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Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches
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Yes, you can’t really blame Amorim for the current predicament, that blame lies with the running of the club post Fergie. And the manager at least deserves some credit for for the way he’s dealt with the situation publicly.
Isn't the case every time someone gets sacked and a new manager comes in?
I personally think the idea this squad is of the level of 39 points over a season is the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
It was nice to see him enjoying the rub of the green for once because the last few games have been quite harsh on him in terms of results. We didn't become any wiser yesterday, though. Waiting to see the clash of the pertinacious ones in the Europa final. Who will blink first?
It definitely isn't. People who believe that are waffling. Our squad has issues, but it's not a squad that can only hit 39 points across a season.
Amorim absolutely needs to win the Europa League to salvage this season and earn some goodwill. 1 foot in the final. Hopefully we go on and win it.
I tried to post a balanced view and got a reply full of denial. I totally agree about our team selection; it could have cost us dearly. Amorim must stubbornly think they should be able to deal with the press, but it is a risk.
I think we were jammy feckers last night. 9 out of 10 times you don‘t get that penalty call, and Bilbao should have buried a few of their chances.
There was some good stuff as well, but Bilbao gave up soon after the red card.
I‘m sorry, but it is illogical to heavily criticize after a good performance in a game we didn‘t win and to praise without scrutiny after a game like yesterday.
United are capable of beating City/Liverpool/Arsenal on one day and losing comfortably to a Championship team the week after.
My heart is telling me we're in the Final. My head is telling me not to underestimate how easily we can collapse.
If Bilbao get an early goal this team is very capable of shi**ing the bed.
How were we jammy? We were 1-0 up before the penalty and the reason they went down to 10 men was because the defender stopped a goal scoring opportunity to go 2-0 down.
That is a clear penalty... they would be jammy if that was not given.
Did they have chances? yes but we had chances to finish the game 5-0 and completely have them buried.
You think you found a balance? Well, hooray for you. This place has been a sewer of negativity for too long. Was especially evident after the Leon game. People who love the club and — for all their imperfections— the team, were in here celebrating. Fine, go mutter in your beer, or try and play balanced journalistic pundit. But I’m excited for next season and the rest of this one. See, it’s not that hard to lighten up
It's Spurs. Never seen a club more allergic to trophies. Even sacked Jose before a final to make sure they don't win one.
I think it was a clear and obvious penalty, made no attempt for the ball just wanted to stop Hojlund getting it.
Same with the Garnacho one, should of been looked at, was exactly the same.
Our playing out from the back has been shocking for years, Ugarte is no Rodri on the ball, but is able to recycle possession, we just do not have enough players around him to cover for this, Casemiro is not the most press resistant player either, which is why majority of the balls were coming back, Lindelof can't pass wind and it certainly isn't Maguire's strength as even when he drives forward his pass goes backwards.
I think criticism is fair, when it's objective, when it's the same point being made regardless of context is when it is pathetic, Ruben has been poor, I like him and think he will take us forward, how far remains to be seen, but if he does leave we will be in a better position than when ETH left us.
Jammy? Every team has chances, otherwise it would be boring.
We were Jammy in 99 CL final then, Bayern hit woodwork and should of been out of sight.
Apart from our inability to play out, I thought we competed fairly evenly, we created the goal and red card from our football, so I don't know what your on about.
Surely no one believes we weren't?
The point I am making, teams will have chances, expecting us to sweep them aside and not create anything is ridiculous.
I think it's just that our players are maybe a bit quicker than these teams are used to? Leading to the fouls.
But credit to the team for getting into those situations. It's like when people say Liverpool have had too many penalties when Liverpool attack in the box for vast amounts of the game so it's more likely.
We did exceedingly well after 20-30 minutes, but let's not pretend this match couldn't have turned out entirely differently. We were second best in every department at the start, they were all over us. If they score, we might have crumbled under the pressure and atmosphere
But they didn't score and we didn't crumble and we scored 11 v 11.......
We scored in the first 10 minutes, but was offside so don't tell me we were under the cosh the whole time.
We created chances, but we were also our architect of there chances as we kept passing them the ball.
Why are you trying to create a scenario to justify a point?
Your last paragraph. Bilbao missed a couple huge chances.
I don‘t agree about the penalty call: if it was against us you‘d call it harsh. I think Højlund would not get to that ball, although it is impossible to know for sure.
Mostly, teams get away with these types of fouls.
I think what I am worried about, is that we can‘t come out of the blocks playing with composure. We go behind more often than not, and yesterday almost played out the same way.
We also failed to score from good chances after we were 3 up
against 10 men.
Still, I enjoyed the game and the mental stuff like Maguire putting in a cross like an elite winger makes me laugh my ass off. This team
If they score... but they didn't. We done well in the first 20/30 minutes as well.
Why do some fans make it seem as if they were all over us, shot after shot, when in fact it was us who were letting them at us.. with misplaced passing and giving away cheap possession. Even then, they had 2 chances on goal, we also had 1.. if I use your logic... IF Garnacho was onside... we go up 1-0 in the first 20 mins.
Instead, we managed to see out their good spell, which is what you expect away from home against a good team, scored a good goal and had a chance to make it 2-0 but they conceded the penalty.
Of course Bilbao looked good for the opening 25-30 mins. They're a good side and we're a bad side!
They've only lost twice at home all season in all competitions. They've got a great defence and some very good players. They were always going to start the game well , hyped up in front of their fans.
It makes our win all the more amazing. It's one of our best European wins ever I'd say.
They've only lost twice at home all season in all competitions. They've got a great defence and some very good players. They were always going to start the game well , hyped up in front of their fans.
It makes our win all the more amazing. It's one of our best European wins ever I'd say.
You blamed Amorim for Garnacho's finishing. Said he'd damaged his confidence.
Yeah possibly but I think a few of the decisions have been very favourable as well. That's a harsh red last night, the Lyon red was a poor decision.
I don’t care one bit because we were due some decisions and the roll of the ball.
I just think it's fair sometimes to accept luck or lack of it plays a part sometimes rather than doing a deep dive on tactics or what the manager did or didn't do.
The aftermath if Spurs beat us in the final will be horrendous - full strength team for the OT leg and manage that game, then rest everyone until the final.
Seeing what Amorim wants to do, I can't help think the key positions are actually 10 and CB in terms of our immediate recruitment.
Amorim seems to want at least one CM who is much more of a screen/interceptor than someone to play out through, but if you start Case + Ugarte in front of that back 3, due respect, but you aren't playing through a good press. So next season I think it is safe to assume Bruno will fully transition to a CM to somewhat alleviate that issue but it's the creativity from the CBs that is so key if we insist on playing with 3. We need someone far more technical in the RCB role, someone who can bring that flank into the game more then it gets used at the moment and also can play through press, that's likely why Maz is currently our best RCB (in my mind) even though he's not a CB and not great at longer passes.
At the moment, there's no real jeopardy for a team to commit the extra man forwards - only Martinez consistently can pass through a press or feed Garnacho/Hojlund into a channel - the rest of our team just don't have it in their locker bar, arguably Yoro, but he's still going to be quite raw for a while given his age. So you can simply block the WBs and get tight on the CMs and we have nothing else to offer.
Yesterday was one of the clearest penalties and red cards you'll probably see in Europe. Bizarre how people turn into Gary Neville to try and make it out like we were lucky.
Like no shit Bilbao were going to cause us problems, they were at home and are a quality team. We defended well and for once were actually clinical early on in the game. We even gave them a warning shot with the Garnacho offside goal. They simply defended badly and we took our chances.
One of our best European away performances in years. Yet some are still nitpicking. I'd hate watching football with some of you, think I'd probably jump out the nearest window to get away.
Like no shit Bilbao were going to cause us problems, they were at home and are a quality team. We defended well and for once were actually clinical early on in the game. We even gave them a warning shot with the Garnacho offside goal. They simply defended badly and we took our chances.
One of our best European away performances in years. Yet some are still nitpicking. I'd hate watching football with some of you, think I'd probably jump out the nearest window to get away.
Same here, I was getting genuinely nervous that we were just going to bin him and his staff off but the payoff figures were too high.
I've always been keen on him as he seems to be trying something different and despite the ropey performances the players don't seem to have quit, that comeback was just insane, as good as the 90s, imo.
It's been a rollercoaster though.
Let's not pretend there haven't been a number of matches this season where we started strong and didn't take our chances. That's football.
Agree on all.
Yeah for sure, said during the match the Bilbao fans got a dose of our recent match day experience
And Shaw
To a lesser extent but yes, not ideal both compete for the same spot and both have injury issues.
quite a few players have noticeably improved since he came in, I would say
Amad and Casemiro the two stand-outs for me, but Harry's playing better too
loads of issues to sort out, mind-you, but I have no issue with us giving him time to work on them
our biggest problem I think is the legacy of our confidence being absolutely fecked, so winning a competition could work wonders for that
Amad and Casemiro the two stand-outs for me, but Harry's playing better too
loads of issues to sort out, mind-you, but I have no issue with us giving him time to work on them
our biggest problem I think is the legacy of our confidence being absolutely fecked, so winning a competition could work wonders for that
Before the goal: Bilbao gave a lot of space to left wing and covered garnacho. Dorgu and whoever play left mf both careless with ball and slow to progress for no reason. Garnacho came to left side and game improved but that was after the goal. I felt he was slow to react to improve left side. over all utd have improved incrementally as season went on, would be interesting to see how this team is improved as in game management against better teams is the difference b/w win or loss
Being daft again I see.
You linked Garnacho's lack of goals to Amorim arriving in November. When I asked are you really blaming Amorim for Garnacho's finishing you said:
That would be blaming the manager for individual mistakes.
I know after couple of brilliant results it's tougher to stick by this hard-line anti Amorim stance. The good results don't necessarily mean you're wrong either to be fair.
But you can't be pretending you haven't said what you've said.
for those of us that have been taking the bad results with the relevant context in mind, it’s just as annoying seeing you lot moan after literally every bad result. So I agree with his point, flip flopping from one result to the next doesn’t exactly show much bigger picture thinking, just pure reactionary nonsense to each individual game.
My advice, and has always been my advice, is to let him have time to get this squad into shape the way he wants - both system and personnel alike. If he still fails at that point then he’s fair game.
I said confidence is extremely important for players, do you disagree with that statement?
I don’t think we’ve had a couple of brilliant results have we?
As someone who was viciously Ten Hag out for almost a year before he actually got sacked, it's interesting to see that same sort of vitriol for a newer manager that hasn't even had a single season or window yet (with a worse squad especially in attack)
No, he has improved nobody according to half the forum.
I’m not flip flopping at all, nor are many other I see. For me as much as with players I’ll say when I think they are doing well or when they are in poor form.
Amorim has been absolutely terrible in the league but as I’ve maintained all along, I absolutely wouldn’t sack him, and he can get himself more leeway by winning this trophy.
After being excited by his appointment and I still think he seems a charismatic and extremely likeable guy, I’ve seen plenty of ups (big games) and too many downs already. And I think he’s made some really daft mistakes.
This has been my take for a long while and last night doesn’t change it….
I’ve also argued for months that I believe his determination to play two defensive fullbaks, and way too often even ahead of playing Amad there despite his impressive performances at WB, have hampered us massively in the smaller games.
I personally still believe that the key to us getting better instantly in smaller games, is to play much braver, with at the very least one winger at WB.
My other gripes were fecking off Antony before trying him at WB and his treatment of Cas, not least because of how shite we were at defending set pieces. Felt we wasted a feck tonne of time there trying stupidly to freeze out our best CM. No surprise that since he reintroduction, our set pieces in both boxes have improved immeasurably.
He was me on Cas whilst he was frozen out…
So yeah, some mistakes that I believe have been unnecessary and that have cost us. I’ve called that just as I absolutely believe he’s made us much much better in big games.
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This is all well and good but fans like to be proven right... so saying "he isn't good enough " gives those fans a chance to say told you so and I knew he wouldn't succeed..
Context does not matter as they look at the media stats of how badly we are doing and get wound up.
What vitriol?