What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

Woziak said:
If my wish comes true, Man United fans will be partying for half a decade, Oblak is the guy, for me top 3 GK in the world, massive unit and a leader, plus he’s the right age we need leaders, Frimpong counts as HG, played for Wilcox’s Youth team at City and has the elite pace we are lacking at wing back, he immediately upgrades the team so much so I don’t have any issues Dalot playing less and being used on the left as well, less games less fatigue he’ll get back to last seasons form.

As for Wharton being too expensive at £60m, if we got him for that price, that would be a bargain, he’s going to be an absolute Monster in 2/3 years.

Current front three are awful, current attacking options are awful, I don’t care who we get anyone of 50 players would be a huge upgrade if we signed Rayan Cherki, Cunha and V Gykores, I’d also take Brian Mbeumo, Mateta and Grealish, I’d happily take Dibbing, De lap and Morgan Rogers, I’d definitely be happy with Semenyo, D Wellbeck and MGW.

We are supposed to to be the biggest club in England and only Amad and Bruno would probably get into the PL top 10 team starting line ups, that’s a travesty of how this club been run in the last 12 years!
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My worry with this wish list is that it's wishing for more than we can afford. Maybe INEOS are being coy, as it should, with what they claim to have in the transfer warchest but I doubt we will have the warchest for we really need to do to return to the top four.

And then there is all the uncertainty with Rashford, Sancho and Antony. I just don't see buyers for either Rashford or Sancho. As for Antony, Amorim might want him back. I don't see any buyers for Onana.

That's the pessimistic take, but probably a reality take. And if that's where we are this summer then I would go all in on a proper striker -- Cunha -- and a wingback, Frimpong.

With a few stratefic additions rather than a wholesale rebuild of the squad, I really do think we could be competitive next season. By no means dominant, but competitive to the point where we should be able to put clubs like Bournemouth and Spurs to bed even if we continue to struggle against Liverpool and City. However, and I realize this is the subject of another thread, Amorim has to be more flexible with his tactics for us to have any chance of becoming a top four club again.
 
daba said:
That is the kinda summer we need if we want to make genuine strides back to the top 4 and above.

If we win the EL then I wouldnt say any of those targets are completely unrealistic, but getting them all in a single window probably is hahah. Even if there were some concessions eg. Roger Fernandes instead of Frimpong, Joan Garcia instead of Oblak, Delap instead of Gyokeres.

J.Garcia - 20m
R.Fernandes - 25m
A.Wharton - 70m (i think he'll cost more than 60)
M.Cunha - 60m
R.Delap - 30m
R.Cherki - 30m

That would still be a crazy good summer, albeit with a few less proven players, but it would give Amorim everything he needs for next year.
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Swap Cherki for Brian Mbeumo and we would be a very strong team again, even if Delap takes time to settle in, imagine Zirkzee with Cunha and Mbeumo either side, now we are talking!
 
lex talionis said:
My worry with this wish list is that it's wishing for more than we can afford. Maybe INEOS are being coy, as it should, with what they claim to have in the transfer warchest but I doubt we will have the warchest for we really need to do to return to the top four.

And then there is all the uncertainty with Rashford, Sancho and Antony. I just don't see buyers for either Rashford or Sancho. As for Antony, Amorim might want him back. I don't see any buyers for Onana.

That's the pessimistic take, but probably a reality take. And if that's where we are this summer then I would go all in on a proper striker -- Cunha -- and a wingback, Frimpong.

With a few stratefic additions rather than a wholesale rebuild of the squad, I really do think we could be competitive next season. By no means dominant, but competitive to the point where we should be able to put clubs like Bournemouth and Spurs to bed even if we continue to struggle against Liverpool and City. However, and I realize this is the subject of another thread, Amorim has to be more flexible with his tactics for us to have any chance of becoming a top four club again.
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Solid post and I agree we need to sell well to really improve the squad, get Mbeumo and Cunha and I’m happy boy, both PL proven both capable of 20 PL goals, really like Mbeumo if we can get for £50m
 
Incredible how we're being linked to so many players.

All the same sources saying we have to sell to buy, yet hardly anything links to our players.

It's bullshit, or course, we have money to spend, it just would be more if we could sell some of the players surplus to requirements.
 
Apparently Juventus is willing to sell Douglas Luiz for €40m. Would be a much better deal than spending £50m on Ederson, no? Also EPL-proven. He's got some grit that reminds me of Cunha, too. The two would be a great pair of signing. What do you think?
 
aeh1991 said:
Apparently Juventus is willing to sell Douglas Luiz for €40m. Would be a much better deal than spending £50m on Ederson, no? Also EPL-proven. He's got some grit that reminds me of Cunha, too. The two would be a great pair of signing. What do you think?
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The bulk of our money needs to go on the striker and an upgrade on Garnacho.
 
aeh1991 said:
Apparently Juventus is willing to sell Douglas Luiz for €40m. Would be a much better deal than spending £50m on Ederson, no? Also EPL-proven. He's got some grit that reminds me of Cunha, too. The two would be a great pair of signing. What do you think?
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Juventus want to get rid of him, he’s had various muscle injuries and can’t get in the team, not a chance they get 40 million
 
GK
Yoro CB Heaven
Diallo CM Ugarte LWB
Bruno Cunha
CF
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Only six players needed if we are being serious.

GK - Doesn’t need to be a big money but, just a solid tall keeper will do for now.
CB - Needs to be a fast athletic player to allow a higher line.
CM - An athletic distributor
LWB - A fast attacking wing back who can create chances
CF - A proven goal scorer is paramount
 
Woziak said:
Solid post and I agree we need to sell well to really improve the squad, get Mbeumo and Cunha and I’m happy boy, both PL proven both capable of 20 PL goals, really like Mbeumo if we can get for £50m
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Do you think pens are padding his stats and making him look better than he actually is?
 
  1. New keeper will bring trust and stability to the back 3. Hope we get someone dependable if not flashy.
  2. Striker is gonna be pivotal to our progress. In front of Cunha and Bruno there will be ample opportunity.
  3. Controlling midfielder. A steady head with good technique and passing range. Someone to make us tick.
 
Top_Bins said:
  1. New keeper will bring trust and stability to the back 3. Hope we get someone dependable if not flashy.
  2. Striker is gonna be pivotal to our progress. In front of Cunha and Bruno there will be ample opportunity.
  3. Controlling midfielder. A steady head with good technique and passing range. Someone to make us tick.
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Need better wing backs if we’re going to stick with this formation.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
GK
Yoro CB Heaven
Diallo CM Ugarte LWB
Bruno Cunha
CF
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Only six players needed if we are being serious.

GK - Doesn’t need to be a big money but, just a solid tall keeper will do for now.
CB - Needs to be a fast athletic player to allow a higher line.
CM - An athletic distributor
LWB - A fast attacking wing back who can create chances
CF - A proven goal scorer is paramount
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I find it odd that you think Heaven is good enough but De Ligt with Maguire as backup isn't. I'd say that's one of our strongest positions.
 
Flying high said:
I find it odd that you think Heaven is good enough but De Ligt with Maguire as backup isn't. I'd say that's one of our strongest positions.
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I’m looking towards the future (except Bruno), and I want more pace at the back than either of those two offer. Happy for one to be a bench option, and that would probably De Ligt as this will be a good (possibly last time) time to sell Maguire.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
GK
Yoro CB Heaven
Diallo CM Ugarte LWB
Bruno Cunha
CF
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Only six players needed if we are being serious.

GK - Doesn’t need to be a big money but, just a solid tall keeper will do for now.
CB - Needs to be a fast athletic player to allow a higher line.
CM - An athletic distributor
LWB - A fast attacking wing back who can create chances
CF - A proven goal scorer is paramount
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We just signed dorgu who is young. Give him a chance.
 
Why do you act like Cunha is already our player? Remember the RWB from Sporting er thought was already our player?
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
I’m looking towards the future (except Bruno), and I want more pace at the back than either of those two offer. Happy for one to be a bench option, and that would probably De Ligt as this will be a good (possibly last time) time to sell Maguire.
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De Ligt is absolutely top drawer, fecking ”bench option” :lol:
He’s our best defender.
 
daba said:
That is the kinda summer we need if we want to make genuine strides back to the top 4 and above.

If we win the EL then I wouldnt say any of those targets are completely unrealistic, but getting them all in a single window probably is hahah. Even if there were some concessions eg. Roger Fernandes instead of Frimpong, Joan Garcia instead of Oblak, Delap instead of Gyokeres.

J.Garcia - 20m
R.Fernandes - 25m
A.Wharton - 70m (i think he'll cost more than 60)
M.Cunha - 60m
R.Delap - 30m
R.Cherki - 30m

That would still be a crazy good summer, albeit with a few less proven players, but it would give Amorim everything he needs for next year.
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Don't know mate - know his throw ins are a good weapon to have in the armoury but not sure I'd be paying 30mn for Rory Delap.
 
aeh1991 said:
Apparently Juventus is willing to sell Douglas Luiz for €40m. Would be a much better deal than spending £50m on Ederson, no? Also EPL-proven. He's got some grit that reminds me of Cunha, too. The two would be a great pair of signing. What do you think?
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You make it sound like they'd be doing us a favour at that price. €40mn for a player that never stood out as being anyway above average at midfield duties and will be 27 year old in the new season would be a terrible use of resources given he's essentially failed at Juve (5 full 90s this season).
Ollie Derbyshire said:
GK
Yoro CB Heaven
Diallo CM Ugarte LWB
Bruno Cunha
CF
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Only six players needed if we are being serious.

GK - Doesn’t need to be a big money but, just a solid tall keeper will do for now.
CB - Needs to be a fast athletic player to allow a higher line.
CM - An athletic distributor
LWB - A fast attacking wing back who can create chances
CF - A proven goal scorer is paramount
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I'm always surprised how many people have Ugarte in their fantasy XIs. In my opinion, he's one of our main problems and I think the biggest gains we can make in terms of league position would come from replacing our midfield. If I could get Wharton and Baleba for €150mn, I'd spend it all there and find stop gaps for the other positions we need with a combination of youth, free transfers and other bargains bin deals such as the Heaven one.
 
Bojan Djordjic said:
You make it sound like they'd be doing us a favour at that price. €40mn for a player that never stood out as being anyway above average at midfield duties and will be 27 year old in the new season would be a terrible use of resources given he's essentially failed at Juve (5 full 90s this season).

I'm always surprised how many people have Ugarte in their fantasy XIs. In my opinion, he's one of our main problems and I think the biggest gains we can make in terms of league position would come from replacing our midfield. If I could get Wharton and Baleba for €150mn, I'd spend it all there and find stop gaps for the other positions we need with a combination of youth, free transfers and other bargains bin deals such as the Heaven one.
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My view of Ugarte is that he can be great in this system, however we need better outlets at Left and Right WB and progressive wide CBs to make it work. This allows Ugarte to keep his responsibilities simple in possession and focus on recycling the ball.

I've enjoyed seeing Yoro's development this year and how he has become more comfortable with both his passing and carrying of the ball. With ideally a fit Martinez on the other other side, this would give good progression on both sides of the back 3. Amad at RWB (instead of Dalot/Mazraoui) would be ideal to help with this too and hopefully Dorgu/Amass will develop in this regard to provide similar on the left.

I recommend watching this tactical analysis video from a couple years ago from when Amorim had Ugarte at Sporting. Interestingly Amorim paired Ugarte with Pedro Goncalves who was basically directly filled Bruno's shoes when he left Sporting, with a very similar level of creative and goal scoring responsibility in the side.



That being said, I would be all for signing Wharton (or Baleba although I do prefer Wharton) as I think he could pair nicely with either Ugarte or Bruno.
 
Through most of the Fergie era you'd have said our attacking options were the best in the league pretty much every season. Maybe by the end of the Fergie era it was getting a bit more level but we still had RVP, Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez, Nani, Valencia and Young when Fergie retired. They weren't all brilliant but they'd all chip in at times through the season and were good players.

Every time we've "rebuilt" the squad it's got worse and we can't really deny that and unless the new ownership fix that and start to identify talented players who can also handle the mental pressure that comes with being a Utd player nothing will change.

This summer in the attack I think Utd have got to buy at least 2 players who are 25-30 who are experienced and know how to play their position to a high standard. Take the pressure off the kids like Amad, Hojlund, Zirkzee and Garnacho who are still learning and put the pressure on some more experienced players to deliver.
 
croadyman said:
Do you think pens are padding his stats and making him look better than he actually is?
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Possibly but imagine Mazroui, Amad, Mbeumo right side that would have an incredibly high football IQ and cook?
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
I’m looking towards the future (except Bruno), and I want more pace at the back than either of those two offer. Happy for one to be a bench option, and that would probably De Ligt as this will be a good (possibly last time) time to sell Maguire.
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I for one have criticised MDL but having watched him live at Old Trafford he’s deceptively quicker than most on here think, I was shocked which is why RA sometimes plays Him at RCB and Harry at CB. I also think we are perfectly served for next season with all our CB’s.
lex talionis said:
My worry with this wish list is that it's wishing for more than we can afford. Maybe INEOS are being coy, as it should, with what they claim to have in the transfer warchest but I doubt we will have the warchest for we really need to do to return to the top four.

And then there is all the uncertainty with Rashford, Sancho and Antony. I just don't see buyers for either Rashford or Sancho. As for Antony, Amorim might want him back. I don't see any buyers for Onana.

That's the pessimistic take, but probably a reality take. And if that's where we are this summer then I would go all in on a proper striker -- Cunha -- and a wingback, Frimpong.

With a few stratefic additions rather than a wholesale rebuild of the squad, I really do think we could be competitive next season. By no means dominant, but competitive to the point where we should be able to put clubs like Bournemouth and Spurs to bed even if we continue to struggle against Liverpool and City. However, and I realize this is the subject of another thread, Amorim has to be more flexible with his tactics for us to have any chance of becoming a top four club again.
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We got 4 points from City this season, they really are not what most fans think they are anymore and they might be starting next season on -30 points?

We have Harry, MDL, Mazroui, Lenny, Aiden, Shaw and Martinez back in November/December we should look for another young Left footed CB under 20.
 
Bojan Djordjic said:
You make it sound like they'd be doing us a favour at that price. €40mn for a player that never stood out as being anyway above average at midfield duties and will be 27 year old in the new season would be a terrible use of resources given he's essentially failed at Juve (5 full 90s this season).

I'm always surprised how many people have Ugarte in their fantasy XIs. In my opinion, he's one of our main problems and I think the biggest gains we can make in terms of league position would come from replacing our midfield. If I could get Wharton and Baleba for €150mn, I'd spend it all there and find stop gaps for the other positions we need with a combination of youth, free transfers and other bargains bin deals such as the Heaven one.
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Ugarte would be the next to upgrade for sure, I think he could plug a hole for a couple of seasons though.
 
Woziak said:
I for one have criticised MDL but having watched him live at Old Trafford he’s deceptively quicker than most on here think, I was shocked which is why RA sometimes plays Him at RCB and Harry at CB. I also think we are perfectly served for next season with all our CB’s.

We got 4 points from City this season, they really are not what most fans think they are anymore and they might be starting next season on -30 points?

We have Harry, MDL, Mazroui, Lenny, Aiden, Shaw and Martinez back in November/December we should look for another young Left footed CB under 20.
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Good to hear and if that’s the case then a back three of Yoro/MDL/Heaven may be enough, obviously depending on how Yoro & Heaven develop. Ugarte or alternative CDM can slip into a back four during games allowing the WBs to push high up the pitch.
 
We need pre season training at a bootcamp in Dagestan. The weakest - both mentally and physically - set of players Ive ever seen at united. We are absolutely terrified and being bullied...by Brentford. Again.
 
Hopefully not the worst case with De Ligt that, but could be a situation where 2 of our back 3 have torn ACLs going into next season which is really horrible luck
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Agree that this is likely, but how is it that we blow our load on a new expensive CB every summer and yet our defense never improves?
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I think you can say our defence has definitely improved this season. Just a shame with the injuries to Yoro and de Light.
 
If we win the Europa, it'll likely be Cunha, Gyokeres/delap, a RWB and a CM

If we don't, likely just Cunha and delap

Honestly, if we don't win the Europa we don't even have enough games in the season for such a big squad. The likes of Ugarte, case, mainoo, toby and Bruno is good enough for CM.
 
We should sign Olivier Boscagli. He's been a standout CB in Eredivisie and out of contract this summer. Not the tallest with 1.81, but a good, ball playing LCB. Would be ideal to play there until Martinez returns.
 
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