Debatable... by whom? You? Like your opinion counts for anything.
Collecting a bunch of meaningless posts and presenting them as evidence doesn't do you any favours. Fortunately for most of us our eyes are working fine and our brains are able to make a decision that requires little more than a second to process entirely.
Gimme a break, it's your thread ffs. ... If you cant be bothered to read the posts in your own thread I'm not going to read them for you ... your a muppet and a WUM (I see straight through you).
In a nutshell ... you're wrong.
Meaningless posts? They're from Arsenal fans, who have seen Henry play week in and week out. Why is their opinion less valid than yours? You asked for more evidence that he's past his best - the opinions of some of those who've see him play the most is a legitimate part of such evidence.
"Massive decline" are your words, not mine.
His 'niggling injuries' have been dragging on in fits and starts for a fair while now - it's not just a single on-off incident
Not 'making or breaking', I agree, but pace is one of his major attributes - he has a little less now than before ... age catches up with all of us. I don't see why you insist on being in state of denial about this.
Bollocks.
I'm glad that's your opinion because hopefully it will mean you'll stop sending your absurd arguments and sneering comments in my direction.
They could be intelligent posters.. they may also be completely bitter muppets for all I know. Henry is not best loved round these parts and I think the views of United fans who couldn't really give two flying figs either way are more likely to be grounded in reason than those of either a Spur or Arse supporter, if I'm honest.
You could do the same with Ruud before he left us, it doesn't invalidate the players' quality nor does it have any bearing on what he will go on to do in the future. Now, when Carrick fecked off many a Spur were 'suddenly' saying he's overrated and shite and so on.. emotional attachments aren't the best way to form balanced opinions...
You infer it in your every post. You back it up with nothing.
Henry was overdue a rest for at least two years. He had been moaning about a lack of rest for a long time before he broke down. His injuries are all related to fatigue, fatigue which he does not have now... and even at his worst he was two league goals behind Berbatov in nearly half the amount of games...
Erm... I have made it clear that even if Henry lost 10% of his pace he would be far quicker than most of his fellow professionals. And pace hasn't been a major factor in his game for a while, by his own standards he had become lazy, but more clinical and precise. This pace myth was all people used to say about Giggs and then he moved into the middle of the pitch and shut them all up by proving to be a class footballer with a brain far quicker than almost all his fellow pros. Henry thinks and sees the game and opportunities far quicker than most. It's not his pace that makes him at all.
We've got a live one.
Well, at least that's an improvement on calling their views 'meaningless'.
I've inferred nothing. In plain English I've said he's past his best - nothing more, nothing less. That does not equate to 'massive decline'. His being past his best - but still a great player - is backed up by the last couple of seasons, as many, many Arsenal fans have said long before the transfer to Barca. You want to dismiss their views and give various reasons like 'tiredness' etc - fine, that's your perogative.
You keep harping on about these 10 goals. I'll simply repeat that Berby scored 23 goals and made 15 assists. You may wish to dismiss this as a fluke, or explain it away in some other way .. I don't know, that's up to you.
I assume then that you agree he's lost at least some pace? And you say he'd become more lazy. Even if that's balanced against his now (supposedly) being more clinical and precise, loss of some pace and laziness, not to mention moaning, complaining and putting down his team-mates, doesn't exactly paint a picture of a striker who is still at his peak.
Berbatov is far more than simply an 'above average player'. He is one of the best 3 strikers in the Prem - he's amazingly good.
You think Berbatov is better than Henry right now ... fair enough. When I asked you why did Barca go in for him then ... you ignored me. When someone else said why didn't any top clubs go in for Berba ... you ignored them.
Word ...I've seen some delusional Spurs fans before but this one takes the piss. Berbatov has half a decent season and this guy reckons he is one the best strikers in the world. That guy is so over-rated it isn't true, the top strikers in this league are Drogba and Rooney.
His stats don't even hold up that well to Henry even though Henry missed most of the season injured and when he did play he played through injuries yet he is now a better player.
Why don't we let him get two good seasons under his belt before we start comparing him to a person who has 7 years (if we don't include last season) of brilliance behind him?
Another interesting thing is if a bid of around £25mill comes in Spurs WILL sell him to Man utd, yet Man utd seem to be more willing to pay around that much on Tevez and go through all these MSI, premier league and West Ham problems rather than completing a nice and simple move for Berbatov. That says a lot right there. If Berbatov is better than Henry then why are Barca bothering with signing him when they can pay a bit more (for a better player according to some muppets here) or why is Milan, R.Madrid, Inter not interested either? It is because he isn't that good at this moment, if he was they would of taken him of Spurs because he would jump at the chance to play CL footy. He played in the CL final for Leverkusen against R.Madrid, he would be lucky to play in a UEFA cup final for Spurs.
Make Henry play with Spurs midfielders such as Jenas, Tainio, Huddlestone, Zokora, etc. He would score less than ten league goals even if he has an injury-free season. You are overlooking how crap Spurs midfielders are.His stats don't even hold up that well to Henry even though Henry missed most of the season injured and when he did play he played through injuries yet he is now a better player.
I was going to say the same thing about Giggs, time will tell how well Henry copes with a loss of pace, but he has shown me enough in his time here in the prem to make me think that he'll do fine.
Retarded comment, by that reasoning Keane, Defoe and Mido are around the same quality then ... they finished 1 point behind there points tally for the previous season ... without Berba the magnificent.
At that time, they had Carrick.
So the drop in midfield quality from the loss of Carrick = The increase in attack quality from signing Berbatov?
Ok spoons, will do ...
Please show me this decline by goals, assists to game ratio. I think you'll find you're talking nonsense.. Henry's game is simply changing, his output remains the same.
Goals outside the league don't mean much. Henry doesn't ever play in the Uefa Cup, and how many games did Henry even get to play in the cups? Next to naught, if I remember rightly.
Henry's current standard is by far and away superior to Berbatov's. That is all that matters.
Darren Bent scored 13 goals playing in a team that got relegated. He also played about half the league games Berbatov did. In fact, four players whose teams finished below Spurs outscored Berbatov.
Yes, more or less. In the first half of their season, their central midfield were near non-existent. Zokora was struggling with the new league, Zenas was injured all the time, and Huddlestone who fickle Spurs fans equated with Hoddle for three weeks was obviously not ready to take Carrick's role. And their
I think the post above yours pretty much told you ...
He is. Plenty of people agree with that assessment.
Yet another poster who hasn't read (or pretends not to have read) the start of this thread. The question was, not who is the better striker, but who would make the better signing now, taking into account age, proneness to injury, attitude etc etc.
I quite agree, if you're talking about overall record so far and looking backwards. But that's not what this thread is about - it's about the here and now and looking forward, which is what any sane manager would do in deciding which player would now make the better signing.
Yeah yeah, we've heard it all before, since January in fact .. it still ain't happened and it never will this summer because Spurs have made it very clear that he's not for sale. In any case, Spurs have already rejected higher bids than 25m for Berbatov.
If it says anything, it says that United realised weeks and weeks ago that Berbatov was not on offer, so moved on to the 2nd best available option.
Clubs can't buy a player who isn't actually for sale - a basic rule of the market and not a difficult concept to grasp.
Funny that, I thought Henry jumped ship because he wanted the chance to win the CL and obviously didn't fancy his chances with a declining Arsenal side whose main hopes these days are to scrape 4th place in the league and whose hopes of ever winning as many European trophies as Spurs seem to have fallen by the wayside.
This relates precisely to the question posed by me at the start of this thread - who would make the better signing if a manager had the choice.
The problem here is that you're so used to Henry being imperious that even an injury hit season (where he's still producing) is seen as not good enough...
So how many of these scored 23 goals and got 15 assists (nearly a goal or an assist on average for every single game he started right across the season)?
!!What's that I see underneath your username? "Winner of the 'Most pompous arrogant pretentious Gooner" ?
