparison is pointless - they almost certainly would've sacked SAF in '88/89 and '05/06, maybe even 1995 and 2002 as well.

No-one is arguing sixth place is 'success' in the great scheme of things, but expecting the club to be mounting a title challenge next season is unrealistic, particularly given apparent financial restraints. Top four looks like a minor miracle next year unless we somehow pull off some incredibly canny business in the transfer market, which would be a first.

Sure you can keep expectations and ambitions at peak SAF era levels, but you're going to be disappointed a lot after the position years of financial mismanagement and awful recruitment have put us in.

 

[hellhunter]

I completely agree it's not acceptable, however think it's fair to at least give him to October next season. I'm not going to say Christmas because if results aren't going well then that's too long to wait.

In my opinion, this is a recipe for disaster though. If he's still shit in October/by Christmas and we replace him then, we wasted another season and transfer window.

 

[Gavinb33]

I was going by that Sky link, which says otherwise. If it's wrong, then ok.

If that's leagues goals he's included Ten Hag games to make it look better

 

[Lentwood]

He'll be fine given a couple of decent attackers and with Amad back.

He's got the worst / least experienced United squad since the 1980s and he's come in mid-season with morale on the floor and had to try and implement an entirely new system whilst playing two games a week.

The Newcastle anomaly aside, we have actually been performing much better as a unit for around two months now. We just don't quite have the results to back it up because we are missing Amad and desperately need a CF.

Case in point, we conceded one shot on target vs Bournemouth and one shot on target vs Wolves. Keep doing that and results WILL come eventually

 

[GaryLifo]

If a wife complains about her husband, must she first give the therapist the name of the man she’d like to replace him with?

Otherwise she’s just moaning for the sake of it right?

But a wife can divorce the husband and remain single, whereas a football team must always have a manager, so your analogy falls short on this occasion

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Real are about to sack Ancelotti, a multi league and champions league winning coach, and that’s for a season they finished 2nd in the league (likely), runner up Copa del Rey and quarter final in the champions league. Thats called maintaining standards, at Utd he’d be given a new 5 year contract and the season “successful” because it’s better than the failures since Fergies retirement. Amorim should definitely be gone in the first few months of next season if things don’t improve, and if they do but finishes outside the top 4 then he should still go. Finishing 6th is no great achievement.

Ancelloti is looking for a job, you say…?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

But a wife can divorce the husband and remain single, whereas a football team must always have a manager, so your analogy falls short on this occasion

Does it though? Isn't the complaining even more just "for the sake of it" when she could simply stop moaning and you know, be single.

 

[stretford ender58]

It isn't getting better but he's also had to weaken his squad in January because the club desperately needs to save money and he's lost 3 starting players to injury so he's really running on fumes.

As for the wingers I think there's space for them in the system but he's not really had them available enough to really see how they work.

Sounds like he's decided Rashford/Antony just aren't going to adjust and are going to need to move on. Garnacho/Amad seem to be players he's willing to work with.

Dorgu is basically a winger playing as a wing back on the left and I'm guessing he'll want an option like him on the right as well as I don't see Dalot playing that role.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

It isn't getting better but he's also had to weaken his squad in January because the club desperately needs to save money and he's lost 3 starting players to injury so he's really running on fumes.

As for the wingers I think there's space for them in the system but he's not really had them available enough to really see how they work.

Sounds like he's decided Rashford/Antony just aren't going to adjust and are going to need to move on. Garnacho/Amad seem to be players he's willing to work with.

Dorgu is basically a winger playing as a wing back on the left and I'm guessing he'll want an option like him on the right as well as I don't see Dalot playing that role.

Dorgu looks absolutely nothing like a winger, and I'd argue thus far, Dalot looks far more dangerous in that role.

 

[Cee90]

No excuses next season Ruben.

 

[tomaldinho1]

He deserves this summer window whatever happens in Europa and won't believe anything different

I think he will get the summer, though am unsure ‘deserve’ is the right word. Maybe it’s fair to give him that

 

[SilentWitness]

I really don’t think the super talents of Garna and Amad, coupled with Bruno Fernandes, Rashford and Antony are anywhere near as poor as you are making out.

Betis are second only to Barcelona in the form table for La Liga since Antony joined, that’s for 32% of the season. Let’s stop pretending he is some shite who can’t play for a bottom half United team

We’re a daft bunch United fans, last year plenty were claiming how shit the likes of McTom and Antony were and how could we possibly be better, then they both leave and their new clubs are not only better than us, they are star players that their clubs love.

We absolutely love to shit on our players, and here’s just another example of it. Likely Garna will be sold and we’ll all be watching in awe as he develops into one of the best wingers in the World. All whilst we claimed he was part of the worst United attack ever.

Nah sorry. Antony was just crap. Let's not pretend it was a system or manager letting him down in the PL, he was individually utterly terrible.

 

[Toshey]

Wtf is this.
"Super talent" Garnacho has scored 1 (one) out of his last 12 one on one vs the keeper.
Super talent Amad has been injured for so long it's bullshit to add him to this conversation.
Bruno has been the best player in the team.

Zirkzee looked much improved under Amorim than under ETH and scored a few despite missing chances.
Hojlund looks bad at football and like he would be late for everything.

Mount has been utterly shocking, a proper n7 scores at least one of his chances vs Bournemouth.

Amorim can only do so much. With xg of 8 in the last 3 games we've scored 1.
How are you still blaming Amorim?

 

[roseguy64]

We've made that mistake with ETH and paid a heavy price. Winning a cup competition, as significant as it is for us, isn't an indicator that a manager is doing well. You have to look at all our games and how we're progressing. No other top club in europe, would look at the results and say give him another year. This club is unique in its stupidity.

We won the FA Cup and sacked the manager because the club did badly everywhere else. Those kinds of standards for the club are gone now. Once we kept ETH on that was the death knell.

 

[Woziak]

Elite club?!

I almost spit my drink out. If that was comedy, A+ man.

It’s been over 10 years since we’ve been ran like a Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Barcelona, etc…Do you not understand the correlation between what the Glazers have done to this club and what you’ve been seeing on the pitch?

We all understand the cancer they’ve been to the club, but not everything that happens in the pitch is on them, they don’t pick the players and set up the team now do they?

 

[roseguy64]

Buying Matheus Cunha isn’t buying an “Amorim” player.

He isn't necessarily but he looks best as a player in Bruno's role in a 4-2-3-1. Would be wasted on the wing.

So spunking 60m on a player who'll be competing with our best player in a common formation if/when Amorim gets sacked and we have to shoehorn him up front or on the wing? I don't know about that.

 

[Telsim]

Failure to win the Europa League should, at the very least, result in exploring a future with Ancelotti. Not in small part due to the financial situation that would put the club in and the subsequent inability to bring players that fit Amorim's style. And Ancelotti is bound to get a lot more out of this squad.

 

[roseguy64]

Just stating INEOS are keeping him, clearly. Whether they incompotent or not is yet to be seen, their recruitment so far with Dorgu is looking dodgy

INEOS definitely seem incompetent to me so far. But we'll see if they can fix that.