Bryan Mbeumo | Improved offer not actually placed yet (Ducker) | United confident they can close the deal

Also, thinking logically even if we had won the EL final, we were still going to be the same team that finished 15th in the league. Any sensible person would know we aren't realistically going to go far in the CL next season. So I find this narrative that players would have chosen us if we had CL weird.

Even if he goes to Newcastle, I don't think he'd be going expecting to win the CL with them next season and there's a fair chance they don't qualify the season after. I highly doubt any agent would be pushing his player to choose his next club solely based on who is in next year's CL.

Sure, if it's a genuine title contender like City or Liverpool who you know will likely be there or there abouts over the next few seasons then makes sense to give them priority. But I don't buy anyone would be choosing between the likes of Newcastle or Man Utd based on who has CL in a given year. It will be about the long term project.

How about richest club in the world versus most in debt club in the world?

It sucks but we really are not that desirable at all anymore.

Such a fall from grace.
 
How about richest club in the world versus most in debt club in the world?

It sucks but we really are not that desirable at all anymore.

Such a fall from grace.
That's a fair enough reason. There are many reasons for choosing Newcastle but I don't think CL is one of those.
 
Think I’m quite sold on this one. Entering his prime (turning 26 next month), multiple years of premier league experience and he’s had good output at Brentford (4g/7a, 9/8, 9/6 in the premier league) and took it up a notch this season (20g/7a). Good physical profile. Barely any injury history (missed a three months in the 23/24 season with an ankle injury - that’s really it). Seems exactly the type of player we should be looking for - athletic, not injury-prone, premier league proven, showing measurable improvement and in the 24-26 y/o age bracket.
 
So, where does he play in this system? Had his success mainly as the right forward in a 4-3-3, right sided 10 I would assume?

Not as convinced by Mbeumo as with Cunha I have to say, good player, but I think Amad would have a higher ceiling.
 
So, where does he play in this system? Had his success mainly as the right forward in a 4-3-3, right sided 10 I would assume?

Not as convinced by Mbeumo as with Cunha I have to say, good player, but I think Amad would have a higher ceiling.

Imagine having both of them!
 
So, where does he play in this system? Had his success mainly as the right forward in a 4-3-3, right sided 10 I would assume?

Not as convinced by Mbeumo as with Cunha I have to say, good player, but I think Amad would have a higher ceiling.
Amad has a higher ceiling but both can be very threatening as combinations on that right flank. Both like to turn on their left foot and cause issues.

Only drawback for me is they're both quite short.
 
So, where does he play in this system? Had his success mainly as the right forward in a 4-3-3, right sided 10 I would assume?

Not as convinced by Mbeumo as with Cunha I have to say, good player, but I think Amad would have a higher ceiling.
Amad has looked great as our rwb, so I'd be happy to see him there.
 
Amad has a higher ceiling but both can be very threatening as combinations on that right flank. Both like to turn on their left foot and cause issues.

Only drawback for me is they're both quite short.

I think Mbeumo maybe lacks the top end pace you would like, good athlete overall though, and is also a bit sloppier on the ball than ideal, but he does look for the creative option which will mean give-aways. Good player coming off a great season, hopefully I am wrong and if he does come he is ready to take another step forward.

Amad has looked great as our rwb, so I'd be happy to see him there.

A waste for me, will inevitably be targeted defensively if it become his full time position.
 
Which is probably true, but the fact the majority of the time Amorim has played Dalot or Mazraoui over Amad at RWB. He also didn't play Antony there either. Which suggests Amorim favours defensive players in that role.
At Sporting he started off playing more defensive fullbacks there as he implemented his style, but slowly transitioned to one and then I believe both wingbacks being more of an attacking winger. It's pretty much certain he intends to do the same here on at least one side (if not both) so the question is whether it'll be this coming season or in another 12 months. Also whether it'll be Amad who is the one chosen to play that role or somebody else.

In regards to Amad, we were in a situation where he was both our best RWB and our best R10. So him being mostly chosen in the latter this season doesn't necessarily mean that's Amorim's long term plan (our midfield being quite weak may also have played it's part in Amorim being a bit more conservative). If the Mbeumo links are legit, and especially if we also strengthen our midfield, it definitely looks like Amorim is intending to use Amad at RWB on a regular basis. That doesn't mean it'll happen every game, and indeed over the course of the season I'd expect Mbeumo, Amad and Dalot to rotate quite a lot between those two positions.
 
Amad has looked great as our rwb, so I'd be happy to see him there.

same yeah and we kinda need him and other creative outlets deeper to make the likes of Cunha and Mbeuno even viable in my opinion

what use will it be to spend 100m on 10s if we can't get the ball to them quickly? If Bruno is gone than that problem is exponentially bigger next season

I love Amad at rwb anyway, and I think he's a great option at 10 too in the right game, but having both of them is in no way a problem at all
 
I think Mbeumo maybe lacks the top end pace you would like, good athlete overall though, and is also a bit sloppier on the ball than ideal, but he does look for the creative option which will mean give-aways. Good player coming off a great season, hopefully I am wrong and if he does come he is ready to take another step forward.



A waste for me, will inevitably be targeted defensively if it become his full time position.
He's the second fastest player measured this season
 
We need to be quick on this one other clubs are interested and the longer it goes the more money Brentford will probably demand…..I’m also a bit cautious if Frank goes to Spurs he could easily become a target.

I think he’s the perfect player for this system his goal threat, work rate and all round play for 50m we won’t get better.
 
I think Mbeumo maybe lacks the top end pace you would like, good athlete overall though, and is also a bit sloppier on the ball than ideal, but he does look for the creative option which will mean give-aways. Good player coming off a great season, hopefully I am wrong and if he does come he is ready to take another step forward.



A waste for me, will inevitably be targeted defensively if it become his full time position.
Mbeumo is fecking rapid.
 
So, where does he play in this system? Had his success mainly as the right forward in a 4-3-3, right sided 10 I would assume?

Not as convinced by Mbeumo as with Cunha I have to say, good player, but I think Amad would have a higher ceiling.
Amad has reached his level. Decent player but he'll never be a world beater. Get any upgrade we can.
 
You definitely can.

Sancho money + Alvarez add on fee + Delap funds

& selling Rashford & Antony
Who’s this Alvarez I see being mentioned here and there? Do you mean Alvaro Carreras?

Anyway, I doubt we’d buy all three (£180m+) before we’ve actually seen some sales happen. So far nothing is indicating we’ll get sales done early in the window if it isn’t Bruno. Everyone knows we need sales, so if we aren’t able to get some competition going any buyer is going to get an increasingly better bargaining position by just waiting it out.
 
There is some speculation that Real want him and we can buy him back and sell him for a profit
That would be Alvaro Carreras then, and not Alvarez. Yes, we’ve got a sell-on clause and that story seems to have legs. Wonder if they will want to push it through before the Club World Cup.
 
There is some speculation that Real want him and we can buy him back and sell him for a profit

I don’t think anyone serious was speculating that. We have a sell on clause so will be due some money if Benfica sell him to Madrid or anyone else.
 

PL fastest players 24/25​

PlayerTop speed (km/h)
Micky van de Ven (TOT)37.1
Matheus Nunes (MCI)36.7
Bryan Mbeumo (BRE)36.6
Yankuba Minteh (BHA)36.4
Anthony Elanga (NFO)36.2

God damn, Van De Ven is insane. If he can save his hamstrings from those sprints, he'd be some defender.
 
Think I’m quite sold on this one. Entering his prime (turning 26 next month), multiple years of premier league experience and he’s had good output at Brentford (4g/7a, 9/8, 9/6 in the premier league) and took it up a notch this season (20g/7a). Good physical profile. Barely any injury history (missed a three months in the 23/24 season with an ankle injury - that’s really it). Seems exactly the type of player we should be looking for - athletic, not injury-prone, premier league proven, showing measurable improvement and in the 24-26 y/o age bracket.
Agree with this. We signed Sancho and Antony from other leagues. They turned out to be terrible signings. Both up there with our worst ever. If we could replace them with, Cunha and Mbeumo, that we know can cut it in the PL, then for me, that shows we have learned from our mistakes in the past. Mbeumo would be a very good signing. Think it will happen too.
 
Bryan Mbuemo doesn't have top level pace and Amad Diallo will never be anything better than a decent player.

That is enough caf for this week :)
 
I desperately want. Him and Cunha as the 2 10's is the dream, with Amad in the RWB.
 
I think thats rubbish. Most players want to play at the top level and that means in CL. They want to be competing for trophies. United used to pay silly money to get players here and how did that work out? They also see United as a career killer at this point. Need to take the red tinted glasses off.
You called my post "rubbish", and then you essentially wrote what I said. You sure you read my post?

Again, of course players care about playing in the UCL. But the care even more about money. You disagree with that? How many players do you think are taking a paycut to play for Chelsea then?

And I completely agree that we shouldn't overpay players and they probably see United as a poor landing spot at the moment. Where did you get the idea I didn't? I'm more realistic than most on here I think. My point was someone like Cunha probably joined us for money, not bc he believed in our "project". And personally, I'm pretty skeptical of the Cunha signing for an number of reasons.